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« Reply #63160 on: October 16, 2021, 09:55:55 am »
I see what you were meaning now. I forgot to state that I was showing them by date of death (rather than date reported which you were referring to).

Date reported is not a measure that matters when trying to understand trends (relative to cases data), what it mostly shows is the timeliness of the different sources of deaths being reported.
Got you. And that’s a bit more encouraging then I guess.

Although I suppose if you’re comparing week on week, using the same data (eg date reported) then you’ve got the same variables in play during both 7 day data sets, so perhaps still SOME use in looking for week on week trends? I guess where it goes wrong is holiday periods. So I can see what you mean by actual date rather than reported date being the one to use.

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« Reply #63161 on: October 16, 2021, 10:58:36 am »
Why do you need internet to do a LFT?

I'd assume you could even have pop-up test places everywhere in town for those that can't or don't want to do it at home.
I guess he means for uploading the results?

Not sure how many people these days don't have access to the internet anyway given the widespread mobile phone use they probably have access even if they don't realise it
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« Reply #63162 on: October 16, 2021, 11:44:15 am »
Got you. And that’s a bit more encouraging then I guess.

Although I suppose if you’re comparing week on week, using the same data (eg date reported) then you’ve got the same variables in play during both 7 day data sets, so perhaps still SOME use in looking for week on week trends? I guess where it goes wrong is holiday periods. So I can see what you mean by actual date rather than reported date being the one to use.

Yeah you're right - you can compare say a Monday's results to the previous Monday to get a snap picture on the day of.

But yeah there's also some volatility based on data sources that could be behind those perceived changes when looking only at date reported (eg ONS don't work on weekends to provide PHE/UKHSA with their reports, and sometimes other sources might be incomplete because of a little IT issue on a given day).

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« Reply #63163 on: October 16, 2021, 12:49:30 pm »
Just had a text saying there may of been an issue with my PCR test, asking me to take another, absolutely fucking pointless now, I just assumed I had it and isolated (still isolating).  It’s all got a bit silly now.

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« Reply #63164 on: October 16, 2021, 04:26:31 pm »
43423 new cases and 148 deaths reported today.

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« Reply #63165 on: October 16, 2021, 06:40:29 pm »
43423 new cases and 148 deaths reported today.
Big numbers for a Saturday. With regard to week on week increases, of course we’re seeing significant rises in the south west compared last week - purely down to now identifying infections that we weren’t then. The cock up of that testing centre has actually shown us how useful these LFT are. I was extremely sceptical when Johnson announced his “moonshot” idea last year, but here we are now with those exact tools he proclaimed. The problem is we’re not actually using them as we should and getting the value that they provide.

I’d have to have read back but I’m pretty sure I said his idea would never work when he announced it. I was wrong, but equally so was he as now that we can implement that “moonshot” idea, we’re not even bothering. It’s the story of this pandemic with them, flit from one thing to the next after massive investment. We have extremely good vaccines, but make no real effort to convince those remaining to take it. We have extremely good at home tests, but make a token effort to make people use it. So frustrating.

Edit : and we had a very successful furlough policy, while at the same time completely ignoring the fact that many people had to work, sick or not, to put food on the table. Expensive half measures that place us where we are now.
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« Reply #63166 on: October 16, 2021, 08:54:59 pm »
My 13 yr old is still not feeling right and seems a bit depressed too. He's got mates at school who feel the same, is feeling down a side effect of covid?

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« Reply #63167 on: October 16, 2021, 09:17:13 pm »
My 13 yr old is still not feeling right and seems a bit depressed too. He's got mates at school who feel the same, is feeling down a side effect of covid?

The thing that worries me about Covid more than anything is the possibility that it just won't go away, tinnitus sufferers often have to deal with depression for the same reason. I can see that being a problem for a kid who might normally be really active.

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« Reply #63168 on: October 16, 2021, 10:02:27 pm »
My 13 yr old is still not feeling right and seems a bit depressed too. He's got mates at school who feel the same, is feeling down a side effect of covid?

It's an expected side effect of 18 months of constant bad news and disruption to their usual lives.

I'm sure they'll be OK when a semblance of real normality resumes.

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« Reply #63169 on: October 16, 2021, 10:30:01 pm »
My daughter was on a school trip to Manchester yesterday. Her friend who was with her text this morning to say she has had a positive lateral flow test, took daughter for PCR test this afternoon but been reading that it could take up to five days before you test positive/become infectious?

They both wore masks except when they were sat eating in the food court in the Arndale. Pretty pissed off with the friend's parents as they have since said she wasn't feeling well and had done two lateral flow tests the previous day (both negative) but didn't bother taking her for a pcr.


