Topic: European homes

[anitrella]

Can anyone get in the queue??

No I can’t, it’s still showing Arsenal for me

[Max100]

That was easy...

[cmccarthy81]

Was there anyone on yesterday's sale with an idea of availability for tomor?

I've got a mate looking for a tkt, and assume it will be a low take up - but you never know with people looking towards the new year fixture.

[Danny Boy]

If i want to send my Porto ticket back to the club how do I do this? I don't want to distribute it to a friend.

Thanks

[scouser102002]

If i want to send my Porto ticket back to the club how do I do this? I don't want to distribute it to a friend.

Thanks

https://ticketing.liverpoolfc.com/CrmDetails.aspx#eSRO_Crm_PersonalDetails

Click on the link for ticket exchange

[30fiver]

If i want to send my Porto ticket back to the club how do I do this? I don't want to distribute it to a friend.

Thanks

FYI - you wont be able to buy the next rounds

[30fiver]

If i want to send my Porto ticket back to the club how do I do this? I don't want to distribute it to a friend.

Thanks

https://ticketing.liverpoolfc.com/CrmDetails.aspx#eSRO_Crm_PersonalDetails

Click on the link for ticket exchange

Oh, and ticket exchange isnt open for cup games... (for the reason i listed above and people dont realise) so you'd have to contact the club for a cancellation or sell it online

[pallemus]

If you sell your autocup ticket back to the club, I think you loose autocup for the remaining games this season

[scouser102002]

If you sell your autocup ticket back to the club, I think you loose autocup for the remaining games this season

But you don’t if you pass it on to a friend?

Makes sense

[Danny Boy]

If you sell your autocup ticket back to the club, I think you loose autocup for the remaining games this season

I'm in CL ACS. Thanks for clarifying, I didn't realise that.

[ScubaSteve]

But you don’t if you pass it on to a friend?

Makes sense

I can’t make out what comments are sarcastic or not but I do find it strange how you can pass a ticket on to F&F and keep the credit. Losing the credit and entry to further competition is the only way I can justify it in my mind to pass on tickets moving forwards

The ultimate kicker for me is the club letting supporters pass on final tickets to F&F, if that’s not messed up I don’t know what is. People who have gone to all games, missing out in the ballot for someone who has potentially been to zero games

[Hij]

I can’t make out what comments are sarcastic or not but I do find it strange how you can pass a ticket on to F&F and keep the credit. Losing the credit and entry to further competition is the only way I can justify it in my mind to pass on tickets moving forwards

The ultimate kicker for me is the club letting supporters pass on final tickets to F&F, if that’s not messed up I don’t know what is. People who have gone to all games, missing out in the ballot for someone who has potentially been to zero games

I imagine the net will close over time though. Soon it'll be the max of 6 friends and family and potentially they won't allow you to keep the credit even if you give it one of them next season.

Didn't realise you fell of the ACS if you gave it back to the club though.

[scouser102002]

I can’t make out what comments are sarcastic or not but I do find it strange how you can pass a ticket on to F&F and keep the credit. Losing the credit and entry to further competition is the only way I can justify it in my mind to pass on tickets moving forwards

The ultimate kicker for me is the club letting supporters pass on final tickets to F&F, if that’s not messed up I don’t know what is. People who have gone to all games, missing out in the ballot for someone who has potentially been to zero games

It was sarcastic.

I don’t know why it makes a difference whether you sell to a friend or back to the club. Either way you haven’t attended the game!

But I believe in future seasons if you pass it on (friend, club or otherwise) you lose the credit.

This season is just to be seen as a free hit because of covid

[swoopy]

Correct. Once they get the F&F system up and running properly you won't be able to 'distribute' it to anyone you feel like. It'll have to be someone on your F&F list and you'll lose the credit.

[ScubaSteve]

That’s good to know, thanks both 

[Hij]

That’s good to know, thanks both 

What am I a mirage?

[keano7]

Lots and lots of availability for Porto. May drop down to General as Porto have given back nearly all of their allocation.

