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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #80 on: August 24, 2021, 11:36:27 am »
Ally McCoist and Ian Wright are the best. Neither offers any particular insight, but feel like great company to watch the match with in the pub.

If I had to watch the match with Jenas, I'd leave the pub, and perhaps the country.

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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #81 on: August 24, 2021, 12:15:00 pm »
Ally McCoist and Ian Wright are the best. Neither offers any particular insight, but feel like great company to watch the match with in the pub.

If I had to watch the match with Jenas, I'd leave the pub, and perhaps the country.
Ian Wright is a lot better on his podcast on The Ringer, he speaks very fluently on all matters football and whilst some of his opinions sounds terrible with hindsight (basically any time he gets a little high on Arsenal) he does offer some decent analysis and speaks very well giving insight into his time in the game and the roadblocks to progression he faced, many of which were basically due to racism.
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« Reply #82 on: August 24, 2021, 12:32:03 pm »
Posted by Yosser in the MOTD thread yesterday, but just as relevant here....

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/features/match-of-the-day-premier-league-football-b1906082.html



'Match of the Day is a British institution. The venerable football “highlights and analysis” programme is older than most of the population, has a theme tune more recognisable than Doctor Who, and has taken up prime Saturday night real estate in BBC One’s weekly schedule for nearly six decades. Unlike many legacy series of its ilk, Match of the Day has remained quite enduringly popular across people of all age groups, with football’s resilient place in the nation’s heart ensuring a constantly replenishing fanbase of the very young and old alike. The only problem? Take out the football itself, and the programme is simply dismal.

Ideally, a sports series like this would strike a deft balance between being entertaining and informative, dissecting what’s really happening in a game of football in a way that’s accessible for the everyday fan. Match of the Day, however, exists in a No Man’s Land between these two points. The patter, between two ex-footballer pundits and a host (usually Gary Lineker, with Mark Chapman fronting Match of the Day 2 on Sunday), is uniformly banal and humourless, while offering little to no specialist analysis into the matches themselves.

The absolute dearth of wit or cleverness becomes even more farcical when you consider the amount of money the BBC invests in it. In 2018, the broadcaster paid £211.5m to retain the rights to the Premier League highlights for three years, up from £205m in 2015. It seems strange to suggest that the BBC’s highest-paid personality is best described as a “safe pair of hands”, but that’s exactly what Gary Lineker is. His blandness is feature, not flaw; he keeps proceedings ticking over with mechanical reliability, but fails to coax any real repartee from his co-stars. (And contrary to what some of his detractors might say, there’s little chance of him instigating a communist revolution any time soon.)
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We do not treat any other genre of programming with quite the same small-minded preconceptions as football shows. Just because an athlete is able to express themselves eloquently on a football pitch does not mean they are suited for show business. Often, they are wildly anti-charismatic, media training having merely sanded off any hint of quirk or idiosyncrasy. By limiting the pool of personalities to ex-footballers, we are depriving football punditry of many of the qualities we associate with good television: wit; originality; the ability to surprise. Even Question Time lets comedians on once in a while.
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It’s not like there’s any shortage of celebrities who are knowledgeable about football, who could bring some conversational flair to the show; you can’t tell me swapping Danny Murphy for Frank Skinner wouldn’t have viewers tuning in in droves. Or, if the aim is authority rather than entertainment value, Match of the Day should be bringing on managers, analysts, statisticians – people who can tell you something about the game that isn’t obvious to every pub bore out there.

Over on Sky Sports, the ex-Manchester United right back Gary Neville made a name for himself as a TV pundit par excellence, breaking down what’s going on in a match with a specificity seldom seen on British television. This notion of Neville as sagacious professor figure was tempered somewhat by the arrival of Jamie Carragher, reframing the Monday Night Football segments into more of a spectacle of barely supressed hatreds. But as both education and entertainment, it’s got Match of the Day beat.
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Criticising Match of the Day is nothing new, of course. It’s been more than a decade since Stan Collymore condemned the series as “stale, clichéd, smug pap”, characterising the presenting team as a “golfing clique with a passing interest in football”. In 2010 The Guardian’s James McMahon also described the series as “predictable”, noting that it was “talked of as boring, unintelligent [and] ill-informed”. Since those days, little has changed. Mainstays Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrenson have respectively retired and accepted a reduced role; Lineker remains, dug in like a unusually well-compensated tick. Some of the newer pundits have been better than others (Ian Wright is an affable and sincere presence), but the format’s broader shortcomings remain as entrenched as ever.


