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Re: Suso
« Reply #360 on: March 9, 2018, 09:34:00 am »
Bit poop isn't he

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Re: Suso
« Reply #361 on: March 9, 2018, 01:57:21 pm »
Bit poop isn't he
He's very predictable. A one trick pony, really.

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Re: Suso
« Reply #362 on: March 9, 2018, 02:34:28 pm »
He's very predictable. A one trick pony, really.

Pretty much, good luck to the lad in Italy etc but no chance he would have done it here

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Re: Suso
« Reply #363 on: March 9, 2018, 04:19:29 pm »
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Re: Suso
« Reply #364 on: March 12, 2018, 05:21:33 pm »
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Re: Suso
« Reply #365 on: May 20, 2018, 10:18:17 pm »
Apparently he’s spoke in the media about wanting an Anfield return

Even under the wizard that is Jurgen Klopp I don’t think he’d make the grade. Seems to have found his level at Milan and the league suits his style of play...

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Re: Suso
« Reply #366 on: May 21, 2018, 02:55:53 am »
Apparently he’s spoke in the media about wanting an Anfield return

Even under the wizard that is Jurgen Klopp I don’t think he’d make the grade. Seems to have found his level at Milan and the league suits his style of play...

Suso is an interesting one. If you believe that Coutinho didn't really fit our system and that it functions better now with 4 players who do, then Suso would basically be a left-footed Coutinho, who is nowhere near the level Coutinho was.

But, he is home grown/club trained, which has a value in terms of squad depth. Just cannot imagine he would want to go somewhere that he would be a depth player. If it was a low fee and he was happy to be there for depth, maybe. But even then I think Woodburn will eventually pass him as he has far more developed tactical side of his game already.
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Re: Suso
« Reply #367 on: May 21, 2018, 03:22:49 am »
Suso is an interesting one. If you believe that Coutinho didn't really fit our system and that it functions better now with 4 players who do, then Suso would basically be a left-footed Coutinho, who is nowhere near the level Coutinho was.

But, he is home grown/club trained, which has a value in terms of squad depth. Just cannot imagine he would want to go somewhere that he would be a depth player. If it was a low fee and he was happy to be there for depth, maybe. But even then I think Woodburn will eventually pass him as he has far more developed tactical side of his game already.

I still get the feeling his game is more suited to being a centre mid.

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Re: Suso
« Reply #368 on: May 21, 2018, 03:33:07 am »
Should have inserted a buyback clause.

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Re: Suso
« Reply #369 on: May 21, 2018, 03:43:11 am »
Should have inserted a buyback clause.

He negotiated a bosman with Milan, then we negotiated a fee to release him 6months early. We had no leverage at all ready to insert any clause. Not that it is a valid excuse. At the same time we were lining up an almost club record bid for Benteke so they probably would have set the buy back clause at 800m if it was left up to them. :D
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Re: Suso
« Reply #370 on: May 21, 2018, 05:05:20 am »
Always liked Suso, he has done brilliant work in Italy. For the fee i believe he is a steal, and Jurgan could work his magic on Suso and make him as good as the oxe. a no brainer get him back, could be immense
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Re: Suso
« Reply #371 on: May 21, 2018, 05:31:24 am »
He's not fast enough to play in a Klopp team. Italy or France suits him. He wouldn't have the time in England to play as well as he does in Italy.
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Re: Suso
« Reply #372 on: May 21, 2018, 07:24:48 pm »
He's not fast enough to play in a Klopp team. Italy or France suits him. He wouldn't have the time in England to play as well as he does in Italy.
Aye, he suits Italy. Same with Luis Alberto, seen cargo ships turn faster than him in the Mersey.
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« Reply #373 on: May 22, 2018, 02:20:03 pm »
Always liked Suso, he has done brilliant work in Italy. For the fee i believe he is a steal, and Jurgan could work his magic on Suso and make him as good as the oxe. a no brainer get him back, could be immense

Very much the one that got away.

I suppose there's one at every club. He's not quite our Salah or De Bruyne.
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Re: Suso
« Reply #374 on: May 22, 2018, 02:30:00 pm »
Very much the one that got away.

I suppose there's one at every club. He's not quite our Salah or De Bruyne.

Literally not in the slightest, unless you changed manager to accommodate him. He wouldn’t make it through a half under Klopp
 
I’d say this applies much more to Luis Alberto though better suited he’d also would struggle putting in the yards

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Re: Suso
« Reply #375 on: May 23, 2018, 06:11:33 am »
Alberto and Aspas are good players. Just not suited for the Premier League. A lot of Spanish players aren't.

Suso showed enough promise and was unlucky.
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Re: Suso
« Reply #376 on: May 23, 2018, 12:09:24 pm »
Alberto and Aspas are good players. Just not suited for the Premier League. A lot of Spanish players aren't.