[andym41]

Lots and lots of availability for Porto. May drop down to General as Porto have given back nearly all of their allocation.

There needs to be a huge amount available - my queue number is 11930 with over an hour wait

[anfieldash]

Just done now, there won't be a problem if you're in the queue

[30fiver]

L6 and kop tickets went in the first min

Was a chunk of 20+ in L6

[30fiver]

Remaining for Porto at 11.55am

Upper main
985 tickets

Upper Kenny
63 tickets

Annie road Upper
127 tickets

Annie road lower
40

[Jamesie]

Remaining for Porto at 11.55am

Upper main
985 tickets

Upper Kenny
63 tickets

Annie road Upper
127 tickets

Annie road lower
40

No chance of this going to all members is there?

[sharkeyb]

.

It was sarcastic.

I don’t know why it makes a difference whether you sell to a friend or back to the club. Either way you haven’t attended the game!

But I believe in future seasons if you pass it on (friend, club or otherwise) you lose the credit.

This season is just to be seen as a free hit because of covid

Think that's a crap system, if I can't go and I'll lose the credit if I pass it on I simply won't go, all kinds of things can happen to mean that you cant make it and you shouldn't be punished

[scouser102002]

You’ll probably lose the credit for not going as well.

Credits are for attending games at the end of the day. If you dont attend the game then you wont have the credit.

And yeah, they’ll have to come up with a system that means you dont fall off the ladder if you miss the odd game. But if you miss a good few then its fair game

[CornerTakenQuickly]

No chance of this going to all members is there?

Probably will, but there won't be many left.

[Hij]

Think that's a crap system, if I can't go and I'll lose the credit if I pass it on I simply won't go, all kinds of things can happen to mean that you cant make it and you shouldn't be punished

Equally though if we make a final now, then realistically only those who actually attended all 6 should be boxed into an initial ballot first and then the rest. That won't happen, but they'd have the capability to do that in future and I hope they do. If you sack off Porto because you can't be arsed then there would be an easy way to split those with 6 down even further in the event we made a final. Those who didn't pass on and those that did. As there will be a large proportion who actually attended all of the games and the credit system was introduced primarily to reward the attendance of matches - it's just been so abused for ages we've lost sight of why it was there in the first place.

I do agree though that the occasional game is very harsh if it means you fall off the ladder - could be anything, family emergency, child birth whatever. But everyone would be in the same boat so it wouldn't only be happening to one person, it'd be happening to loads that pass them on for whatever reason.

7 of our 10 have jacked Porto in, I'd be fuming if one of them came out in the ballot over me now after selling on their tickets and driving some new people up for this one. Obviously thats a long way away and it would be a nice problem to have being as it would mean we were in a European Cup final but still.

[30fiver]

Think that's a crap system, if I can't go and I'll lose the credit if I pass it on I simply won't go, all kinds of things can happen to mean that you cant make it and you shouldn't be punished

Yeah won't get the credit if you don't scan in either, credit is applied at attendance, not purchase

I do agree though that the occasional game is very harsh if it means you fall off the ladder - could be anything, family emergency, child birth whatever. But everyone would be in the same boat so it wouldn't only be happening to one person, it'd be happening to loads that pass them on for whatever reason.

There needs to be some leeway to pass on say 3 games a year - if you have more than 3 emergencies then return the ticket to the club, prem you can get away with it a fair few times, but CL you can't

If someone uses the 3 pass on's to sort mates out then falls short in an emergency then so be it - tough luck

People need to move away from the idea of 'the ticket is mine i can do what i want with it', because the club really dont see it that way - effectively theyre renting the seat for a few hours to someone called joe bloggs, not his pals tom, dick and harry

[TeddyTime33]

Think that's a crap system, if I can't go and I'll lose the credit if I pass it on I simply won't go, all kinds of things can happen to mean that you cant make it and you shouldn't be punished

so why should you get credit for not going?