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« Reply #63170 on: October 17, 2021, 09:31:17 am »
Not sure if we'll need this going forward, but if you need a Covid Test (We had to do a PCR one due to Government rules) then I can recommend the one at Chavaisse Park in Liverpool

Dead easy to book (Unlike the shitty Boots website that was impossible to fill in) and when we got there, it was a breeze to turn up, do the test and get off.

Me and the missus got our results back within 12 hours and the whole experience was pretty much pain free (£55 each, but thems the rules at the time we did them)

Randox is the name of the company : https://www.randox.com/
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« Reply #63171 on: October 17, 2021, 10:14:22 am »
Not sure if we'll need this going forward, but if you need a Covid Test (We had to do a PCR one due to Government rules) then I can recommend the one at Chavaisse Park in Liverpool

Dead easy to book (Unlike the shitty Boots website that was impossible to fill in) and when we got there, it was a breeze to turn up, do the test and get off.

Me and the missus got our results back within 12 hours and the whole experience was pretty much pain free (£55 each, but thems the rules at the time we did them)

Randox is the name of the company : https://www.randox.com/

Taking my lad to Manchester Airport this afternoon to do his pre departure PCR, as we are supposed to be flying to Cyprus on Wednesday - also booked with Randox, cost us £60.

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« Reply #63172 on: October 17, 2021, 10:15:35 am »
Not sure if we'll need this going forward, but if you need a Covid Test (We had to do a PCR one due to Government rules) then I can recommend the one at Chavaisse Park in Liverpool

Dead easy to book (Unlike the shitty Boots website that was impossible to fill in) and when we got there, it was a breeze to turn up, do the test and get off.

Me and the missus got our results back within 12 hours and the whole experience was pretty much pain free (£55 each, but thems the rules at the time we did them)

Randox is the name of the company : https://www.randox.com/

As I live near Heathrow airport there’s loads around here, and a lot of the airlines have deals with the testing companies like Randox when you book to get a discount too.
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« Reply #63173 on: October 17, 2021, 11:45:58 am »
As I live near Heathrow airport there’s loads around here, and a lot of the airlines have deals with the testing companies like Randox when you book to get a discount too.

Good old Randox. When not sponsoring the grand national finding time to build its Tory connections.

https://eastdevonwatch.org/2020/11/05/tory-linked-firm-involved-in-testing-failure-given-new-347m-covid-contract/

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« Reply #63174 on: October 17, 2021, 12:04:18 pm »
Good old Randox. When not sponsoring the grand national finding time to build its Tory connections.

https://eastdevonwatch.org/2020/11/05/tory-linked-firm-involved-in-testing-failure-given-new-347m-covid-contract/

Surely its the case that each and every one of the firms offering the tests are Tory donors?

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« Reply #63175 on: October 17, 2021, 12:45:39 pm »
Surely its the case that each and every one of the firms offering the tests are Tory donors?

Don’t know about all but certainly a huge amount of apparent corruption going on from the onset of the pandemic.  Hence ongoing court cases brought by the Good Law Project.

https://goodlawproject.org/case/money-for-dominic-cummings-mates/

https://goodlawproject.org/case/procurement-case/

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« Reply #63176 on: October 17, 2021, 01:34:43 pm »
Don’t know about all but certainly a huge amount of apparent corruption going on from the onset of the pandemic.  Hence ongoing court cases brought by the Good Law Project.

https://goodlawproject.org/case/money-for-dominic-cummings-mates/

https://goodlawproject.org/case/procurement-case/


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« Reply #63177 on: October 17, 2021, 06:06:29 pm »
Just had a text saying there may of been an issue with my PCR test, asking me to take another, absolutely fucking pointless now, I just assumed I had it and isolated (still isolating).  It’s all got a bit silly now.
had one of those this morning following my daughter's "negative" test on 3rd October. The text said that given the timescale (now two weeks after the test was taken) there's no need to take any action.

She didn't isolate though but her LFTs were all negative too
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« Reply #63178 on: October 17, 2021, 09:40:03 pm »
Interesting story on Twitter from the FT and and their guy whose been doing a lot of the Covid reporting trying to explain why we’re doing so much worse then the rest of Europe, interesting theory is that because we started vaccination before most of Europe were seeing waning immunity from the vaccines before Europe the way Israel did a few months ago who were a few months ahead of us in vaccinations, made worse by the fact we were slow vaccinating kids, the AZ vaccines seems to start waning earlier then Pfizer and we’re not doing great with boosters either.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1449801652207239176?s=21
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« Reply #63179 on: October 18, 2021, 11:57:26 am »
Interesting story on Twitter from the FT and and their guy whose been doing a lot of the Covid reporting trying to explain why we’re doing so much worse then the rest of Europe, interesting theory is that because we started vaccination before most of Europe were seeing waning immunity from the vaccines before Europe the way Israel did a few months ago who were a few months ahead of us in vaccinations, made worse by the fact we were slow vaccinating kids, the AZ vaccines seems to start waning earlier then Pfizer and we’re not doing great with boosters either.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1449801652207239176?s=21

Also, we have lifted every restriction.

