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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7880 on: January 11, 2022, 10:42:52 am »
I feel it depends on the perspective. I feel its like comparing apples and oranges.

To us fans, Southampton to Liverpool is a bigger jump than Liverpool to Barcelona. And I think we are right to evaluate it as such. I mean, its obvious. No questions there.

To the player, its different in that they all see the "from" club as a stepping stone. The player sees an opportunity to jump up (mind you its his perspective) from Southampton to Liverpool or Liverpool to Barcelona.

Whilst I reluctantly agree that a move from Liverpool to Barcelona is lucrative to him (weather, city, countryside, guaranteed trophy etc.. and its hard to disagree considering he came from Italy and Brazil earlier) I disagree with the way in which he left us.

Thats why I see it from a different perspective. I learnt it the hard way with Torres.

Another perspective is to see how Suarez is still admired by many, despite being the biggest **** of all in getting his move from Liverpool. I can't bring myself to dislike Coutinho all that much when there's a much worse example. Gloat over his subsequent failure, yes.
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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7881 on: January 11, 2022, 11:53:24 am »
Another perspective is to see how Suarez is still admired by many, despite being the biggest **** of all in getting his move from Liverpool. I can't bring myself to dislike Coutinho all that much when there's a much worse example. Gloat over his subsequent failure, yes.

The thing with both Suarez and Coutinho is after there initial sulk they got on and played some great football.

Unlike Sterling and his agent who continued to agitate for a move during the tail end of the season.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7882 on: January 11, 2022, 04:36:59 pm »
Some of his family members were also involved. I bet they are very happy because he got more money at Barca and got super rich, it means they got rich too, since south americans like to help their relatives financially. His missus on Instagram seemed very happy too enjoying life in sunny Spain. The only person who was sponsoring them all, ironically was the unhappiest one, Coutinho.
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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7883 on: January 11, 2022, 06:04:14 pm »
Some of his family members were also involved. I bet they are very happy because he got more money at Barca and got super rich, it means they got rich too, since south americans like to help their relatives financially. His missus on Instagram seemed very happy too enjoying life in sunny Spain. The only person who was sponsoring them all, ironically was the unhappiest one, Coutinho.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7884 on: January 12, 2022, 01:47:31 am »
Four years doesn't seem that long ago, man what a trip.


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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7885 on: January 12, 2022, 07:26:26 am »
Some of his family members were also involved. I bet they are very happy because he got more money at Barca and got super rich, it means they got rich too, since south americans like to help their relatives financially. His missus on Instagram seemed very happy too enjoying life in sunny Spain. The only person who was sponsoring them all, ironically was the unhappiest one, Coutinho.

Lets keep his family out of the discussion. I mean, he earns the money he earns to keep them happy. Thats all. Dont we all?

We are better than that mate.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7886 on: January 12, 2022, 04:55:49 pm »
Lets keep his family out of the discussion. I mean, he earns the money he earns to keep them happy. Thats all. Dont we all?

We are better than that mate.

That's the problem, he keeps them happy while they don't give two shits about his happiness, or else they wouldn't ill-adviced him and ruin his career.
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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7887 on: January 12, 2022, 06:14:43 pm »
I don't think anyone thought at the time the move was going to ruin his career. He was going from a club that hadn't won a league title in almost 30 years to one of the three biggest teams in the world, which was just about to wrap up its seventh title win in a decade where they'd also won three Champions Leagues. Also hard to blame his wife for wanting to live in Barcelona, it's a great city.

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« Reply #7888 on: January 12, 2022, 06:45:24 pm »
Hopefully he plays at weekend and destroys United. Good luck to him. He was great with us until his transfer (& what surrounded that).

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« Reply #7889 on: January 12, 2022, 07:04:40 pm »
He's got form.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7890 on: January 12, 2022, 07:35:24 pm »
Four years doesn't seem that long ago, man what a trip.



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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7891 on: January 12, 2022, 07:37:23 pm »
That is not a happy smile.

It's a 'rictus grin'.

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« Reply #7892 on: January 12, 2022, 08:16:56 pm »
Bad pornstar moustache as well.
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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7893 on: January 12, 2022, 09:59:40 pm »
I don't think anyone thought at the time the move was going to ruin his career. He was going from a club that hadn't won a league title in almost 30 years to one of the three biggest teams in the world, which was just about to wrap up its seventh title win in a decade where they'd also won three Champions Leagues. Also hard to blame his wife for wanting to live in Barcelona, it's a great city.

We had Klopp, it was obvious for anyone with common sense that we'll win titles. It is a great city to live i agree, i wonder why he had to change it for Birmingham though?!
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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7894 on: January 12, 2022, 10:01:02 pm »
Bad pornstar moustache as well.

That's not really a star, more of a porn performer  ;D
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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7895 on: January 13, 2022, 12:19:28 am »
Weird to me to think his last memory of being at Villa Park would have been that 6-0 win where I believe he scored. I imagine that was on his mind as he stepped through the doors and to be honest it must have felt pretty grim. Ah well, they're in a better position than they where then and from their perspective it's a good loan signing.

Actually interested to see what would happen if he done really well. For what it's worth I can't see him getting anything more than a handful of goals and assists but if he did smash it and other clubs became interested he'd want better than Villa surely? If I was to hazard a guess now I think Barca will be ripping his contract up in the summer because I just don't think he'll deliver for them.
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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7896 on: January 13, 2022, 07:25:05 am »
That's the problem, he keeps them happy while they don't give two shits about his happiness, or else they wouldn't ill-adviced him and ruin his career.

