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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6920 on: April 20, 2024, 08:19:22 am »
My national pride on reading that one of the jurors was Irish-born, was quickly dashed when he said he gets his news from Fox and the Daily Mail. 🤦🏻

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6921 on: April 20, 2024, 11:39:08 am »
As expected, the self-immolator died. Seems he was a bit of a conspiracy nut. A Democrat in his youth who seemed to despise both Trump and Biden as fascists.

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« Reply #6922 on: April 20, 2024, 01:34:28 pm »
As expected, the self-immolator died. Seems he was a bit of a conspiracy nut. A Democrat in his youth who seemed to despise both Trump and Biden as fascists.

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« Reply #6923 on: April 20, 2024, 02:45:35 pm »
My national pride on reading that one of the jurors was Irish-born, was quickly dashed when he said he gets his news from Fox and the Daily Mail. 🤦🏻

And you are surprised ? Most of the "irish" over there are racist and support trump. I resent that they claim to be irish. They are just arse lickers.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6924 on: April 20, 2024, 02:50:43 pm »
The incident, the comment above, or both? Surely, both.

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« Reply #6925 on: April 20, 2024, 03:54:06 pm »
Thigh or breast ?
What kind of tortured soul would set fire to themselves? And to not even make a point. I fail to find anything funny about this, and I am not adverse to black humour.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6926 on: April 20, 2024, 04:10:42 pm »
If I cared, I would care too much & my life is full enough as it is. I am the same with mass shootings and when a toddler manages to kill a sibling.

Both was an option, no need to be shy.
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« Reply #6927 on: April 20, 2024, 04:39:56 pm »
And you are surprised ? Most of the "irish" over there are racist and support trump. I resent that they claim to be irish. They are just arse lickers.

For Irish-Americans, no, I'm not suprised (I'm related to many). But, for someone who is actually Irish by birth, I expect more.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6929 on: April 23, 2024, 12:25:38 pm »
Unpopular opinion time:

While I hope he's found guilty, I think this whole trial is a joke and an embarrassment. There's just no heinous crime there, no real victim. If you could say with confidence that it swayed the election I suppose you would have something, I just don't think it would have done anything to affect the result, none of it was shocking to anyone. He would've denied it anyway and those who believe him would have believed him, those that forgive anything he does would have forgiven him.

Let's say Bill Clinton had had to pay off Monica Lewinsky to keep that under wraps. And let's say he'd covered up the cash payment it with some creative campaign fund accounting, and then it came to light later. If he was up in a criminal court on felony charges, four years after his presidency, with a republican president in power, I think we'd all be screaming bloody murder.

Wrong, there is a crime, and there are 10s of millions of victims.  Whilst you might not care if someone, whilst standing for election, and having a new born at home, had an affair with an escort, you are in the minority in the States.  You only have to look at the Evangelicals, and GOP "Family First" values, to see that a non-neglible number of voters who voted for Trump in swing States would not have voted for him if they knew all the sordid details.

Whilst that covering up isn't a criminal crime, per se - as some on here said if he had paid her from his own money he wouldn't have committed a felony.  But he didn't - he fleeced his own supporters for money to support a campaign, and then spent that money to dupe them and make sure they didn't know about the affair instead of on the campaign.  I think it is fairly clear that, given the narrow win in many of the key swing states, Trump could easily have lost the election if he hadn't paid Stormy the hush money to deliberately suppress the information about his suitability and the Democrats could have campaigned on the issue.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6930 on: April 23, 2024, 02:58:22 pm »
Still alive, then? Disappointing.

Hopefully he’ll shit himself to death. If he somehow pulls through this and “wins” the election I’m quitting social media immediately. I might even move to Canada.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6931 on: April 23, 2024, 04:30:14 pm »
Wrong, there is a crime, and there are 10s of millions of victims.  Whilst you might not care if someone, whilst standing for election, and having a new born at home, had an affair with an escort, you are in the minority in the States.  You only have to look at the Evangelicals, and GOP "Family First" values, to see that a non-neglible number of voters who voted for Trump in swing States would not have voted for him if they knew all the sordid details.

Whilst that covering up isn't a criminal crime, per se - as some on here said if he had paid her from his own money he wouldn't have committed a felony.  But he didn't - he fleeced his own supporters for money to support a campaign, and then spent that money to dupe them and make sure they didn't know about the affair instead of on the campaign.  I think it is fairly clear that, given the narrow win in many of the key swing states, Trump could easily have lost the election if he hadn't paid Stormy the hush money to deliberately suppress the information about his suitability and the Democrats could have campaigned on the issue.

Yeah, I take your point. But only because Trump is so abhorrent, I'll grasp onto any straw that would have possibly stopped him being elected.