Mask wearing should still be a thing plus better controls over events.
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« Reply #63180 on: October 18, 2021, 01:30:33 pm »
Also, we have lifted every restriction.

Mask wearing should still be a thing plus better controls over events.

As the Twitter thread points out, Scotland still requires mask wearing much more then England but the cases numbers are no better in Scotland.
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« Reply #63181 on: October 18, 2021, 01:36:16 pm »
As the Twitter thread points out, Scotland still requires mask wearing much more then England but the cases numbers are no better in Scotland.

There's not a huge difference but over last month or so been trending down in Scotland compared to up/flat everywhere else.

Not tha tI am saying that is down to masks, there does seem to just be a cyclical nature and each of the 4 nations aren't always at the same point.

Check the "Weekly Case and Death Rates by Nation" graph over last 3 months.
https://www.travellingtabby.com/uk-coronavirus-tracker/

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« Reply #63182 on: October 18, 2021, 02:18:25 pm »
As the Twitter thread points out, Scotland still requires mask wearing much more then England but the cases numbers are no better in Scotland.

Is that down to infected English taking it up there though? I had a run to near Edinburgh a few weeks ago and when I stopped for a break at Gretna Services, it was packed with English travellers and they were walking around maskless without giving a shit. The hand hygiene in the mens bogs was vile too.

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« Reply #63183 on: October 18, 2021, 02:21:08 pm »
Also, we have lifted every restriction.

Mask wearing should still be a thing plus better controls over events.

It almost feels back to normal now. In my experience over the last few weeks, mask wearing in shops is about 30%. I caught a train for the 1st time since Feb 20 and was expecting to see lots of masks, I'd say 10% based on my carriage, max. Went into a pub to order and there were people queuing at the bar and pub was full, we bought ale and sat outside which was also full.
Week earlier, we were at an event in a bar which again was pretty full with people standing in groups.
Sat outside a pub Sat evening, then went in when it got cooler and it was pretty full, stayed for a couple more but left when it got even busier.

To me, and picking up on your point, is if that's what is now going on, then we are doing better than expected. My guess is that fewer and fewer are actually getting tested and that the actual infection rates are higher, but the vaccines are doing their job. For now.

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« Reply #63184 on: October 18, 2021, 02:30:38 pm »
It almost feels back to normal now. In my experience over the last few weeks, mask wearing in shops is about 30%. I caught a train for the 1st time since Feb 20 and was expecting to see lots of masks, I'd say 10% based on my carriage, max. Went into a pub to order and there were people queuing at the bar and pub was full, we bought ale and sat outside which was also full.
Week earlier, we were at an event in a bar which again was pretty full with people standing in groups.
Sat outside a pub Sat evening, then went in when it got cooler and it was pretty full, stayed for a couple more but left when it got even busier.

To me, and picking up on your point, is if that's what is now going on, then we are doing better than expected. My guess is that fewer and fewer are actually getting tested and that the actual infection rates are higher, but the vaccines are doing their job. For now.

Mask wearing has died a death in England in particular and in most areas apparently. I can't believe that there is any area left in England now where mask wearing is high, as I know some people got offended at the thought of that being labelled at their areas.

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« Reply #63185 on: October 18, 2021, 02:34:06 pm »
My 13 yr old is still not feeling right and seems a bit depressed too. He's got mates at school who feel the same, is feeling down a side effect of covid?

worth speaking to a GP if he's feeling depressed - his mates too. not only has it been a glum 2 years, but I can imagine those with residual lethargy or longer effects of Covid will feel downbeat too. hope he feels better and it's just a case of his age and circumstances.
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« Reply #63186 on: October 18, 2021, 02:53:25 pm »
worth speaking to a GP if he's feeling depressed - his mates too. not only has it been a glum 2 years, but I can imagine those with residual lethargy or longer effects of Covid will feel downbeat too. hope he feels better and it's just a case of his age and circumstances.

We're off to Cyprus on Wednesday, if he still feels bad when we get back, I'm going to take him in.

It almost feels back to normal now. In my experience over the last few weeks, mask wearing in shops is about 30%. I caught a train for the 1st time since Feb 20 and was expecting to see lots of masks, I'd say 10% based on my carriage, max. Went into a pub to order and there were people queuing at the bar and pub was full, we bought ale and sat outside which was also full.
Week earlier, we were at an event in a bar which again was pretty full with people standing in groups.
Sat outside a pub Sat evening, then went in when it got cooler and it was pretty full, stayed for a couple more but left when it got even busier.