Do you think he went to Barca expecting to fail and be sad?
Also, it doesnt matter whether or not they give two shits about his happiness. Also it doesnt matter whether they ill advised him or not.
He has a brain. He made the call. He left. For whatever reason under the sun and in the galaxy, he burned the bridges and left. Enough has been said about this.
Its about Coutinho. Lets keep the discussion involving his family out of this.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7897 on: January 13, 2022, 10:21:34 am »
Personally think he'll do really well at Villa. The fast pace league seems to suit him very well and if he can stay clear of injuries he'll be fine. Thing is he relies on runners and Barca don't really play that way so probably one of the main reason he struggled there.

Seen an article on Sky which suggested that he was keen on a return to us. He's burnt his bridges with both Klopp and the fans but from a selfish point of view, a 6 month loan could and probably would have suited us. He's better than anything we have on the bench just now and that includes the likes of Origi and Taki.

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« Reply #7898 on: January 13, 2022, 11:59:18 am »
I think he will do well too, Villa are similar to the levels we were when he first came into our team and he will fancy himself to be the main star, that suits him massively.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7899 on: January 13, 2022, 01:37:40 pm »
That is not a happy smile.
He's moved from Barcelona to Birmingham, I'm surprised he even managed to muster up a smile regardless of how fake it may be.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7900 on: January 13, 2022, 02:41:34 pm »
I think he will do well too, Villa are similar to the levels we were when he first came into our team and he will fancy himself to be the main star, that suits him massively.

Don't think Villa have one player - let alone two - that were anywhere near the level of Suarez or even an older Steven Gerrard.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7901 on: January 13, 2022, 06:37:43 pm »
Four years doesn't seem that long ago, man what a trip.



Wish him well this weekend against the Mancs and when they play our rivals but the schadenfreude I'm feeling looking at that photo is absolutely beautiful.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7902 on: January 14, 2022, 09:10:42 am »
Had a look back at his goals and assists for Liverpool. What a monster he was for us.  Think that player by and large has gone but Gerrard will know exactly how to play him and we could see glimpses.

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« Reply #7903 on: January 14, 2022, 12:55:14 pm »
Gerrard will play him in his best position and give him the arm around the shoulder no doubt.

Nowhere to hide now for Coutinho.  Its make or break for him.  He's in an environment now which he needs.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7904 on: January 15, 2022, 02:08:11 pm »
Gerrard will play him in his best position and give him the arm around the shoulder no doubt.

I'm not sure he will, Coutinho thinks his best position is a 10, but he just wasn't good enough for us there when Klopp tried it.  He's been at his best wide left.
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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7905 on: January 15, 2022, 02:18:10 pm »
The way he moved to Barcelona isn't dissimilar to the way that basically every player we've signed from Southampton or wherever else has behaved.


Like the time we forced a Southampton player to put on an LFC top and the time a Southampton player refused to play for them, citing an injured back?

I'm not denying big clubs tap up players from smaller clubs and gobble up their best players; I'm also not denying that we got a damned good price for Coutinho, crossed a line with Virgil and it ended up costing us. But Barcelona are levels above what we've ever done. There is an institutional arrogance at that club and a level of self entitlement beyond belief.

Our hands certainly aren't clean, but we're hardly Barcelona when it comes to picking up players. I don't think we've ever turned a player's head the way they do, and we've never insisted that a player does whatever it takes to force a move through?  Maybe someone can correct me on that though.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7906 on: January 15, 2022, 07:23:59 pm »
Haha. Awesome.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7907 on: January 15, 2022, 07:30:05 pm »
Hmmm maybe we should have offered to bring him 'home' on loan?! Not a bad debut for Villa..

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7908 on: January 15, 2022, 07:30:21 pm »
Phil!!  ;D :lmao

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7909 on: January 15, 2022, 07:31:19 pm »
Was great there, just instantly gave them a massive injection of quality.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7910 on: January 15, 2022, 07:41:45 pm »
Love coutinho, and he loves the Mancs.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7911 on: January 15, 2022, 07:43:04 pm »
Can't really believe the likes of Arsenal and Spurs weren't in for him. Even United. Like fair enough if the Stevie pull was strong for him, but he seems such a perfect gamble for any of the group of teams looking to get into the CL.

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« Reply #7912 on: January 15, 2022, 07:59:10 pm »
Can't really believe the likes of Arsenal and Spurs weren't in for him. Even United. Like fair enough if the Stevie pull was strong for him, but he seems such a perfect gamble for any of the group of teams looking to get into the CL.

Yeah, glad I can enjoy watching him play at Villa rather than have to hate him at United or Spurs or had he gone somewhere like Everton. Would rather he'd have come back here on loan though and he'll also be up for it when we go there.

I've said in the thread his decline has been exaggerated, it just didn't work out for him at Barcelona where every signing has flopped for years. He was fine at Bayern in a treble winning team in 19/20. Had a very good first 6 months at Barca but his face didn't fit after that.
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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7913 on: January 15, 2022, 08:13:26 pm »
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« Reply #7914 on: January 15, 2022, 08:19:31 pm »
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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7915 on: January 15, 2022, 09:25:19 pm »
he was never in the top bracket though was he? a good player who we got the absolute best out of but not consistent enough to be in the top bracket of player.

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« Reply #7916 on: January 15, 2022, 09:38:14 pm »
he was never in the top bracket though was he? a good player who we got the absolute best out of but not consistent enough to be in the top bracket of player.

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« Reply #7917 on: January 15, 2022, 09:56:15 pm »
Always loved watching him play and would have loved having him back here.

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« Reply #7918 on: January 15, 2022, 09:58:03 pm »
Always loved watching him play and would have loved having him back here.

After how he behaved he was never coming back here.
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« Reply #7919 on: January 16, 2022, 01:13:53 am »
he was never in the top bracket though was he? a good player who we got the absolute best out of but not consistent enough to be in the top bracket of player.

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