Topic: Draft Towers

[JordanTremenderson]

If you need someone as you're struggling for numbers, I'll do that draft, but consider me a back up for the time being. In all honesty I'd be more interested in a draft that is a bit tougher or more exclusionary, as in PL all time but you maybe get allocated teams out of  seeded pots then must compose your team out of those, with perhaps minimum of two but maximum of 3 players from each team, minimum 100 PL apps (not necessarily for that team).

I'm happy to go with that instead if the majority prefer.

Would be nice to just get the drafting and discussion going again.

I feel more people might prefer a simpler one, but I'm up for either.

[Crosby Nick]

Ok I’ll do it.

Not picking any Mancs though, don’t care if it costs me votes from ‘reasonable’ people.

[JordanTremenderson]

Anyone down for just a simple Premier League All Time Draft?

It's been done before clearly, but who cares.  Now certain players are big hitters (Salah, Van Dijk etc).

It's simple, little thinking & half the fun is just to do something which gets chat flowing.

Would be nice to get the drafting back going again.

If it's too simple for you, no worries.  If enough fancy it, I'll get it started.

Let me know, thanks.

Keen:

JordanTre
Hazell
Max_Powers
Sheer Magnetism
Fucking Appalled
Linudden
Big Dick Nick

Maybes:

Xabi Art?
Lastrador?
Drinks Sangria?

Decent start...

Who else?

[Drinks Sangria]

Keen:

JordanTre
Hazell
Max_Powers
Sheer Magnetism
Fucking Appalled
Linudden
Big Dick Nick

Maybes:

Xabi Art?
Lastrador?
Drinks Sangria?

Decent start...

Who else?

I will join. It's a shame to see some good draft ideas like Linudden's not garner enough sign ups, so let's get the ball rolling and start drafting again.

[Hazell]

I will join. It's a shame to see some good draft ideas like Linudden's not garner enough sign ups, so let's get the ball rolling and start drafting again.

I think that would be a good idea for the next draft

[Sarge]

Go on then.

[JordanTremenderson]

Updated list.

Keen:

1. JordanTre
2. Hazell
3. Max_Powers
4. Sheer Magnetism
5. Fucking Appalled
6. Linudden
7. Big Dick Nick
8. Adz LFC
9. Drinks Sangria
10. Sarge
11. vivabobbygraham

Maybes:

Xabi Art?
Lastrador?
Tubby

[tubby]

Put me down as a maybe.

[Crosby Nick]

Put me down as a maybe.

You big tease.

[vivabobbygraham]

I'll have a go I think

[vivabobbygraham]

I haven't slaughtered lobo for ages

[Sarge]

Put me down as a maybe.

Maybe we will.

[El Lobo]

I haven't slaughtered lobo for ages

Thats certainly true

[JordanTremenderson]

Updated list.

Keen:

1. JordanTre
2. Hazell
3. Max_Powers
4. Sheer Magnetism
5. Fucking Appalled
6. Linudden
7. Big Dick Nick
8. Adz LFC
9. Drinks Sangria
10. Sarge
11. vivabobbygraham

Maybes:

Xabi Art?
Lastrador?
Tubby

Anymore?

[Lastrador]

Yep, let's do it.

[JordanTremenderson]

Any ideas on a little twist we can do for the PL draft?

Not sure anyone can be arsed to researched the amount of games players played.

But a little twist would be nice don't we think?

[Hazell]

I guess for me the only thing would be whether we'll be voting based on their time in the Premier League or their overall careers. My thoughts would be voting based on their time in the Premier League only.

[Lastrador]

Any ideas on a little twist we can do for the PL draft?

Not sure anyone can be arsed to researched the amount of games players played.

But a little twist would be nice don't we think?

The Sangria idea looked pretty cool.

[Betty Blue]

Thanks for the invite. I want to join, but I shouldn't    I'm on draft leave until the new year.

If you want a small twist, you could make it so you can only pick a player from each club once and then you judge that player on that club alone. So you pick Fowler for Liverpool, and no more Liverpool players for you. But you could pick Barnes at Newcastle (please don't).

[JordanTremenderson]

If you need someone as you're struggling for numbers, I'll do that draft, but consider me a back up for the time being. In all honesty I'd be more interested in a draft that is a bit tougher or more exclusionary, as in PL all time but you maybe get allocated teams out of  seeded pots then must compose your team out of those, with perhaps minimum of two but maximum of 3 players from each team, minimum 100 PL apps (not necessarily for that team).

So for example, you'd draw 4 teams, and you draw let's say Liverpool (Pot One), Aston Villa (Pot Two), Derby County (Pot Three) and Oldham Athletic (Pot 4). Still would operate as a draft, so for example, whoever had pulled Man City at random could take James Milner as their pick, which would exclude the Liverpool, Leeds, Newcastle and Villa managers from having him etc.

They have to have represented the team in the Premier League, so no Wayne Rooney as a Derby player for example, despite him having over 100 PL apps.

Pots would be dependent on historical PL performance but be somewhat ridiculous like some of UEFA's pots, so if you've won the PL, you're pot one, regardless if you're now a mediocre Championship side like Blackburn (however, this would likely need to be revisited and bulked out as there would maybe be more drafters than Pot One Teams etc). Villa are former European Champions but would be pot two, they don't have enough pedigree between 1992/3 and present. Sides like Barnsley, Oldham, Bradford and Wimbledon etc would be your pot 4 groupings. Randomised draw.

