Topic: Newcastle - RIP Jamal Khashoggi; Free Salma al-Shehab

[Red Beret]

Bottom line: many (most?) Newcastle fans would have happily have seen their club taken over by a murderous regime if it would have given them access to a bottomless pit of money.  They don't care about the murder, the enslavement, the torture, the imprisonment.

Whenever a Toon fan starts kicking off, just say that to them.

[Brian Blessed]

A bigger twat?! Cheers pal - love you too

Great article this;

http://www.true-faith.co.uk/takeover-completely-missing-the-point/

What do you hope to achieve posting this sort of thing here? You’re just coming off as desperate and bitter. That was not you a few month ago.

[rafathegaffa83]

Bottom line: many (most?) Newcastle fans would have happily have seen their club taken over by a murderous regime if it would have given them access to a bottomless pit of money.  They don't care about the murder, the enslavement, the torture, the imprisonment.

You'd see that with fans of plenty of clubs. As long as they are winning and spending loads every summer most won't give a shit unless it directly impacts them

[So… Howard Philips]

An odd point

Because if Saudi had stopped the ban in BeIn sports in their country and had committed to stopping their piracy of the premier league in that 17 weeks....

Then Newcastle United would probably have new owners.

It’s an elephant in the room.

IT certainly us a very large elephant. The Premier League came about because of satellite television and has thrived because of it.

The Saudis must be naive or arrogant to think the the PL would sanction their ownership of a club without them stopping the intellectual property theft.

Arrogant and naive. So used to getting their own way they didn't consider other commercial forces. I suppose when you are exceedingly rich because you sit on a load of oil which the Americans exploit on your behalf you don't really operate in a competitive environment.

[TepidT2O]

IT certainly us a very large elephant. The Premier League came about because of satellite television and has thrived because of it.

The Saudis must be naive or arrogant to think the the PL would sanction their ownership of a club without them stopping the intellectual property theft.

Arrogant and naive. So used to getting their own way they didn't consider other commercial forces. I suppose when you are exceedingly rich because you sit on a load of oil which the Americans exploit on your behalf you don't really operate in a competitive environment.

No, they thought they’d be greedy...

Quite surprised they didn’t let it pass for that very reason

[Caligula?]

Too think these where most peoples 'second team' when Rafa was there (not mine!) Imagine he ever went back, I would sense a fair amount of forgiveness in the air...no mater who the owners!

Yeah, the wanking off was nauseating. I didn't give a fuck about them when he was there and couldn't give one now either. But that's just how some of our fans are; Rafa could go and manage Pyongyang FC and they'd become some people's 'second team.'

[Skeeve]

There were also plenty of people who were happy to see Rafa do well (if it did us no harm) without them all being lumped into Newcastle being anyone's second team though.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

There were also plenty of people who were happy to see Rafa do well (if it did us no harm) without them all being lumped into Newcastle being anyone's second team though.

I wanted them relegated to give Rafa an out & the silly bastard stuck around and got them back up 

[red1977]

Yeah, the wanking off was nauseating. I didn't give a fuck about them when he was there and couldn't give one now either. But that's just how some of our fans are; Rafa could go and manage Pyongyang FC and they'd become some people's 'second team.'

Maybe people just wanted to see Rafa do well?. Just a thought.

[Red Beret]

You'd see that with fans of plenty of clubs. As long as they are winning and spending loads every summer most won't give a shit unless it directly impacts them

Of course.  But instead of listen to them fucking whine about how corrupt the Premier League is, hidden agendas, piracy, big clubs' opposition, etc, I'd just like to douse them in an ice bucket of that fact and have them fucking admit they just wanted the thirty pieces of silver.

[afc tukrish]

There were also plenty of people who were happy to see Rafa do well (if it did us no harm) without them all being lumped into Newcastle being anyone's second team though.

Yes, but that didn't enable Caligula's hissy fit, so...

[Red Beret]

There were also plenty of people who were happy to see Rafa do well (if it did us no harm) without them all being lumped into Newcastle being anyone's second team though.

Newcastle were never my second team.  My opinion has varied over the years.  Had a bit of a soft spot for them in the 90s under Keegan, and felt no small amount of concern and pity for them when Ashley came along.  But then they seemed to develop this air of self entitlement completely unbefitting for a club of their modest stature. If I'm honest by that point I felt rather contemptuous towards them, and I laughed my socks off when they got relegated with Michael Owen. 