[Barrowred]

Yeah won't get the credit if you don't scan in either, credit is applied at attendance, not purchase

There needs to be some leeway to pass on say 3 games a year - if you have more than 3 emergencies then return the ticket to the club, prem you can get away with it a fair few times, but CL you can't

If someone uses the 3 pass on's to sort mates out then falls short in an emergency then so be it - tough luck

People need to move away from the idea of 'the ticket is mine i can do what i want with it', because the club really dont see it that way - effectively theyre renting the seat for a few hours to someone called joe bloggs, not his pals tom, dick and harry

The whole issue around passing on tickets against keeping the credit needs fully communicated by the club ahead of them implementing the proposed(?) procedure next season.
For league games my assumption being on 13+ is that as long as I actually attend 13+ games next season I keep that status. To put it simpler, I could potentially transfer 6 games to someone else?

Cup games it appears that if you don't attend a game in a certain competition you could lose the history for the rest of that particular competition?
Surely there must be some leeway on this to accommadate illness, emergencies etc? I do appreciate the club has to draw a line somewhere but if this is known you can at least plan for what you do know is going to happen, shift patterns, holidays etc.

[30fiver]

The whole issue around passing on tickets against keeping the credit needs fully communicated by the club ahead of them implementing the proposed(?) procedure next season.
For league games my assumption being on 13+ is that as long as I actually attend 13+ games next season I keep that status. To put it simpler, I could potentially transfer 6 games to someone else?

Cup games it appears that if you don't attend a game in a certain competition you could lose the history for the rest of that particular competition?
Surely there must be some leeway on this to accommadate illness, emergencies etc? I do appreciate the club has to draw a line somewhere but if this is known you can at least plan for what you do know is going to happen, shift patterns, holidays etc.

I'm sure they will be, things aren't finalised yet but its heading in the right direction

If you're on 13+ just buy the games you're going to attend? Hopefully long term the 13 number becomes lower... you don't have to buy 19

Having a number of say 3 transfers across all comps should accommodate illness and emergencies - the ticket exchange is there for league games, club might have more leeway if contacted and proved a long term illness for example, but they cant differ the touts from genuine fans when it comes to passing on that's the issue, and memberships aren't season tickets as much as you want them to be, you have to maintain attendance yourself to buy the following year - the way it should be

If someone chooses to be employed in a job where they cant get time off for matches, or book a holiday which clashes with an event they have tickets for, why do they get a free pass on the credit ladder? That's their choosing.

The same way, people shouldnt get a free pass on the credit situation because of where they live

[Barrowred]

I'm sure they will be, things aren't finalised yet but its heading in the right direction

If you're on 13+ just buy the games you're going to attend? Hopefully long term the 13 number becomes lower... you don't have to buy 19

Having a number of say 3 transfers across all comps should accommodate illness and emergencies - the ticket exchange is there for league games, club might have more leeway if contacted and proved a long term illness for example, but they cant differ the touts from genuine fans when it comes to passing on that's the issue, and memberships aren't season tickets as much as you want them to be, you have to maintain attendance yourself to buy the following year - the way it should be

If someone chooses to be employed in a job where they cant get time off for matches, or book a holiday which clashes with an event they have tickets for, why do they get a free pass on the credit ladder? That's their choosing.

The same way, people shouldnt get a free pass on the credit situation because of where they live

I do agree with all your points. Who gets a free pass on credits based on where they live though?

[SouthDerryLaggo]

I do agree with all your points. Who gets a free pass on credits based on where they live though?

assuming he means people who live further away and cant be arsed going to the league games against the likes of norwich or the dead rubbers like porto.

[Hij]

assuming he means people who live further away and cant be arsed going to the league games against the likes of norwich or the dead rubbers like porto.

Yep.

For instance we have a mate who used to live in Liverpool but now resides in Spain, so he buys all the cups and if he can't go we use it as a spare - which is more often than when he can go. This is a flagrant abuse of the system, but it's under the current rules where everyone is at it, so it's pointless being idealistic when others aren't and there is nothing to dissuade you from doing it. Realistically he'd have to decide in future between going more often or his ticket ultimately going back into the pot for someone else - which is fair enough - as much as he might want to maintain his credits.