Your team then might look something like:


                      Dwight Yorke
                        (AVFC)
 Stefano Eranio                              Mo Salah
    (Derby)                                       (LFC) 
          Neil Redfearn     Steven Gerrard
            (Oldham)               (LFC)
                        Gareth Barry
                          (AVFC) 

Tony Dorigo                         Jakob Laursen
  (Derby)                                  (Derby)
                     VVD        Paul McGrath
                    (LFC)          (AVFC)
                      Paul Gerrard
                        (Oldham)

An idea. Might be a lot fiddlier than Jordan's cleaner and clearer PL draft. One thing I'm in agreement with though is that the draft part of the forum may be the absolute best area for discussions of players. My thinking is that it would be impossible to have a stacked team, and even though you might have a Gerrard or a Salah as above, you're also scrimping round to find Oldham's greatest ever PL goalkeeper, which might not be saying much. You may have Ronaldo, Keane and Vidic, but you'd have to balance that with Jan Aage Fjortoft, John Moncur and Kevin Horlock etc.

I like this idea, but maybe get rid of the 100 PL apps part?

[JordanTremenderson]

Thanks for the invite. I want to join, but I shouldn't   I'm on draft leave until the new year.

If you want a small twist, you could make it so you can only pick a player from each club once and then you judge that player on that club alone. So you pick Fowler for Liverpool, and no more Liverpool players for you. But you could pick Barnes at Newcastle (please don't).

So you're in then! 

I like that twist too.

[Lawnmowerman]

sorry mate i'll pass. My sebatical will not end till samie gets off his sulking stool and gives us all a big hug

[Sarge]

Any ideas on a little twist we can do for the PL draft?

Not sure anyone can be arsed to researched the amount of games players played.

But a little twist would be nice don't we think?

Pick one club they played for and go on that, at least 50 games in the PL, only 2 from same country.

[Linudden]

If one per club I think they should be judged on their whole careers otherwise it can get quite fuzzy. For example, when voting, someone might have a predisposed bias towards Mendieta being a world beater and not the Middlesbrough one.

[Hazell]

Start this tonight instead of worrying about how long some of our players will be out for?

[Elzar]

Thanks for the invite. I want to join, but I shouldn't    I'm on draft leave until the new year.

If you want a small twist, you could make it so you can only pick a player from each club once and then you judge that player on that club alone. So you pick Fowler for Liverpool, and no more Liverpool players for you. But you could pick Barnes at Newcastle (please don't).

Unfortunately we all know it never happens like that in voting.

I think doing one player per club would still work well though, just to force people to step outside comfort a tiny bit.

[Crosby Nick]

One per club is fine. But just as an example (and I won’t be doing it), could you select Yorke and Cole and pick them as Villa and Newcastle players?

[Hazell]

Yeah I think so, would allow for some shithousery tactics, which is always fun.

[Linudden]

Just make sure you judge players based on their primes no matter where that was and I think it will work just fine. Best call it "Played in the Premier League draft" for that purpose in my opinion. Sure, that means the likes of Hierro slip in but I think it's a small price to pay.

[Elzar]

Just make sure you judge players based on their primes no matter where that was and I think it will work just fine. Best call it "Played in the Premier League draft" for that purpose in my opinion. Sure, that means the likes of Hierro slip in but I think it's a small price to pay.

Someone could probably put together an absolute shithouse of a team that were completely average in the Premier league, but great players in the game.

[Linudden]

Well, at least make it for their full Premier League/pre-1992 English club careers as a bare minimum.

[Sarge]

And nominate the club in the post

[JordanTremenderson]

One per team sounds good to me.

I don't mind if the players are judged in the PL or their prime, as long as it is clarified at the start (prime I think is my preference)

Do we think we can get anymore or do we just start?

[Linudden]

I think you could open the thread up and then see if there are any sign-ups and then start picking tomorrow if you ask me Then go for one per club.

[Lastrador]

When was the last time we did an all-time English league draft? It seems we always focus on the Premier League era, but there are some brilliant players of yesteryears that never get picked because of it.

[Linudden]

Problem with the older draft picks is that they don't win votes since time increases and many haven't seen them play so if there are fresh ones available those players are at a perennial disadvantage. Hell, even the early 90s is a long time ago at this point.

I'm too young to be able to really accurately judge whoever played for Forest in the 70s and Everton in the 80s and all that, hands up

At least one per team will force drafters to think outside the box a bit.

[Lastrador]

We do all time drafts all the time with picks from the '60s, '70s and '80s, so I don't know if that's entirely the case. Maybe a nice twist would be to have one player that didn't play in the Premier League era? just throwing it out there.

[JordanTremenderson]

I think you could open the thread up and then see if there are any sign-ups and then start picking tomorrow if you ask me Then go for one per club.

Threads up.

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=349639.new#new

[tubby]

Having an appearance threshold of something like 100 PL appearances would make it more interesting and stop cheesyish picks like Gullit, Maicon, Blanc and youngsters like Foden who shouldn't be in all time PL drafts.

[Sarge]

A draft were someone else picks your player but, you pick their one back. Be careful who you pick for your oppisition