Topic: Fabinho

[Keith Lard]

He’s not doing well. Never leave Liverpool

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[Terry de Niro]

He’s not doing well. Never leave Liverpool

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[BarryCrocker]

Picked up what looks to be his first ever red card.

[Yorkykopite]

Picked up what looks to be his first ever red card.

After getting sent off he had to return the watch he was given.

[Terry de Niro]

Looks like he's trying to remove that fella's head.

[So… Howard Philips]

Looks like he's trying to remove that fella's head.

Auditioning for the sinecure of state beheader?

[Hestoic]

After getting sent off he had to return the watch he was given.

The one that he dropped on the floor as he was given it? 

[Samie]

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Did he walk the pitch at half time ?

[gazzalfc]

Did he walk the pitch at half time ?

Nope. Same with bobby. Just a quick video with LFC TV on twitter.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Nope. Same with bobby. Just a quick video with LFC TV on twitter.

Before the fans got in, fucking cowards.

Would've loved to have been the one to tell them both that saying hello to the fans wouldn't be a good idea.

[newterp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oORId7o8T2Q

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Cowards.

[Chakan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oORId7o8T2Q

Could care less what they have to say. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[classycarra]

Did he walk the pitch at half time ?

no he had his fill of that during last season's games

wonder who's hosting the churrasco and piss up this week for the south americans and their extended families

[WhereAngelsPlay]

no he had his fill of that during last season's games

[newterp]

no he had his fill of that during last season's gameswonder who's hosting the churrasco and piss up this week for the south americans and their extended families

Diaz?

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Diaz?

Reverend Becker.

[The_Nomad]

Could care less what they have to say. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Genuine question; why the hate?

[paulrazor]

Genuine question; why the hate?

see Jordan Henderson

[Knight]

see Jordan Henderson

They're not identical though, there was clear hypocrisy with Henderson in a way that wasn't true of Fabinho or Firmino. Plus Firmino and Fabinho were clearly done but Henderson could have stayed on as an elder statesman, Milner type role, which Klopp clearly wanted. But Henderson chose to abandon us.

That's not to say I like their moves, I don't. But I don't think it's the same as Henderson.

[paulrazor]

Not really but what ever way you look at they took the blood money

No doubt Henderson comes off worse as he was our captain and spoke up against these regimes publicly and he comes off as the biggest hypocrite

However, anyone of our ex boys over there all took the money whatever way you look at it.

[AndyMuller]

It was quite scary how badly he regressed last season. I can't imagine he is pulling up any trees in Saudi either.

[Yorkykopite]

They're not identical though, there was clear hypocrisy with Henderson in a way that wasn't true of Fabinho or Firmino. Plus Firmino and Fabinho were clearly done but Henderson could have stayed on as an elder statesman, Milner type role, which Klopp clearly wanted. But Henderson chose to abandon us.

That's not to say I like their moves, I don't. But I don't think it's the same as Henderson.

I don't hate Fabinho (or Henderson or Gerrard for that matter). But I wonder about the logic in your post. Hypocrisy is the minor crime in all this. But it's overwhelmed by the major crime which is choosing to play in a savage land like Saudi Arabia where political dissidence is met with execution. That Fabinho and Firmino never said anything positive about, say, gay rights does not make them 'better' people than Henderson who once did.

As for Henderson's probable usefulness to Liverpool this season, that should be neither here nor there. In citing it as an additional 'crime' I think you end by relativising the major one.

I wish the club had made it clear to all three players that in choosing to play in Saudi they would make it very difficult for themselves ever to be welcomed back to Anfield. Then they could have gone with their eyes wide open. Who knows? It might even have raised their political consciousness a notch. Which is never a bad thing.

[Simplexity]

Not really but what ever way you look at they took the blood money

No doubt Henderson comes off worse as he was our captain and spoke up against these regimes publicly and he comes off as the biggest hypocrite

However, anyone of our ex boys over there all took the money whatever way you look at it.

Players have played for morally dubious at best owners for 50 years. Why does it matter now? Genuine question.

[So… Howard Philips]

Players have played for morally dubious at best owners for 50 years. Why does it matter now? Genuine question.

Care to name any UK based dubious owners other than the usual suspects?

[Simplexity]

Care to name any UK based dubious owners other than the usual suspects?

In England? Actually not that many. Abroad quite a few. AC Milan, Real Madrid, Juventus, literally every single Russian club ever.

[Yorkykopite]

Players have played for morally dubious at best owners for 50 years. Why does it matter now? Genuine question.

Because there are levels of moral dubiousness. I'm probably a bit morally dubious, as are you. So, no doubt, is John Henry. But none of us go around chopping people's heads off because we don't like what they say. The Saudi Arabian regime is depraved.