[SouthDerryLaggo]

Yep.

For instance we have a mate who used to live in Liverpool but now resides in Spain, so he buys all the cups and if he can't go we use it as a spare - which is more often than when he can go. This is a flagrant abuse of the system, but it's under the current rules where everyone is at it, so it's pointless being idealistic when others aren't and there is nothing to dissuade you from doing it. Realistically he'd have to decide in future between going more often or his ticket ultimately going back into the pot for someone else - which is fair enough - as much as he might want to maintain his credits.

Yeah this is it. You should not be buying tickets if you cant go. I get that maybe the odd last minute thing pops up but these things rarely pop up during the biggest games.

[Barrowred]

Yep.

For instance we have a mate who used to live in Liverpool but now resides in Spain, so he buys all the cups and if he can't go we use it as a spare - which is more often than when he can go. This is a flagrant abuse of the system, but it's under the current rules where everyone is at it, so it's pointless being idealistic when others aren't and there is nothing to dissuade you from doing it. Realistically he'd have to decide in future between going more often or his ticket ultimately going back into the pot for someone else - which is fair enough - as much as he might want to maintain his credits.

Understand what was meant now, and agree. Has to be said though there will be people living round the corner from Anfield who will be doing exactly the same.

[ldsn]

Another point to mention is that with the new system, the amount of credits needed for sales should go down further. For example if instead of there being 30k with full CL home credits there's 20k, you'll start to see the credit requirements drop down making it easier to miss a game and still qualify for the next game.

Maybe having 4/5 CL games on your membership will become the new 6

[Hij]

Another point to mention is that with the new system, the amount of credits needed for sales should go down further. For example if instead of there being 30k with full CL home credits there's 20k, you'll start to see the credit requirements drop down making it easier to miss a game and still qualify for the next game.

Maybe having 4/5 CL games on your membership will become the new 6

This is a valid point and what I meant below but worded much better

But everyone would be in the same boat so it wouldn't only be happening to one person, it'd be happening to loads that pass them on for whatever reason.

[30fiver]

I do agree with all your points. Who gets a free pass on credits based on where they live though?

I meant people who live in scotland, kent, ireland etc who have 13+ and dont actually do 13+ or all the cups due to travel costs, time of work etc... most pick and choose the game they wanna do, usually consists of United, City, Everton, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and last home game, CL knockouts..

Dont do 13+ just do the big games and those will be kicking off if they lose their 13+ status and say its impossible to maintain due to costs

I'm saying we cant give them a free pass on the credit thing with passing on

[30fiver]

Another point to mention is that with the new system, the amount of credits needed for sales should go down further. For example if instead of there being 30k with full CL home credits there's 20k, you'll start to see the credit requirements drop down making it easier to miss a game and still qualify for the next game.

Maybe having 4/5 CL games on your membership will become the new 6

Hoping the things we've seen for the first two games will carry over - a guaranteed sale where 1 from the year before and the games this season guarantees you in the late sale

for me, when AR expansion is done they have the opportunity to make all ACS's a guaranteed sale, if you choose to enter it then you're on the ladder and guaranteed the next ACS if you want it - drop off the ACS ladder at any point then you should go into the late sales or have an unsold ACS seat sale for those with credits from the late sale like they do after the ballot ones for the league games

[SouthDerryLaggo]

I meant people who live in scotland, kent, ireland etc who have 13+ and dont actually do 13+ or all the cups due to travel costs, time of work etc... most pick and choose the game they wanna do, usually consists of United, City, Everton, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and last home game, CL knockouts..

Dont do 13+ just do the big games and those will be kicking off if they lose their 13+ status and say its impossible to maintain due to costs

I'm saying we cant give them a free pass on the credit thing with passing on

Yes. My mate from belfast accumulated 13+ via local sales cos his mate is from liverpool so he registered his address there. He has now had 13 for years and i think in the last few seasons he has only been to the barca 4-0, united, city and chelsea maybe. He was mad looking me to take some games off him this year but I havent needed to as Ive managed to sort myself which is how it should be.