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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #440 on: February 6, 2016, 04:12:21 pm »
Not a statistics player

Who needs statistics when you've captained your country to a world cup. Scored the greatest world cup goal in history. Scored the most controversial world cup goal in history. Scored them both in the same match and against England no less. That pretty much trumps all other statistics

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #441 on: February 6, 2016, 04:24:47 pm »
Best ever for me.
Yup, he's the top guy.  Sheer footballing charisma - dragged his side to a World Cup, nearly did it again, and would have had a bloody good go at doing it again if it wasn't for those pesky narcs.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #442 on: February 6, 2016, 04:47:17 pm »
Yup, he's the top guy.  Sheer footballing charisma - dragged his side to a World Cup, nearly did it again, and would have had a bloody good go at doing it again if it wasn't for those pesky narcs.

He probably wasn't the only one who was on the Charlie in the late 80's and early 90's. I reckon loads of the top pro's were fond of the odd dabble here and there. There's no way Maradona was the only one.

I reckon he became a target the moment he slotted that penalty against Italy in the semi final and knocked them out of Italia 90

Bear in mind Italy were the host nation, and Maradona was (at that time) playing for an Italian club


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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #443 on: February 6, 2016, 10:16:16 pm »
Bear in mind Italy were the host nation, and Maradona was (at that time) playing for an Italian club
Maradona even went as far as to ask Neapolitans to support him and Argentina for that match. Did not go down well! http://www.nytimes.com/1990/07/03/sports/world-cup-90-naples-loves-maradona-but-loves-italy-more.html 

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #444 on: February 6, 2016, 10:25:05 pm »
We may sign Salah, but I'll show my arse in the middle of town if we sign one of VVD or Keita. Not gonna happen.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #445 on: February 6, 2016, 11:49:40 pm »
Maradona even went as far as to ask Neapolitans to support him and Argentina for that match. Did not go down well! http://www.nytimes.com/1990/07/03/sports/world-cup-90-naples-loves-maradona-but-loves-italy-more.html 


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Its come back to me now. They were on the West German kit at Italia 90 right?
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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #446 on: February 7, 2016, 03:37:58 am »
I think I'll start a thread "Figo - Just a tanned James Milner"

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #447 on: February 7, 2016, 07:11:09 am »
The most skilful player I have ever seen, even though he was very one footed. Won the World Cup in a good, but not great Arg side (almost did it again 4 years later), and lead Napoli to the title twice over a legendary AC Milan team.

Messi is a great player, and may have better stats and more trophies, but Maradona was the most influential player of all time.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #448 on: February 7, 2016, 08:50:08 am »
The most skilful player I have ever seen

His ball control is unmatched in the history of football.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #449 on: February 7, 2016, 10:22:14 am »
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a25llkHkpOw

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #450 on: February 7, 2016, 03:40:39 pm »
What now?

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #451 on: February 7, 2016, 06:50:59 pm »


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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #452 on: February 7, 2016, 06:59:55 pm »
I was wondering where I'd seen those stripes in your avatar before

Its come back to me now. They were on the West German kit at Italia 90 right?
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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #453 on: February 7, 2016, 07:16:54 pm »
One of a kind. The best player ever. Before football lost its soul.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #454 on: February 7, 2016, 07:31:24 pm »
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a25llkHkpOw

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I've said it before without doubt the greatest player ever
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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #455 on: February 7, 2016, 08:00:06 pm »
If we didn't have as much media coverage as we do now messi will be held higher.

Plus cause we over see the players and good goals we easily forget about how good they are.
In 70s/80s people maybe see. Replay of a goal once and talked it up more and it made folklore.

Saying all that maradona did it in all leagues and cup competition. Messi needs to win the World Cup to get to maradonas level.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #456 on: February 7, 2016, 10:40:31 pm »
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a25llkHkpOw

I really enjoyed watching that

As brilliant as Messi and Ronaldo are, I think it's worth pointing out that they're playing in an era where players of their ilk are afforded much more protection than Maradona ever got. Sure, both of them get "kicked" from time to time, but its nowhere near the type of abuse that Maradona was subjected to.

That's why he's the greatest ever IMO. He had a phenomenal ability to ride through tackles, that were, in essence, violent attempts to maim him. He took it all in his stride. Literally.