Suso showed enough promise and was unlucky.

All three of them are good players. The most unlucky was probably Alberto, given the need for freshness in midfield it was a shame he didn't play more.

The three of them probably aren't suited to the league, and certainly aren't to Klopp. But I think Alberto is the most likely to succeed, were he to be in the PL right now

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Re: Suso
« Reply #377 on: May 23, 2018, 12:10:05 pm »
All three are good players but just not suited to this league. It happens.
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Re: Suso
« Reply #378 on: May 23, 2018, 01:16:19 pm »
Alberto moved slower than a tectonic plate
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Re: Suso
« Reply #379 on: May 23, 2018, 01:21:23 pm »
Poor man's Coutinho. He's alright, nothing more nothing less.

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Re: Suso
« Reply #380 on: May 23, 2018, 02:16:21 pm »
I'm not so sure there is such a thing as 'not suited to this league.' I mean, how so? Because he's slow? What, slower than Charlie Adam? Or because he isn't strong? What, less strong than David Silva? In fact that latter is a case in point of someone you'd say 'wasn't suited to this league' until they turn out to be fucking brilliant in it. Morientes. Now there's a player who was clearly suited to the Prem. He'd never have made it in Spain with his style of play. Nor Llorente...

Sure, homesickness is a thing. Sure, failure to adapt is a thing. But they're not connected to 'type'. What is connected to 'type' is the role you play the player in. Crouch would have done great for a Spanish team who'd played to his strengths. David Silva would have been shit if someone had try to play him as a traditional winger or ten or attacking midfielder.

Maybe Suso, Aspas and Alberto had huge problems with homesickness. I don't know. But what is very clear is that none were ever used in a way that would have helped them to succeed.

Aspas, playing in Firmino's role, could have been excellent. He was never going to thrive if used as a classic No 9 or as a wide player, least of all if only given a couple of minutes here and there.

Alberto could have done a very interesting job as a riquelme-style 10 or something like an Alonso style CM. But we'll never know, because he was never tried in those roles, and never given the time to shine anyway.

Same goes for Suso - he had some promising cameos for Rafa being played in the kind of roles he excels at now. I mean, as it happens I agree - we've moved on now and either have better players in those roles (Aspas and Suso), or no need for the roles those players excel at (Alberto) but that doesn't mean they couldn't succeed in this league. More that no-one succeeds unless they have a role that suits their skillset and the time to prove themselves. Zidane wouldn't have succeeded if he'd only been given 10 minutes here and there as a centre-forward, no matter what league he was in.
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Re: Suso
« Reply #381 on: May 23, 2018, 02:39:50 pm »
I'm not so sure there is such a thing as 'not suited to this league.' I mean, how so?

Level of pressure: some leagues have a culture of dropping off on transition, and getting a shape from box to box, but not in between, which affords creative players more time and space to play their game, but also affords creative players less defensive responsibility

Speed of Transition: added to that, some leagues have a hurly-burly approach to transition, where a lot more long balls are played, a lot more clearances, and a lot more counter-presses and counter-attacks, which means the ball is more or less in constant transition. This favours the athlete over the technician, as it requires a LOT more defensive responsibility from all attackers

Physical Contact: some leagues have strict refereeing where every contact that is less than 50/50 in anyone's favour is a foul, whereas others (England, Scotland, for example) have looser refereeing where contact is expected and only the most serious of fouls will get called. That's why we see a difference in European and PL refereeing. This, of course, disadvantages the less-physical players, and rewards the stronger athletes - whereas continental refereeing would favour the technician and nullify the pure athlete.

Climate: A colder climate favours quick transition football with a lot of running, leaving less time for the creative players to express themselves, unless they can express themselves at high speed. Hotter climates favour a slower pace of game, with more possession and less transitions, which allow the creative technicians to express their abilities - it would also dis-favour the athletes, as they would be out of gas after 20 minutes of running at full tilt in a hot climate.

So there are actual factors that go into how a player plays in different cultures. Those four above are probably the main ones.
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« Reply #382 on: May 25, 2018, 04:08:02 pm »
Level of pressure: some leagues have a culture of dropping off on transition, and getting a shape from box to box, but not in between, which affords creative players more time and space to play their game, but also affords creative players less defensive responsibility

Speed of Transition: added to that, some leagues have a hurly-burly approach to transition, where a lot more long balls are played, a lot more clearances, and a lot more counter-presses and counter-attacks, which means the ball is more or less in constant transition. This favours the athlete over the technician, as it requires a LOT more defensive responsibility from all attackers

Physical Contact: some leagues have strict refereeing where every contact that is less than 50/50 in anyone's favour is a foul, whereas others (England, Scotland, for example) have looser refereeing where contact is expected and only the most serious of fouls will get called. That's why we see a difference in European and PL refereeing. This, of course, disadvantages the less-physical players, and rewards the stronger athletes - whereas continental refereeing would favour the technician and nullify the pure athlete.