To me, and picking up on your point, is if that's what is now going on, then we are doing better than expected. My guess is that fewer and fewer are actually getting tested and that the actual infection rates are higher, but the vaccines are doing their job. For now.

Went to see Venom with the lad yesterday, nearest Odeon is the Trafford Centre - fuck me, it was rammed to the rafters and masks were non existent, no wonder Trafford has the worst rates in GM now.

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« Reply #63187 on: October 18, 2021, 03:10:04 pm »
Mask wearing has died a death in England in particular and in most areas apparently. I can't believe that there is any area left in England now where mask wearing is high, as I know some people got offended at the thought of that being labelled at their areas.
It's creeping through to Wales too (still a requirement to wear a mask inside accept for hospitality, a month or so ago pretty much everyone was wearing a mask in Sainsbury's and our local NISA.  Nowadays, I see loads of people not wearing them when I go to a shop and cases are on the rise still in Wales.  They aren't even bothering to wear the sunflower lanyard anymore either!

It's not just the shoppers, it's most of the workers too!

I've not been on a train for a while but I suspect it's the same on there.
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« Reply #63188 on: October 18, 2021, 03:11:36 pm »
There's not a huge difference but over last month or so been trending down in Scotland compared to up/flat everywhere else.

Not tha tI am saying that is down to masks, there does seem to just be a cyclical nature and each of the 4 nations aren't always at the same point.

Check the "Weekly Case and Death Rates by Nation" graph over last 3 months.
https://www.travellingtabby.com/uk-coronavirus-tracker/
That's a great link that, all the data you need in one place by the looks
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« Reply #63189 on: October 18, 2021, 04:16:17 pm »
Will be interesting to see if any restrictions come in for uk travellers flying abroad and capacity crowds in the next month or so

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« Reply #63190 on: October 18, 2021, 04:38:42 pm »
6000 cases per 100,000 in schools in my LEA.

No need to vaccinate, because at that rate they’ll all have bloody had it by Christmas.
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Re: COVID-19:VERIFIED news sources, 0 politishit, 0 CONSPIRACY SHITE
« Reply #63191 on: October 18, 2021, 04:47:37 pm »
6000 cases per 100,000 in schools in my LEA.

No need to vaccinate, because at that rate they’ll all have bloody had it by Christmas.

One thing everyone who won't wear masks is missing is there is about 13 million kids under 16 in this country, so its fair to guess about 9 million are in school and they are not yet vaccinated - this is why I feel they were wrong to pull back on masks so early.

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Re: COVID-19:VERIFIED news sources, 0 politishit, 0 CONSPIRACY SHITE
« Reply #63192 on: October 18, 2021, 05:24:55 pm »
That's a great link that, all the data you need in one place by the looks

Yeah it's the best of all the sites I have come across. It's run by a Scottish guy so there is a separate Scottish page but the UK one is good for comparing the trends across the 4 home nations.

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Re: COVID-19:VERIFIED news sources, 0 politishit, 0 CONSPIRACY SHITE
« Reply #63193 on: October 18, 2021, 05:44:09 pm »
49156 new cases and 45 deaths reported today


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Re: COVID-19:VERIFIED news sources, 0 politishit, 0 CONSPIRACY SHITE
« Reply #63194 on: October 18, 2021, 05:50:09 pm »
49156 new cases and 45 deaths reported today

I said the other day we'll be looking at 50,000+ next week. Probably starting tomorrow.

Half term might calm it, as the schools are driving a lot of the infections, but one week isn't going to do anything ultimately.

Got to hope it's not another exponential rise after it had settled at 30 something thousand for months.
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« Reply #63195 on: October 18, 2021, 05:54:27 pm »

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« Reply #63196 on: October 18, 2021, 06:02:04 pm »
49156 new cases and 45 deaths reported today



How many are school kids and uni students?

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« Reply #63197 on: October 18, 2021, 06:13:49 pm »
How many are school kids and uni students?

I'd guess the majority are school and other students.

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« Reply #63198 on: October 18, 2021, 06:40:01 pm »
Interesting article on the effects of vaccination on admissions and death.

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2306

But the article makes it clear that certain groups, despite double vaccination, are at an elevated risk of death or serious illness.

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Re: COVID-19:VERIFIED news sources, 0 politishit, 0 CONSPIRACY SHITE
« Reply #63199 on: October 18, 2021, 07:09:01 pm »
How long until countries start putting on their Red lists?
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