Match of the Day’s monopoly on the eyeballs of Premier League fans cannot go on forever. Its primary competition is no longer paid-for TV rivals, Sky Sports, BT and Amazon, but the massive force of the internet. Free match highlights are available to watch online, allowing viewers to pick and choose which matches to watch. The discerning fan need sit through clips of a mealy nil-nil between Newcastle and Burnley no longer. The internet has also revolutionised punditry, such that it is: social media, YouTube videos, specialist websites and subscription newsletters give people access to in-depth tactical breakdowns and analysis far beyond what is ever discussed on TV. Obsolescence is coming for Match of the Day from pretty much every direction'.
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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #83 on: August 24, 2021, 12:33:01 pm »
Thing is personally I'm not too impressed by the journalists and supposed experts who weren't footballers whenever I hear them on podcasts and read their work. I'm sure there are some good ones out there like. A lot seem to love that Michael Cox but personally I find him a bit of an annoying prat who says just as many things I disagree with.

And does the public really want to hear in depth tactical analysis from someone they don't know. I'm sorry but a lot of the football journos and tactical experts I hear are smarmy and irritating.  Most people watch the footy and for them that either means MotD highlights or the game and half time talk, maybe a bit of the pre and post match stuff. Not much room there really for so much nuanced discussion

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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #84 on: August 24, 2021, 12:42:38 pm »
Ian Wright is a lot better on his podcast on The Ringer, he speaks very fluently on all matters football and whilst some of his opinions sounds terrible with hindsight (basically any time he gets a little high on Arsenal) he does offer some decent analysis and speaks very well giving insight into his time in the game and the roadblocks to progression he faced, many of which were basically due to racism.

I didn't know he had a podcast. Will check it out.

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« Reply #85 on: August 24, 2021, 12:43:58 pm »
Thing is personally I'm not too impressed by the journalists and supposed experts who weren't footballers whenever I hear them on podcasts and read their work. I'm sure there are some good ones out there like. A lot seem to love that Michael Cox but personally I find him a bit of an annoying prat who says just as many things I disagree with.

And does the public really want to hear in depth tactical analysis from someone they don't know. I'm sorry but a lot of the football journos and tactical experts I hear are smarmy and irritating.  Most people watch the footy and for them that either means MotD highlights or the game and half time talk, maybe a bit of the pre and post match stuff. Not much room there really for so much nuanced discussion

I love listening to Neil Atkinson. So much more nuanced than most of the ex-player pundits out there, my personal belief is that there aren’t that many ex-footballers who are actually intelligent. I think like most news, you just have to pick out the ones you trust, instead of just all of them.

I mean, imagine listening to Patrice Evra after every match…

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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #86 on: August 24, 2021, 12:44:21 pm »
Thing is personally I'm not too impressed by the journalists and supposed experts who weren't footballers whenever I hear them on podcasts and read their work.

When you hear the poor devils at press conferences asking questions to Jurgen it is obvious that most football journalists are incoherent and a bit thick. They sound a lot stupider than most footballers.
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« Reply #87 on: August 24, 2021, 01:02:37 pm »
When you hear the poor devils at press conferences asking questions to Jurgen it is obvious that most football journalists are incoherent and a bit thick. They sound a lot stupider than most footballers.

A lot them were just good at English at school, or just had the right connections to get a gig at a newspaper. They're not particularly knowledgeable about football.

There's more good football writers than ex-player pundits though. The likes of Jonathan Wilson, Michael Cox, Gabrielle Marcotti, Sid Lowe, Rafa Honegstein, Simon Hughes and Miguel Delaney to list a few.
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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #88 on: August 24, 2021, 01:13:09 pm »
There was a shoe salesman, who had never played football, he managed a bunch of smaller teams over a 20 year period before a European giant took a punt on him, the media decried him as inadequate as he'd never played football. In his first year they won their first league title in a decade, in his second the european cup, in his third another European Cup. Then he took his national side to the World Cup Final.

There was a banker who coached amateur sunday league teams during his spare time, never played football professionally, he got a job in the second highest division in his country, he only lasted a year and it could be said he failed but he worked at smaller clubs before being given another chance in that division 5 years later, he got them promoted to the top flight and kept them there. A top provincial club signed him and he took them to their highest points total in their history and just missed out on winning the league a couple of times. He moved to an English club, stayed a season, won the Europa League before moving to an Italian club and finally getting his hands on a league title.

