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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1000 on: August 23, 2022, 10:03:18 am »
It probably doesn't help that w eplayed every game possible last season. We were looking jaded going into the last half dozen games, this looks like a hangover from that.

All the more reason to refresh the squad though of course. That was a massive oversight.

City also reached the CL semi and FA Cup semi and had to go flat out for the title till the last minute of the season with a smaller squad, so although the toil on us was more they were in a similar boat.
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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1001 on: August 23, 2022, 10:10:26 am »
All the more reason to refresh the squad though of course. That was a massive oversight.

City also reached the CL semi and FA Cup semi and had to go flat out for the title till the last minute of the season with a smaller squad, so although the toil on us was more they were in a similar boat.

Again we can only comment on what we read but City apparently went for a lighter approach to pre-season, probably because of the smaller squad and because they will have far more players at the world cup than we will.

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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1002 on: August 23, 2022, 10:12:47 am »
All the more reason to refresh the squad though of course. That was a massive oversight.

City also reached the CL semi and FA Cup semi and had to go flat out for the title till the last minute of the season with a smaller squad, so although the toil on us was more they were in a similar boat.
I'd guess City were able to spread their minutes across their squad better than us as their squad/back-up players are much better.

We've had a brilliant 12-13 players for a few seasons but we heavily rely on them. 
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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1003 on: August 23, 2022, 10:28:49 am »
It's just the Ox and Keita signings that have really fucked us. We really can't afford to get any big signings wrong, unlike the teams we're competing with
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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1004 on: August 23, 2022, 10:33:34 am »
It's just the Ox and Keita signings that have really fucked us. We really can't afford to get any big signings wrong, unlike the teams we're competing with
Arguably also Thiago but to a lesser extent.  When he plays he lifts the whole team but when he doesn't there's nobody remotely similar to him to step in.  That would be less of a problem if he wasn't so injury prone.

Having the three of them missing so much is definitely a problem.

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« Reply #1005 on: August 23, 2022, 10:58:27 am »
It's just the Ox and Keita signings that have really fucked us. We really can't afford to get any big signings wrong, unlike the teams we're competing with

But we have also compounded that by keeping them around and letting them basically run their contracts down.

Benteke was a dreadful signing but we quickly moved him on and even got our money back which was reinvested in Mane. On a lower scale it was becoming clear we couldn't rely on Ings's fitness so he was moved on which freed up a squad place for Jota. Even Carroll was quickly jettisoned and we managed to get a lot of that ludicrous fee back.

Ox and Keita should have been moved on sooner and replaced with similar profile players to what we hoped we were getting when we signed them. So ultimately Klopp suffers from having to operate with one hand tied behind his back compared to City - or the money pits at Chelsea and United - but we really need to be more ruthless than we are. We're not a retirement home.

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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1006 on: August 23, 2022, 11:09:18 am »
But we have also compounded that by keeping them around and letting them basically run their contracts down.

Benteke was a dreadful signing but we quickly moved him on and even got our money back which was reinvested in Mane. On a lower scale it was becoming clear we couldn't rely on Ings's fitness so he was moved on which freed up a squad place for Jota. Even Carroll was quickly jettisoned and we managed to get a lot of that ludicrous fee back.

Ox and Keita should have been moved on sooner and replaced with similar profile players to what we hoped we were getting when we signed them. So ultimately Klopp suffers from having to operate with one hand tied behind his back compared to City - or the money pits at Chelsea and United - but we really need to be more ruthless than we are. We're not a retirement home.



Also think this was always going to happen though. I mean not the specifically the scenario we're facing now, but the key to our success over the last 4-5 years was getting basically every transfer bang on. That's just not sustainable no matter who you are. Even if only a couple of the key signings fail, we're in trouble.

We need that room for error that we're just unable to afford right now.
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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1007 on: August 23, 2022, 11:15:14 am »
Konate is the one who concerns me most, not a word about his injury, quite strange.

Also when's Jota due back? He's not the most reliable player out there is he?
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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1008 on: August 23, 2022, 11:20:29 am »
It probably doesn't help that w eplayed every game possible last season. We were looking jaded going into the last half dozen games, this looks like a hangover from that.