On a fundamental level though, I just don't think what goes on in a politician's (or any public figure - free Phillip Schofield!) private life is anyone's business, as long as it's not illegal. Why should an election be decided by a one-night stand that happened 10 years prior? It's completely irrelevant, or at least it should be. I have no moral qualm with Stormy getting some money out of the deal, and no moral qualm with Trump paying her to keep a private matter private.

And to take the unprecedented step of trying a former president - one who is running for re-election and has a lot of public support - I just feel like you should have a 'real' crime, something meatier than this. It's just an accounting entry, literally a paper crime. If he beats the case it's a huge embarrassment, and if he is convicted it just bolsters his claims of witch hunts and persecution.

If I understand correctly, the IRS weren't defrauded, Cohen had to pay income tax on the 130k so they actually got more revenue than they would have otherwise. As far as misuse of campaign funds, what do people spend campaign funds on? Ad spots on TV and youtube, feeding stories to friendly journalists to shape narratives, and so on. This seems like a pretty prudent use of campaign funds to be honest, keeping an embarrassing story like this off the air.

Anyway, not a hill I'm willing to die on, I'll keep my misgivings to myself. He is utter scum and I hope he is convicted, a felony conviction is what I wanted all along so I shouldn't be nitpicking it now I suppose.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6932 on: April 23, 2024, 04:40:44 pm »
Yeah, I take your point. But only because Trump is so abhorrent, I'll grasp onto any straw that would have possibly stopped him being elected.

On a fundamental level though, I just don't think what goes on in a politician's (or any public figure - free Phillip Schofield!) private life is anyone's business, as long as it's not illegal. Why should an election be decided by a one-night stand that happened 10 years prior? It's completely irrelevant, or at least it should be. I have no moral qualm with Stormy getting some money out of the deal, and no moral qualm with Trump paying her to keep a private matter private.

And to take the unprecedented step of trying a former president - one who is running for re-election and has a lot of public support - I just feel like you should have a 'real' crime, something meatier than this. It's just an accounting entry, literally a paper crime. If he beats the case it's a huge embarrassment, and if he is convicted it just bolsters his claims of witch hunts and persecution.

If I understand correctly, the IRS weren't defrauded, Cohen had to pay income tax on the 130k so they actually got more revenue than they would have otherwise. As far as misuse of campaign funds, what do people spend campaign funds on? Ad spots on TV and youtube, feeding stories to friendly journalists to shape narratives, and so on. This seems like a pretty prudent use of campaign funds to be honest, keeping an embarrassing story like this off the air.

Anyway, not a hill I'm willing to die on, I'll keep my misgivings to myself. He is utter scum and I hope he is convicted, a felony conviction is what I wanted all along so I shouldn't be nitpicking it now I suppose.

Well, you know, ethics and honesty are two qualities you may want your leader to exhibit..... just saying.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6933 on: April 23, 2024, 05:51:23 pm »
Yeah, I take your point. But only because Trump is so abhorrent, I'll grasp onto any straw that would have possibly stopped him being elected.

On a fundamental level though, I just don't think what goes on in a politician's (or any public figure - free Phillip Schofield!) private life is anyone's business, as long as it's not illegal. Why should an election be decided by a one-night stand that happened 10 years prior? It's completely irrelevant, or at least it should be. I have no moral qualm with Stormy getting some money out of the deal, and no moral qualm with Trump paying her to keep a private matter private.

And to take the unprecedented step of trying a former president - one who is running for re-election and has a lot of public support - I just feel like you should have a 'real' crime, something meatier than this. It's just an accounting entry, literally a paper crime. If he beats the case it's a huge embarrassment, and if he is convicted it just bolsters his claims of witch hunts and persecution.

If I understand correctly, the IRS weren't defrauded, Cohen had to pay income tax on the 130k so they actually got more revenue than they would have otherwise. As far as misuse of campaign funds, what do people spend campaign funds on? Ad spots on TV and youtube, feeding stories to friendly journalists to shape narratives, and so on. This seems like a pretty prudent use of campaign funds to be honest, keeping an embarrassing story like this off the air.

Anyway, not a hill I'm willing to die on, I'll keep my misgivings to myself. He is utter scum and I hope he is convicted, a felony conviction is what I wanted all along so I shouldn't be nitpicking it now I suppose.

Think I read before he’s facing something like 30 felony charges

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6934 on: April 23, 2024, 11:08:51 pm »

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6935 on: April 24, 2024, 07:40:16 am »
Well, you know, ethics and honesty are two qualities you may want your leader to exhibit..... just saying.
There's the hypocrisy, too - he's pitching himself to bible-belt America while living a life of utter sleaze.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6936 on: April 24, 2024, 08:04:48 am »
Don’t know to what extent if any Trump on trial is playing into current polling

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6937 on: April 24, 2024, 08:16:48 am »
Yeah, I take your point. But only because Trump is so abhorrent, I'll grasp onto any straw that would have possibly stopped him being elected.