 
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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #457 on: February 7, 2016, 10:50:22 pm »
I really enjoyed watching that

As brilliant as Messi and Ronaldo are, I think it's worth pointing out that they're playing in an era where players of their ilk are afforded much more protection than Maradona ever got. Sure, both of them get "kicked" from time to time, but its nowhere near the type of abuse that Maradona was subjected to.

That's why he's the greatest ever IMO. He had a phenomenal ability to ride through tackles, that were, in essence, violent attempts to maim him. He took it all in his stride. Literally.



 

there is also the massive difference in conditioning, preparation, etc.....people often talk about putting players in the same era and seeing what happens....really you need to put a player in the same era and see how they would have done had they grown up at the same time, had the same opportunities, challenges etc.

maradona, in my opinion, would have excelled in any era, and would have been talked about as the best whenever he played, the more modern technical and fitter game would have suited him due to his strength and technical nous on the pitch

weirdly, I can see see how maradona and pele would be lined up as messi and Ronaldo, but I thnk that is unfair to pele.....his legacy does tend to get ignored the longer time goes by....I do think he would excel in any era too, and only he can challenge maradona for me....and pele could take a good kicking too!!!!
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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #458 on: February 7, 2016, 11:03:46 pm »
Maradona was one of the players who could make it look simple. A few players have that ability. I recall the expectations were extreme, right from 1982. Remember I was a bit disappointed he didn't run in circles around everyone. I thought he would. And then, four years later, he did. Was never a favorite for me. He was the one I loved to hate. It wasn't until he became the coach for Argentina that I began to like him. And then primarily for his comments to the press once they qualifield for the 2010 WC. So extremely not OK, but honest. His freekicks in training were quite something too.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #459 on: February 7, 2016, 11:08:42 pm »
I really enjoyed watching that

As brilliant as Messi and Ronaldo are, I think it's worth pointing out that they're playing in an era where players of their ilk are afforded much more protection than Maradona ever got. Sure, both of them get "kicked" from time to time, but its nowhere near the type of abuse that Maradona was subjected to.

That's why he's the greatest ever IMO. He had a phenomenal ability to ride through tackles, that were, in essence, violent attempts to maim him. He took it all in his stride. Literally.
 

Every era has its challenges. Maradona managed to be ahead of the rest. Every great player does.

What Messi and Ronaldo do these days is remarkable. Ten years from now, people will find ways to say the competition wasn't that good, so they had it easy. But they are outstanding.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #460 on: February 7, 2016, 11:56:52 pm »
Every era has its challenges. Maradona managed to be ahead of the rest. Every great player does.

What Messi and Ronaldo do these days is remarkable. Ten years from now, people will find ways to say the competition wasn't that good, so they had it easy. But they are outstanding.

What challenges do modern players have to contend with that can anyway to compare to football in late 50s, 60s and 70s when Pele was playing? I don’t think you can really compare; for that reason I think it's almost pointless to compare players from different eras especially when comparing players playing today to players who were playing all the way back in the 60s. 
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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #461 on: February 8, 2016, 12:25:39 am »
What challenges do modern players have to contend with that can anyway to compare to football in late 50s, 60s and 70s when Pele was playing? I don’t think you can really compare; for that reason I think it's almost pointless to compare players from different eras especially when comparing players playing today to players who were playing all the way back in the 60s. 

Players are taking care of themselves more. Training and rehab is better. There's video to help educate and train players. So you are facing better opponents overall. Agree though that it's pointless to compare. Hence why I said every era has its own challenges.

Maradona was outstanding in his era. Just like the great ones are.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #462 on: February 8, 2016, 12:58:00 am »
Messi needs to win the World Cup to get to maradonas level.

No, he doesn't. Cruyff never won one and is at a similar level, if not higher to Maradona in my opinion. Cruyff also has had a much greater influence on how football has been played in the past twenty-five years than Maradona has.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #463 on: February 8, 2016, 01:51:27 am »
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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #464 on: February 8, 2016, 05:49:32 am »
No, he doesn't. Cruyff never won one and is at a similar level, if not higher to Maradona in my opinion. Cruyff also has had a much greater influence on how football has been played in the past twenty-five years than Maradona has.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #465 on: February 8, 2016, 07:30:22 am »
The one player who comes close to being compared to Maradona in this era that I have watched, is not Messi. Its Suarez. I am talking about the way they play and their attitude towards football.