Climate: A colder climate favours quick transition football with a lot of running, leaving less time for the creative players to express themselves, unless they can express themselves at high speed. Hotter climates favour a slower pace of game, with more possession and less transitions, which allow the creative technicians to express their abilities - it would also dis-favour the athletes, as they would be out of gas after 20 minutes of running at full tilt in a hot climate.

So there are actual factors that go into how a player plays in different cultures. Those four above are probably the main ones.
Good points, for sure. We play more football in shittier conditions, refs are definitely weaker.

Perhaps the examples referenced consistently showed that they were bottling the weather in terms of training/reserves, but you'd still need to be given a fair shout in a role that suits you in order to shine, right?

I think there's also a point to be made in terms of the pressure/refs/physical contact that, actually, it doesn't always favour the biggest. It definitely favours the bravest, though. I mean look at someone like Silva, again, or lower down the leagues, a lovely player who used to play for my local team Dulwich Hamlet, a guy called Erhun Oztumer. 5'2" tall, tiny and not stocky at all - but with perfect balance, great touch and the heart of a lion. He took the kicks, and actually was often able to avoid them - which ends up with some burly twat of a player flat on their arse, and with a guy like Erhun a level of time and space that they would never, ever get in a league like Italy or Spain where, actually, defenders don't tend to rashly overcommit and thus miss the ball and you completely.

Very good answers, like, very good indeed. Definitely massive factors that need to be considered when making a transfer.
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Re: Suso
« Reply #383 on: October 1, 2018, 01:18:51 pm »
Scored a good goal on the weekend https://youtu.be/8zRM09_9XTY?t=123

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« Reply #384 on: October 12, 2018, 12:45:58 pm »
Involved in all four goals for Spain v Wales last night at the Principality. Hit the bar as well.

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« Reply #385 on: October 13, 2018, 03:33:23 pm »
Has the most assists in Europe top leagues so far this season, not doing too badly.

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« Reply #386 on: October 14, 2018, 10:43:42 am »
Has the most assists in Europe top leagues so far this season, not doing too badly.

Just read this piece on the Daily Telegraph website. Suso doesn't even get a mention  :o

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/10/13/luis-enrique-has-got-spain-believing/

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Re: Suso
« Reply #387 on: October 14, 2018, 01:42:19 pm »
Just read this piece on the Daily Telegraph website. Suso doesn't even get a mention  :o

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/10/13/luis-enrique-has-got-spain-believing/
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« Reply #388 on: October 14, 2018, 01:51:07 pm »
Noone watches Serie A, do they

I've only taken a vague interest in it since Lucas moved to Lazio, so I guess you're right.


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« Reply #389 on: October 30, 2018, 09:49:56 am »
Suso has been incredible this season one of the in form players in the world currently 7 assists and 3 goals in 10 games and only Messi and Silva have created more chances(in open play) in the big leagues.
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« Reply #390 on: November 4, 2018, 10:08:07 pm »
Suso has been incredible this season one of the in form players in the world currently 7 assists and 3 goals in 10 games and only Messi and Silva have created more chances(in open play) in the big leagues.
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« Reply #391 on: November 4, 2018, 11:27:33 pm »
Good luck to him for making good - but he won't be back at Anfield playing for us in my opinion.

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« Reply #392 on: November 6, 2018, 02:32:41 pm »
Ran the show tonight. They are raving about him in Italy.

Just spotted his goal, yet another cracker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpqXJuy4e1Y

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« Reply #393 on: November 6, 2018, 04:39:43 pm »
Just spotted his goal, yet another cracker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpqXJuy4e1Y

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« Reply #394 on: November 8, 2018, 09:50:52 pm »
Just spotted his goal, yet another cracker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpqXJuy4e1Y
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Re: Suso
« Reply #395 on: November 9, 2018, 07:50:37 pm »
He seems to fit a similar player profile to Fekir so no reason not to consider him if he has a low release clause.
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« Reply #396 on: November 9, 2018, 07:56:45 pm »
He seems to fit a similar player profile to Fekir so no reason not to consider him if he has a low release clause.

No reason at all apart from him being slow and out attacking game relying heavily on pace.
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« Reply #397 on: November 10, 2018, 10:34:53 am »
We're not re-signing Suso
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« Reply #398 on: November 10, 2018, 10:37:33 am »
Could see him ending up at Chelsea

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Re: Suso
« Reply #399 on: November 10, 2018, 10:42:49 am »

Pace goals man, pace goals is where it's at. :)

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