[Terry de Niro]

I don't hate Fabinho (or Henderson or Gerrard for that matter). But I wonder about the logic in your post. Hypocrisy is the minor crime in all this. But it's overwhelmed by the major crime which is choosing to play in a savage land like Saudi Arabia where political dissidence is met with execution. That Fabinho and Firmino never said anything positive about, say, gay rights does not make them 'better' people than Henderson who once did.

As for Henderson's probable usefulness to Liverpool this season, that should be neither here nor there. In citing it as an additional 'crime' I think you end by relativising the major one.

I wish the club had made it clear to all three players that in choosing to play in Saudi they would make it very difficult for themselves ever to be welcomed back to Anfield. Then they could have gone with their eyes wide open. Who knows? It might even have raised their political consciousness a notch. Which is never a bad thing.

Because there are levels of moral dubiousness. I'm probably a bit morally dubious, as are you. So, no doubt, is John Henry. But none of us go around chopping people's heads off because we don't like what they say. The Saudi Arabian regime is depraved.

Exactly as I see it.

Excellent points and posts-Yorky.

[paulrazor]

Players have played for morally dubious at best owners for 50 years. Why does it matter now? Genuine question.

good question to be fair but as others have said

None of us are Angels I am sure, We have all done something stupid and probably immoral but its a different kettle of fish altogether and dubiousness is at a different level there when people are beheaded for having different beliefs

[redgriffin73]

no he had his fill of that during last season's games

[Qston]

good question to be fair but as others have said

None of us are Angels I am sure, We have all done something stupid and probably immoral but its a different kettle of fish altogether and dubiousness is at a different level there when people are beheaded for having different beliefs

And the fact your income comes from them pretty much directly.

I get the arguments about "would you turn it down" etc etc etc. The key difference though is that your employer beheads people and doesn`t abide by any real law that any of us would see as 'just'

[Redley]

Weren't Bobby and Fab supporters of Bolsonaro? So probably unfairly on Henderson....they're probably seen as less hypocritical because we already knew they had very dubious morals.

[rob1966]

Weren't Bobby and Fab supporters of Bolsonaro? So probably unfairly on Henderson....they're probably seen as less hypocritical because we already knew they had very dubious morals.

Henderson gets it more because he was very vocal about LGBTQ+ rights, how he couldn't ever get his head around people being victimised due to their sexuality etc etc - then he moves to a country where you get executed for being gay, women are 2nd class citizens, human rights are non existent. His new club even greyed out the rainbow armband in their welcome video/pics.

[newterp]

I don't hate Fabinho, Firmino, Gini, Gerrard, Mane, or Henderson.

However - I don't care about them anymore, either.

And I also won't forget how much joy they brought me over the years.

So, with that said - as noted upthread - I'm not the least bit impressed with them going to Saudi (especially Henderson after all their comments, and Gerrard - come on man - try to rebuild your managerial rep) and think less of them for it.

[paulrazor]

I don't hate Fabinho, Firmino, Gini, Gerrard, Mane, or Henderson.

However - I don't care about them anymore, either.

And I also won't forget how much joy they brought me over the years.

So, with that said - as noted upthread - I'm not the least bit impressed with them going to Saudi (especially Henderson after all their comments, and Gerrard - come on man - try to rebuild your managerial rep) and think less of them for it.

spot on this

[GreatEx]

Would Fabinho and Firmino get booed if they walked the pitch in front of supporters? I have total disdain for their career move, but wouldn't abuse them. I would probably just watch them mutely. Maybe that's what they and/or the club were afraid of: the awkward silence.

[redgriffin73]

Would Fabinho and Firmino get booed if they walked the pitch in front of supporters? I have total disdain for their career move, but wouldn't abuse them. I would probably just watch them mutely. Maybe that's what they and/or the club were afraid of: the awkward silence.

To be honest I reckon enough people would still probably have cheered them but maybe the club didn't want to risk it. Hell, there's people who would cheer Hendo and Gerrard as well I imagine. I'd make sure I was on the concourse I think.

[Black Bull Nova]

I wish the club had made it clear to all three players that in choosing to play in Saudi they would make it very difficult for themselves ever to be welcomed back to Anfield. Then they could have gone with their eyes wide open. Who knows? It might even have raised their political consciousness a notch. Which is never a bad thing.

Maybe but then I think the club saw both departing as an opportunity as well as a threat, getting £40m for Fabinho probably suited, even if the timing was not good, they may have said something but then probably put nothing in his way

[paulrazor]

Maybe but then I think the club saw both departing as an opportunity as well as a threat, getting £40m for Fabinho probably suited, even if the timing was not good, they may have said something but then probably put nothing in his way

yeah it was way too good to turn down

He was 30 and last season he was poor

Endo in for a 24m profit, good business