Messi scores goals (Maybe compared to Pele). Suarez scores goals with a bit of romanticism attached to it like Maradona.
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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #466 on: February 8, 2016, 10:35:47 am »
Every era has its challenges. Maradona managed to be ahead of the rest. Every great player does.

What Messi and Ronaldo do these days is remarkable. Ten years from now, people will find ways to say the competition wasn't that good, so they had it easy. But they are outstanding.

Ronaldo isn't in the same bracket as Maradona and Messi.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #467 on: February 8, 2016, 10:38:08 am »
No, he doesn't. Cruyff never won one and is at a similar level, if not higher to Maradona in my opinion. Cruyff also has had a much greater influence on how football has been played in the past twenty-five years than Maradona has.

You're talking about his influence, playing wise he falls behind Messi Maradona and Pele imo, not as if i saw the majority of them play though, but theres a host of great footballers who would fall behind those three, while being arguably nearly as good, Cruyff is one, Platini another as is Cristiano.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #468 on: February 8, 2016, 03:56:41 pm »
Possibly the best thread title on the site.

The one player who comes close to being compared to Maradona in this era that I have watched, is not Messi. Its Suarez. I am talking about the way they play and their attitude towards football.

Messi scores goals (Maybe compared to Pele). Suarez scores goals with a bit of romanticism attached to it like Maradona.

Maradona was fucking boss. For my money, the best player to ever to lace up a pair footy boots. Had it all. Kicked all over the shop, yet still got up and tore the arses out of the opposition. Modern day comparisons are notoriously futile... However, it's like having Messi's skills allied with Suarez's attitude, gnarliness and absolute will to win. A perfect combination. A proper street footballer. If, as Shanks said, football is ballet for the masses, then Maradona was the Rudolf Nureyev of the game.

Btw, if I could have any player in the history of football at his absolute peak playing for us right now, it would Diego Maradona. You'd still be able to keep that back four and Mignolet too! And to think, he nearly went to Sheffield United.
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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #469 on: February 8, 2016, 04:01:30 pm »
One of a kind. The best player ever. Before football lost its soul.
Correct me if I'm wrong but was football, especially Italian football not even more corrupt back then?
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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #470 on: February 8, 2016, 08:17:43 pm »
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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #471 on: February 8, 2016, 08:47:23 pm »
Correct me if I'm wrong but was football, especially Italian football not even more corrupt back then?

Oh..weeeelll...It was a more soulful type of corruption.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #472 on: February 8, 2016, 10:46:53 pm »
Correct me if I'm wrong but was football, especially Italian football not even more corrupt back then?

but that was when we expected Italians to be bent...you don't see anyone going over with 2-0 leads in european competitions and getting turned over 3-0 any more

today's corruption is much more seamless and starts at the entry point to the game
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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #474 on: February 9, 2016, 12:40:32 am »
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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #475 on: February 9, 2016, 01:58:52 am »
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« Reply #476 on: February 9, 2016, 02:42:08 am »
Love this photo - oh , the irony  ;D

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #477 on: February 9, 2016, 02:46:21 am »
Seriously though , the best ever for me - or at least that I saw play at the time .

In my favourites along with Kenny, Barnes , Zico and Platini .

Suarez was the closest to Maradona I've seen since for sheer will to win and brilliance .

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #478 on: February 9, 2016, 03:18:19 pm »
Maradona looks great in those videos, but you could make superb videos for Messi, too. Riding hard tackles? Messi has done it for years, too.

Messi is on a clear decline, and at times, he can push himself to be back at his best, but he cannot do it every game now. He doesn't go past players as easily as he used to, he is becoming more of a passer and finisher. He is still world's best, but watch him 4-5 years ago, he was going past players EVERY game. He was great at everything, and he did it consistently.

One last thing, those who think tackling and defending was better back in those days should just watch 4-5 games in a row from that era. Say 4-5 league matches of Napoli back to back. That may change your opinion on modern vs past football.

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Re: Maradona - Why the fuss?
« Reply #479 on: February 9, 2016, 03:55:52 pm »
Riding hard tackles? Messi has done it for years, too.

Not those sort of tackles.  Agree that tackling is completely different now and defenders are way more considered and diligent - back then they just used to fly straight in.
Sit down, shock is better taken with bent knees.