On a fundamental level though, I just don't think what goes on in a politician's (or any public figure - free Phillip Schofield!) private life is anyone's business, as long as it's not illegal. Why should an election be decided by a one-night stand that happened 10 years prior? It's completely irrelevant, or at least it should be. I have no moral qualm with Stormy getting some money out of the deal, and no moral qualm with Trump paying her to keep a private matter private.

And to take the unprecedented step of trying a former president - one who is running for re-election and has a lot of public support - I just feel like you should have a 'real' crime, something meatier than this. It's just an accounting entry, literally a paper crime. If he beats the case it's a huge embarrassment, and if he is convicted it just bolsters his claims of witch hunts and persecution.

If I understand correctly, the IRS weren't defrauded, Cohen had to pay income tax on the 130k so they actually got more revenue than they would have otherwise. As far as misuse of campaign funds, what do people spend campaign funds on? Ad spots on TV and youtube, feeding stories to friendly journalists to shape narratives, and so on. This seems like a pretty prudent use of campaign funds to be honest, keeping an embarrassing story like this off the air.

Anyway, not a hill I'm willing to die on, I'll keep my misgivings to myself. He is utter scum and I hope he is convicted, a felony conviction is what I wanted all along so I shouldn't be nitpicking it now I suppose.
I know it feels a bit like capone going down for tax evasion. Rather than being leader of the mob. Right he goes down but for one of the least of his crimes.
I get your point though it's win win for him. Free publicity. Then either cleared or can claim witch hunt.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6938 on: April 24, 2024, 08:46:38 am »
John Stewart did a really good piece on the media hype around such basic trial. He make some really valid points especially if Trump gets off.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6939 on: April 24, 2024, 09:43:30 am »
And you are surprised ? Most of the "irish" over there are racist and support trump. I resent that they claim to be irish. They are just arse lickers.

Unfortunately too many Irish in the States have anti immigrant feelings as the next ethnicity move in to their neighbourhood n compete for their work. Hopefully it's only the minority but there's a few locals even here in Ireland have an unbelievable narrow minded view of the world.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6940 on: April 24, 2024, 10:46:38 am »
“It’s just an accounting error” is the wildest justification for something that was done deliberately TENS OF TIMES in order to influence the outcome of an election. The morality of him shagging a porn star whilst his newborn has just arrived, then approaching her to pay her off because his numbers with women already look bad, may not be concern you in your world, but multiple felonies committed to cover it up should give you pause. If you knew nothing else about the crook, surely you’d be asking yourself “what else has he done “?
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6941 on: April 24, 2024, 12:21:33 pm »
On a fundamental level though, I just don't think what goes on in a politician's (or any public figure - free Phillip Schofield!) private life is anyone's business, as long as it's not illegal. Why should an election be decided by a one-night stand that happened 10 years prior? It's completely irrelevant, or at least it should be. I have no moral qualm with Stormy getting some money out of the deal, and no moral qualm with Trump paying her to keep a private matter private.


I agree that generally speaking for public figures/celebrities, however I think politicians are a different case.
Firstly, because they have the ability to affect almost any aspect of the general public's life, I think people have a right to know the sort of person they are giving that power.
Secondly, because if a politician has something they are willing to commit crimes and pay hundred of thousands to keep secret, that would make them incredibly compromised and vulnerable to blackmail.

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« Reply #6942 on: April 24, 2024, 12:28:33 pm »
I agree that generally speaking for public figures/celebrities, however I think politicians are a different case.
Firstly, because they have the ability to affect almost any aspect of the general public's life, I think people have a right to know the sort of person they are giving that power.
Secondly, because if a politician has something they are willing to commit crimes and pay hundred of thousands to keep secret, that would make them incredibly compromised and vulnerable to blackmail.
There's also the context that Trump's campaign team were desperate to smear Hilary Clinton over using a private email server.  If you're going to run that kind of campaign then you need to be squeaky clean and paying off people to keep your skeletons in the closet is hugely dishonest.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6943 on: April 24, 2024, 12:50:47 pm »
The Assange/Russia wikileaks emails dump came out almost immediately after the Access Hollywood tape. An absolute coincidence, no doubt.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6944 on: April 25, 2024, 10:14:44 pm »
Trump loses his appeal against the E Jean Carroll defamation lawsuit. No doubt he will now demand it goes to the full appellate court - but I don't think they have to hear it if they don't want to.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6946 on: April 26, 2024, 11:18:06 am »
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/04/25/us/trump-immunity-supreme-court?campaign_id=190&emc=edit_ufn_20240425&instance_id=121531&nl=from-the-times&regi_id=72649922&segment_id=164792&te=1&user_id=6b626ef75d66f1d4f3ac5d9d1aad71c9&referringSource=articleShare

TL;DR version: he's going to get away with the big one (election interference). SCOTUS delivers again.