Under Rafa my feelings mellowed more to what I felt when Keegan was in charge, but this whole Saudi situation has really exposed their ugly streak for me.  The abused desperate to become the abuser - like City they were looking forward to kicking sand in everybody else's faces for a change.

I realise it's hard when your club that you love is a laughing stock that attracts pity, but that's honestly not our fault.  Instead of lashing out at all and sundry over why it never happened they need to ask themselves why they wanted it to happen in the first place.

[Lynx the saucy mynx]

Just seen someone call Amanda Staveley on Twitter "The Queen of the North".

[newterp]

Just seen someone call Amanda Staveley on Twitter "The Queen of the North".

She’s resembling a white walker more than ever

[RedSince86]

She’s resembling a white walker more than ever

[ScouserAtHeart]

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emersonmalone/saudi-arabia-missing-kids-hit-squad-saad-aljabri-mbs

Lovely bunch of lads though.

[Tobelius]

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emersonmalone/saudi-arabia-missing-kids-hit-squad-saad-aljabri-mbs

Lovely bunch of lads though.

But..but.. what about their fans long suffering under Mike Ashley's ownership.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emersonmalone/saudi-arabia-missing-kids-hit-squad-saad-aljabri-mbs

Lovely bunch of lads though.

The father Saad Aljabri knew what would happen,so he is really to blame & the Prince is the actual victim..

[Tesco tearaway]

The father Saad Aljabri knew what would happen,so he is really to blame & the Prince is the actual victim..

Soonds canny tiv us.

[El Lobo]

Yeah but

A bigger twat?! Cheers pal - love you too

Great article this;

http://www.true-faith.co.uk/takeover-completely-missing-the-point/

[JerseyKloppite]

A bigger twat?! Cheers pal - love you too

Great article this;

http://www.true-faith.co.uk/takeover-completely-missing-the-point/

It makes the odd interesting point about retrospectively applying moral and ethical standards to existing PL owners but the rest of it is rancid cr*p posted by some far right chump. It smacks of bitterness and nothing else. Essentially saying “I’m in favour of ethical standards but not if they impact me”.

The bit where he whinges about the “liberal media” tells you all you need to know. If you share this kind of crap in here again you can find another forum.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

It makes the odd interesting point about retrospectively applying moral and ethical standards to existing PL owners but the rest of it is rancid cr*p posted by some far right chump. It smacks of bitterness and nothing else. Essentially saying “I’m in favour of ethical standards but not if they impact me”.

The bit where he whinges about the “liberal media” tells you all you need to know. If you share this kind of crap in here again you can find another forum.

And they thought that they got Rafa,not a fucking clue about him,not one between the lot of the c*nts.

[Paully]

It makes the odd interesting point about retrospectively applying moral and ethical standards to existing PL owners but the rest of it is rancid cr*p posted by some far right chump. It smacks of bitterness and nothing else. Essentially saying “I’m in favour of ethical standards but not if they impact me”.

The bit where he whinges about the “liberal media” tells you all you need to know. If you share this kind of crap in here again you can find another forum.

"Find another forum"

Jesus Christ!

[McSquared]

Would love it, love it for these to get relegated next season

[El Lobo]

"Find another forum"

Jesus Christ!

And rightly so.

There’s a lot of oppositions fans on here and the vast majority just get on with it, as you did before this whole takeover nonsense. But since then you’ve utterly embarrassed yourself and instead of holding your hands up and admitting you got swept up in the excitement and ignored all the horrific human rights issues....you’ve just doubled down on the ‘poor Newcastle and the poor Saudi’s being picked on by the Premier League cartel’ and acknowledged absolutely nothing of the issues around those people who thankfully now aren’t able to turn your football club into a toy.

[Tesco tearaway]

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emersonmalone/saudi-arabia-missing-kids-hit-squad-saad-aljabri-mbs

Lovely bunch of lads though.

What are your thoughts on this Paully?

[boots]

This is the world right now in a nutshell. I dont care about abuse as long as we get the money. Money money money. Money is all anyone cares about. Murder, torture, oppression? Doesnt matter, theyre arabs not us. Just give us the money to buy players and watch football. Thats more important than the systematic killing and torture of human beings. Just give me the money. As long as we get a little trinket, we condone the slaughter. Fuck you, I'm alright Jack.

[CraigDS]

"Find another forum"

Jesus Christ!