Jermaine Jenas and Danny Murphy have 1% of the football experience and brains that the above 2 have. Being a player means fuck all. As the first chap noted - "I never realised in order to be a jockey you had to have been a horse first".

There's a chap that has won a World Cup and taken 5 different national sides to the World Cup. Never played himself.
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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #89 on: August 24, 2021, 01:13:30 pm »
It's alright being a pundit if you were a shit footballer. It's even alright being a pundit if you weren't or aren't a footballer. It's not alright being a pundit if you're thick as pig shit and have a false impression that you were a world beater and a superstar in your own mind. Jenas and Murphy are both guilty of this. Murphy more so.

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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #90 on: August 24, 2021, 02:18:07 pm »
This prick doesn't deserve a thread

Exactly what I came in to say. Lock it and consign into irrelevance.

I don't think it's a bad idea to keep track of their lies (using selective match clips to mislead the public), anti-Liverpool bias and general nonsense. He seems to be the worst offender of them all. We should make an example of him.
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« Reply #91 on: August 24, 2021, 04:14:22 pm »
I don't think it's a bad idea to keep track of their lies (using selective match clips to mislead the public), anti-Liverpool bias and general nonsense. He seems to be the worst offender of them all. We should make an example of him.

Precisely...bullshitting tool deserves his own thread and then some....
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« Reply #92 on: August 24, 2021, 04:31:42 pm »
I don't think it's a bad idea to keep track of their lies (using selective match clips to mislead the public), anti-Liverpool bias and general nonsense. He seems to be the worst offender of them all. We should make an example of him.

Or you could just turn it off or do something else when he comes on the telly.   ;D
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« Reply #93 on: August 24, 2021, 08:16:26 pm »
Or you could just turn it off or do something else when he comes on the telly.   ;D

Aye, thats what I do. Can't stand the shiny faced twat so I just turn it off.
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« Reply #94 on: August 24, 2021, 09:29:20 pm »
I don't think it's a bad idea to keep track of their lies (using selective match clips to mislead the public), anti-Liverpool bias and general nonsense. He seems to be the worst offender of them all. We should make an example of him.

Jenas is a tit, but there's far worse anti-Liverpool pundits than him. Including that gobshite ex-red sat next to him.

All the pundits had the same view about Klopp's comments, so don't see why Jenas is singled out especially, when they've all jumped on the bandwagon.
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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #95 on: August 25, 2021, 11:55:31 am »
I’d go for Sol Campbell. Just for the sheer oddness he would provide

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« Reply #96 on: August 25, 2021, 12:02:54 pm »
I only hear him when he's commentating, luckily he has an accent that's easy to blank out.

Neville is more annoying to me.
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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #97 on: August 25, 2021, 06:56:37 pm »
Back in 2003 I'd loved to have him at Liverpool alongside Gerrard he was a top prospect when Newcastle were in the Champions League. In fact, a combination of him, Stevie, Kewell and Owen really felt like it could've been brutal back then if it wasn't for all the injuries between the lot. It certainly was on Total Club Manager let me tell you  ;D

Then all went downhill from there. Was a great shame really because he really had a ton of potential but failed to take the last step and ultimately declined rather than remain in one place unlike say Defoe who came through at the same time and at least became a very good Premier League presence for a decade. Both were deemed wonderkids, yet it was lesser talents like Barry and Carrick who got the big money and the England caps.

Jenas on the other hand I always feel had unfinished business. I haven't heard his punditry but he might be a touch bitter about not fulfilling his potential - I wouldn't blame him.
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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #98 on: October 16, 2021, 01:01:05 pm »
FML not only is he on every BBC program and Radio station, he’s co-commentating on our game on BT. Is there any escaping him?
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« Reply #99 on: October 16, 2021, 01:12:52 pm »
FML not only is he on every BBC program and Radio station, he’s co-commentating on our game on BT. Is there any escaping him?

Him and giggles are on every fucking thing.
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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #100 on: October 16, 2021, 01:13:05 pm »
To be fair though, we all want everything to be meaningful or intrically planned or even just clever.

It must be a hard job. Bloke boots a piece of plastic to another bloke 50 times a game and you're supposed to be offering detailed foundation-style scientific analysis on what mosts times is a bit of luck or bouncing off a shin.