It does look like there is, currently, likely a 3-3-3 split between throwing the case out, completely agreeing and approving of full immunity, and refusing to judge on the merits and sending it back to the lower courts.

The latter is *NOT* a win - as the article argues, it would almost certainly delay the case in Georgia until after the November election - which if he then wins, would render him immune during his Presidency from the court case proceeding.

Based on his own arguments, if the SC does come down in favour of absolute immunity, Biden could just turn around and have him assassinated.  I don't think he is that much of a mad lad to do it, but there would be nothing wrong with it, based on the arguments being made, if that is what the SC agrees with.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6947 on: April 26, 2024, 11:37:24 am »
It does look like there is, currently, likely a 3-3-3 split between throwing the case out, completely agreeing and approving of full immunity, and refusing to judge on the merits and sending it back to the lower courts.

The latter is *NOT* a win - as the article argues, it would almost certainly delay the case in Georgia until after the November election - which if he then wins, would render him immune during his Presidency from the court case proceeding.

Based on his own arguments, if the SC does come down in favour of absolute immunity, Biden could just turn around and have him assassinated.  I don't think he is that much of a mad lad to do it, but there would be nothing wrong with it, based on the arguments being made, if that is what the SC agrees with.

Clarence 'Private Jet' Thomas intimating that JFK actions in trying to cause a coup in Cuba are probably no different to a president attempting to overturn an election result in the USA.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6948 on: April 26, 2024, 11:58:53 am »
Clarence 'Private Jet' Thomas intimating that JFK actions in trying to cause a coup in Cuba are probably no different to a president attempting to overturn an election result in the USA.

Alito's argument might be the stupidest of the bunch.  Basically he was saying if you *don't* give a POTUS complete immunity from prosecution, then that only encourages sitting Presidents, who lose an election, to launch a coup so that they don't have to leave office.  Absolutely batshit

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« Reply #6949 on: April 26, 2024, 01:52:06 pm »
LOL, even playing devil's advocate I can't figure out how that works

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6950 on: April 26, 2024, 02:22:02 pm »
Trump's idiot son, Eric, seems to have married someone similiarly dumb - Lara Trump, who has been "appointed" RNC Co-Chair did an interview claiming they had lawsuits in "81 States".  What actually happened was they had filed 80ish lawsuits *total* (and lost all of them).  hmm. 

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6951 on: April 29, 2024, 12:02:19 am »
Trump, presidents have full immunity and can do anything they want.
Also Trump, what Biden's doing is illegal and when he gets back in he's going to prosecute him for it... ::)

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6952 on: April 30, 2024, 11:51:13 am »
Trump, presidents have full immunity and can do anything they want.
Also Trump, what Biden's doing is illegal and when he gets back in he's going to prosecute him for it... ::)

totally see your point.
Curious to know though what Trump is claiming Biden is doing that's illegal.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6953 on: April 30, 2024, 12:51:06 pm »
totally see your point.
Curious to know though what Trump is claiming Biden is doing that's illegal.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6954 on: April 30, 2024, 03:01:25 pm »
The orange asshole found in contempt, nine counts max fine of $1,000 on each count, warned he may be jailed next time.

https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/D.O.motion4contempt-FINAL.pdf

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6955 on: April 30, 2024, 06:08:47 pm »
The orange asshole found in contempt, nine counts max fine of $1,000 on each count, warned he may be jailed next time.

https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/D.O.motion4contempt-FINAL.pdf
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6956 on: April 30, 2024, 09:42:10 pm »
The orange asshole found in contempt, nine counts max fine of $1,000 on each count, warned he may be jailed next time.

https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/D.O.motion4contempt-FINAL.pdf

Apparently 9 posts on his platform resulted in the fine.  They’ve since been deleted and then replaced by another one which ranted against the judge, which apparently is bizarrely allowed as per the terms of his gag order.

Who’d have guessed that a narcissist psychopath couldn’t restrain himself for even a day.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6957 on: May 2, 2024, 10:07:23 am »
In all his other indictments he's been told not to commit further crimes, yet here he is committing criminal contempt....

I do think all the gag order stuff is a side show though.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6958 on: May 2, 2024, 11:10:06 am »
The gag order stuff isn't a side show. Trump has actively engaged in witness intimidation and tried to influence the jury pool. He's also gone after the families of those running the case against him. It's mob boss behaviour. Stupid mob boss behaviour, perhaps, but that's what it is.

Glenn Kirschner pointed out that any criminal case Trump is currently indicted under (four) could now theoretically jail him.

Frankly, I think it's high time Biden started calling Trump, "Sleepy Don". Watch him lose his shit.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6959 on: May 2, 2024, 11:24:50 am »

“Dozy Don” for the double whammy. Or does that not translate?
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