Interesting. Is it the hard line 100% control of the RAWK regime you’ve got a problem with....?!

[leroy]

So I don't understand why the "17 weeks without a decision" bit is presented as some kind of silver bullet statement. 

I can see a pretty simple scenario to account for the time and process.

Bid goes in to the Premier League. 
Premier League says - well you need to meet x and y criteria that aren't addressed here.
Back and forth along those lines with x and y never quite being met.
Bid "withdrawn".

Pretty basic... and if the criteria (i.e. Links to state ownership and subsequent state ignorance of pirate broadcasts) aren't addressed to their satisfaction then why would they need to "make a decision"?

[Tesco tearaway]

Interesting. Is it the hard line 100% control of the RAWK regime you’ve got a problem with....?!

[Crosby Nick]

An even better chart, as you can see this means....something.

I was sceptical at first but now that they cleared things up with that pictogram I’ve signed the petition.

[Original]

I was sceptical at first but now that they cleared things up with that pictogram I’ve signed the petition.

Sugar Brady sounds like a stripper, how have exotic dancers influenced this decision?

[Crosby Nick]

Sugar Brady sounds like a stripper, how have exotic dancers influenced this decision?

And only an apprentice stripper at that.

[JRed]

This is the world right now in a nutshell. I dont care about abuse as long as we get the money. Money money money. Money is all anyone cares about. Murder, torture, oppression? Doesnt matter, theyre arabs not us. Just give us the money to buy players and watch football. Thats more important than the systematic killing and torture of human beings. Just give me the money. As long as we get a little trinket, we condone the slaughter. Fuck you, I'm alright Jack.

Sad but true.
It beggars belief what the Geordies will turn a blind eye to just to get their hands on the Carabou Cup.

[surfer. Fuck you generator.]

It makes the odd interesting point about retrospectively applying moral and ethical standards to existing PL owners but the rest of it is rancid cr*p posted by some far right chump. It smacks of bitterness and nothing else. Essentially saying “I’m in favour of ethical standards but not if they impact me”.

The bit where he whinges about the “liberal media” tells you all you need to know. If you share this kind of crap in here again you can find another forum.

It took me a few seconds with a google search to figure no,  Michael Martin probably isn't a far right chump:

Spoiler

True Faith, a popular and widely-read Newcastle United fanzine, has decided to give Coalition of Resistance regular space in its pages. This follows the coalition making a big impact on the historic 26 March TUC demonstration. Michael Martin from True Faith explains why a football fanzine is actively supporting Coalition of Resistance.

It may seem a little odd that a football fanzine should express a political view regarding the current (first) wave of cuts to public spending. Odd only, however, if you believe people live and breathe in nice neat little silos and don't have any social experience outside the little box they are associated with being in.

I grew up in the 1980s on Tyneside. What young people had in terms of fantastic music to listen to (The Specials, New Order, The Clash, The Jam, The Smiths et al) we lacked in life opportunities as Thatcherite monetary policy accelerated the decline of the North East's staple industries of coal-mining, shipbuilding and manufacturing. But it wasn't just young people who saw their lives narrowing in front of them.

Good, hard-working, salt-of-the-earth people from the North East were thrown onto the scrap heap. Lives were destroyed, families and communities torn apart. The North East has never recovered.

Back then we were all told by the Tory government that there was no alternative. Sound familiar? We were told those old industries were dead and had to go as the country could not afford to prop them up. It wasn't political ideology, apparently. Looking back now, almost thirty years after that Thatcherite hey-day, such denials seem laughable.

Ironic then, that the financial services sector, which was heralded throughout the 80s and 90s by the Tory government as representing the new prosperity, should have caused the global financial crisis. Ironic again that Osborne should be pinning his hopes of economic growth on the resurgence of a manufacturing sector his political fellow travellers did so much to destroy around all regions of the United Kingdom.

But hey, this isn't political, we really do have no alternative. It isn't political ideology. We have no choice. Swallowing it?

Supporting a football club, particulalry one like Newcastle United, is an expression of civic pride, and the people responsible for the running of a daft football magazine are at heart northern patriots who want the region to prosper and thrive. And we'd like to win some football matches as well.

The destruction of jobs and services now underway threatens the social fabric of life in our region. These cuts will make life miserable for everyone. No-one is immune.