I wonder if we misjudged the effects of the previous season on the preparation for this one.  We may have pushed the players a little too hard leading to all of these muscle injuries. 

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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1009 on: August 23, 2022, 11:41:43 am »
But we have also compounded that by keeping them around and letting them basically run their contracts down.

Benteke was a dreadful signing but we quickly moved him on and even got our money back which was reinvested in Mane. On a lower scale it was becoming clear we couldn't rely on Ings's fitness so he was moved on which freed up a squad place for Jota. Even Carroll was quickly jettisoned and we managed to get a lot of that ludicrous fee back.

Ox and Keita should have been moved on sooner and replaced with similar profile players to what we hoped we were getting when we signed them. So ultimately Klopp suffers from having to operate with one hand tied behind his back compared to City - or the money pits at Chelsea and United - but we really need to be more ruthless than we are. We're not a retirement home.


I can't understand why Ox wasn't sold either last January or early in the summer. Just get him off the payroll.

I know there's a sense of the club having a certain value in mind for each player and barely deviating from that, in order to preserve the value of transfer fees we receive so to help the financial side of things. But when the market won't pay that price, we're stuck with the player on the books - and the financially-constricted way we operate, that blocks us going out and signing a player who would be more useful to us.

So, for the sake of the club insisting that 'player x' is worth £20m, when the market says "nah, £5-10m", we keep a player who isn't providing any value to the squad and don't sign a replacement who could improve us, citing that we already have too bloated a squad.

This practice has now left us with a midfield that, in reality, is now below the quality required to compete at the very top level (it's been second-best against 3 very ordinary teams that will be nowhere near the top of the league come the end of the season)

It's so frustrating because we're effectively now having to down-scale our expectations of the season, and are already likely too far behind to race to the title.

Even if we do buy a midfielder or two next summer, people like Virg and Mo are another year older; what if their effectiveness starts to wane? So then next season we reach mid-autumn, and the same discussion comes along of "We should have got another [insert position] in because we're now too thin in that area"

Success in football is a case of having a collection of players all playing at the highest level at the same time. That's what we had in that 2018 - 2021 period. But we've not effectively replaced players who have declined/are declining from that peak.It's not enough to have half a side at the required level and the other half not up to it. That's a recipe for the sort of pattern we saw under Evans/Houllier/Benitez/Rodgers.

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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1010 on: August 23, 2022, 12:05:09 pm »
I wonder if we misjudged the effects of the previous season on the preparation for this one.  We may have pushed the players a little too hard leading to all of these muscle injuries.
I had a quick check and we had 12 players who played +1000 minutes in the league last season, City had 16 players with +1000 minutes.

This shows we have a core group of 12-13 players who play most of our games wheras City have a stronger squad to spread those minutes out.
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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1011 on: August 23, 2022, 12:06:19 pm »
Also think this was always going to happen though. I mean not the specifically the scenario we're facing now, but the key to our success over the last 4-5 years was getting basically every transfer bang on. That's just not sustainable no matter who you are. Even if only a couple of the key signings fail, we're in trouble.

We need that room for error that we're just unable to afford right now.

Keita and Ox were both signed 5 years ago now though back in 2017 (although we got Keita a year later) so we could afford that to an extent. We've still had that success but Wijnaldum left and wasn't replaced and Henderson has got older and these two haven't been moved on to allow fresh blood.
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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1012 on: August 23, 2022, 12:09:02 pm »
Arguably also Thiago but to a lesser extent.  When he plays he lifts the whole team but when he doesn't there's nobody remotely similar to him to step in.  That would be less of a problem if he wasn't so injury prone.

Having the three of them missing so much is definitely a problem.

Thiago is so good you can put up with it, but we can’t afford any more “luxury” players. We have Keita, Ox too who miss too many games. Our previously dependable options Henderson and Milner are at an age where they can’t be expected to go
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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1013 on: August 23, 2022, 12:11:28 pm »
Konate is the one who concerns me most, not a word about his injury, quite strange.

Also when's Jota due back? He's not the most reliable player out there is he?

I think - like Jota's innocuous knee-knock 2 season ago - Konate's scans revealed something worse. The fact there is no news about him at all tell us it's a long lay-off.