Yeah - there are moments of absolute brilliance certainly, but most goals and moves are a combination of reasonable play, luck and poor defending and yet pundits no longer seem to be able to admit their mistakes. In the game today they commented on a foul given by Jon Moss against Mane - they said "Yeah. You can see the foul there.. actually.. um.. er.." instead of "Shocker by Moss that, never touched him - I was wrong" or the throw in we got - again "Yeah. he. er touched it" instead of "Lino got that wrong"

For me, the punditary would improve enormously if they admitted they were wrong for time to time and also had a go at abysmal decisions
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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #101 on: October 16, 2021, 01:29:27 pm »
That offside shout against Mo :lmao

Was clearly at least a yard, if not more, onside

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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #102 on: October 16, 2021, 02:01:34 pm »
I think we didn't buy him or something at one point or something, he has so much hate for us for no reason.  :wanker

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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #103 on: October 16, 2021, 02:11:08 pm »
Complete tit, Jake Humphrey is somehow worse, the smug creepy prick.

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« Reply #104 on: October 16, 2021, 04:16:04 pm »
Him and giggles are on every fucking thing.
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Yeah - there are moments of absolute brilliance certainly, but most goals and moves are a combination of reasonable play, luck and poor defending and yet pundits no longer seem to be able to admit their mistakes. In the game today they commented on a foul given by Jon Moss against Mane - they said "Yeah. You can see the foul there.. actually.. um.. er.." instead of "Shocker by Moss that, never touched him - I was wrong" or the throw in we got - again "Yeah. he. er touched it" instead of "Lino got that wrong"

For me, the punditary would improve enormously if they admitted they were wrong for time to time and also had a go at abysmal decisions

Yeah that was weird. Sadio barely touched the player. It was obviously a referee mistake and a very, very soft "foul". Our players (Mo & Sadio especially) get railroaded 10 times worse than that 50 times per game and the refs just wave 'play on'. Fucking bizarre punditry but even more shocking refereeing.
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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #105 on: October 16, 2021, 04:45:27 pm »
I don't mind Jenas...too much. Humphries is a H&M mannequin albeit one with less to say.

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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #106 on: October 17, 2021, 08:59:28 am »
The way he consistently talks when he is co commentator is annoying.

He just chats so much wham with nothing making sense.
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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #107 on: October 17, 2021, 09:26:13 am »
He was properly upset at Firmino´s second goal. Spent the next 5 minutes crying about how they should change the rules so that that goal would be offside. 

I don´t particularly hate him. I just think he is a whiny little tit.

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« Reply #108 on: October 17, 2021, 09:45:20 am »
He was properly upset at Firmino´s second goal. Spent the next 5 minutes crying about how they should change the rules so that that goal would be offside. 

I don´t particularly hate him. I just think he is a whiny little tit.
People comparing it to the Mbappe goal in that shitty Euro final are wide of the mark.

Mbappe was offside when the pass was made and scored after the defender played the ball. Salah was offside for our goal but Firmino scored and he was onside throughout the whole move.
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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #109 on: October 17, 2021, 12:55:35 pm »
People comparing it to the Mbappe goal in that shitty Euro final are wide of the mark.

Mbappe was offside when the pass was made and scored after the defender played the ball. Salah was offside for our goal but Firmino scored and he was onside throughout the whole move.

True but the defender only slid to try and cut out the pass because of Salah.

Had no outcome on the game but if/when we concede one like that it will annoy me.

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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #110 on: October 17, 2021, 01:46:38 pm »
True but the defender only slid to try and cut out the pass because of Salah.

Had no outcome on the game but if/when we concede one like that it will annoy me.

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« Reply #111 on: October 17, 2021, 01:58:59 pm »
True but the defender only slid to try and cut out the pass because of Salah.

Had no outcome on the game but if/when we concede one like that it will annoy me.

Absolutely. I'd be fuming if that was against Liverpool - we were to be fair when Kane's was allowed a few years back. Watford got battered so it didn't really make a difference, but that rule needs looking at. Salah does influence the move, he make the defender cut the pass out that leads to the goal.

Nice to get the rub of the green after the shite that came our way at the start of last season.

Jenas seems OK. The commentary and reaction to Salah's goals was good. At least there was some excitement. Martin Tyler would have been struggling to hide his disappointment.
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Re: Jermaine Anthony Jenas
« Reply #112 on: October 17, 2021, 04:02:05 pm »

Nice to get the rub of the green after the shite that came our way at the start of last season.


Its not getting the rub of the green. Like it or not its the rule.
All the badge kissing in the world don't make up for the fact that they are, frankly, not Liverpool Football Club. It's not their fault. Its just how it is.