We are happy to put the fanzine and website at the disposal of the Coalition of Resistance and support action which opposes the brutish destruction of life in the North East of England. Its only a small token, we don't imagine this gesture will shake the foundations of the establishment, but its our little contribution and, as the man said, we are all in this together aren't we?

"The allocation of resources, is the religion of politics" - Aneurin Bevan.

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I have no idea why you're still here,  Paully.  Your club,  your life,  you don't need our approval. Spend your time better man,  for your own health.

[newterp]

I was sceptical at first but now that they cleared things up with that pictogram I’ve signed the petition.

I couldn't do it. It's telling me to take PCP and that's not right. Drugs are bad (clearly).

[Stubbins]

"Find another forum"

Jesus Christ!

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/nufc-august-2020-they-thought-they-were-the-richest-club-in-the-world.1524984/page-224

Try this one Paully. You might get a warmer welcome amongst your Mackem friends, then again maybe not!. Their opinion of you lot is not too dissimilar to us but they seem to be greatly enjoying your agitation. Highly amusing stuff.

[Skeeve]

It took me a few seconds with a google search to figure no,  Michael Martin probably isn't a far right chump:

Spoiler

True Faith, a popular and widely-read Newcastle United fanzine, has decided to give Coalition of Resistance regular space in its pages. This follows the coalition making a big impact on the historic 26 March TUC demonstration. Michael Martin from True Faith explains why a football fanzine is actively supporting Coalition of Resistance.

It may seem a little odd that a football fanzine should express a political view regarding the current (first) wave of cuts to public spending. Odd only, however, if you believe people live and breathe in nice neat little silos and don't have any social experience outside the little box they are associated with being in.

I grew up in the 1980s on Tyneside. What young people had in terms of fantastic music to listen to (The Specials, New Order, The Clash, The Jam, The Smiths et al) we lacked in life opportunities as Thatcherite monetary policy accelerated the decline of the North East's staple industries of coal-mining, shipbuilding and manufacturing. But it wasn't just young people who saw their lives narrowing in front of them.

Good, hard-working, salt-of-the-earth people from the North East were thrown onto the scrap heap. Lives were destroyed, families and communities torn apart. The North East has never recovered.

Back then we were all told by the Tory government that there was no alternative. Sound familiar? We were told those old industries were dead and had to go as the country could not afford to prop them up. It wasn't political ideology, apparently. Looking back now, almost thirty years after that Thatcherite hey-day, such denials seem laughable.

Ironic then, that the financial services sector, which was heralded throughout the 80s and 90s by the Tory government as representing the new prosperity, should have caused the global financial crisis. Ironic again that Osborne should be pinning his hopes of economic growth on the resurgence of a manufacturing sector his political fellow travellers did so much to destroy around all regions of the United Kingdom.

But hey, this isn't political, we really do have no alternative. It isn't political ideology. We have no choice. Swallowing it?

Supporting a football club, particulalry one like Newcastle United, is an expression of civic pride, and the people responsible for the running of a daft football magazine are at heart northern patriots who want the region to prosper and thrive. And we'd like to win some football matches as well.

The destruction of jobs and services now underway threatens the social fabric of life in our region. These cuts will make life miserable for everyone. No-one is immune.

We are happy to put the fanzine and website at the disposal of the Coalition of Resistance and support action which opposes the brutish destruction of life in the North East of England. Its only a small token, we don't imagine this gesture will shake the foundations of the establishment, but its our little contribution and, as the man said, we are all in this together aren't we?

"The allocation of resources, is the religion of politics" - Aneurin Bevan.

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I have no idea why you're still here,  Paully.  Your club,  your life,  you don't need our approval. Spend your time better man,  for your own health.

The problem is that if he isn't a far right chump then he is more than happy to use the right's asinine "liberal media" tag when it suits him, practically invalidating any other points immediately and it is no wonder that the article drew the response it did on here.

[Skeeve]

Craziest thing with all this stuff is just how organised the geordies seem to have got in their efforts to get their tantrums heard, where was this enthusiasm for an ownership in the past as they seem to have done fuck all to try and get Ashley out until they have got sight of a cityesque lottery win as the replacement.

[ScouserAtHeart]

Craziest thing with all this stuff is just how organised the geordies seem to have got in their efforts to get their tantrums heard, where was this enthusiasm for an ownership in the past as they seem to have done fuck all to try and get Ashley out until they have got sight of a cityesque lottery win as the replacement.

I really don't believe they got organised by themselves