Thiago - 6 week injury - mid to late september

Jota - end of this month - but 2 weeks later than planned

Ramsey - clearly another long term injury

Keita - will be out at least a month with his history

Matip - probably a month

Kelleher - also a long term injury it seems? (least important of the group)

EDIT - Ox - gone for 2 more months - but I didn't even remember he was injured because he's not even in the mix!
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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1014 on: August 23, 2022, 12:25:42 pm »
I think - like Jota's innocuous knee-knock 2 season ago - Konate's scans revealed something worse. The fact there is no news about him at all tell us it's a long lay-off.

Thiago - 6 week injury - mid to late september

Jota - end of this month - but 2 weeks later than planned

Ramsey - clearly another long term injury

Keita - will be out at least a month with his history

Matip - probably a month

Kelleher - also a long term injury it seems? (least important of the group)

EDIT - Ox - gone for 2 more months - but I didn't even remember he was injured because he's not even in the mix!

Grim stuff that
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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1015 on: August 23, 2022, 12:30:55 pm »
Jones?
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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1016 on: August 23, 2022, 01:52:01 pm »
fucking kills me to think that 3 weeks ago we were all talking about what a great strong squad we had and how the 5 subs rule was gonna tilt games in our favour.

now we have difficulty fielding a healthy 11......

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« Reply #1017 on: August 23, 2022, 02:28:22 pm »
Jones?

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« Reply #1018 on: August 23, 2022, 03:05:37 pm »
fucking kills me to think that 3 weeks ago we were all talking about what a great strong squad we had and how the 5 subs rule was gonna tilt games in our favour.

now we have difficulty fielding a healthy 11......

That was the killer at half time. Bad first half but only 1-0 down, you knew we had nothing on the bench though. Carvalho was the only offensive option we had, although he made a difference and should have been on a bit earlier really. Never mind 5 subs we only had 2 or 3 we could make (the rest were untested kids) so players having a mare stayed on.

If we had a strong bench we'd have made changes at half time and could have gone back into it but made no changes and it was more of the same and next thing it's 2-0. It was crying out for Nunez, Jota or even Keita.
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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1019 on: August 23, 2022, 07:50:37 pm »
I think - like Jota's innocuous knee-knock 2 season ago - Konate's scans revealed something worse. The fact there is no news about him at all tell us it's a long lay-off.

Thiago - 6 week injury - mid to late september

Jota - end of this month - but 2 weeks later than planned

Ramsey - clearly another long term injury

Keita - will be out at least a month with his history

Matip - probably a month

Kelleher - also a long term injury it seems? (least important of the group)

EDIT - Ox - gone for 2 more months - but I didn't even remember he was injured because he's not even in the mix!

Konate and Thiago completely change our team,  so depressing.

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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1020 on: August 23, 2022, 08:22:39 pm »
We have missed Jota the most so far this season in my opinion. He would have taken some of the pressure off Darwin and also whilst we have been crap if we were clinical we'd have   a lot more points

It definitely feels like we need to slog our way to the international break, maybe even shift system for that time too, when we should have a number of players back and can put the proper cogs in their positions

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« Reply #1021 on: August 24, 2022, 03:47:18 pm »
Jones (and Thiago) out at least the next 3 games...which isn't as bad as it seemed for Thiago - Bournemouth, Newcastle, Everton?


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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1022 on: August 24, 2022, 03:49:28 pm »
Jones (and Thiago) out at least the next 3 games...which isn't as bad as it seemed for Thiago - Bournemouth, Newcastle, Everton?



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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1023 on: August 24, 2022, 03:56:08 pm »
We have missed Jota the most so far this season in my opinion. He would have taken some of the pressure off Darwin and also whilst we have been crap if we were clinical we'd have   a lot more points

It definitely feels like we need to slog our way to the international break, maybe even shift system for that time too, when we should have a number of players back and can put the proper cogs in their positions

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« Reply #1024 on: August 24, 2022, 03:56:38 pm »
When's the international break?

Last two weeks of September.

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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1026 on: August 24, 2022, 03:57:36 pm »
does anyone know of a availability/injury list of our main players over the last 3 seasons?
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« Reply #1027 on: August 24, 2022, 03:58:13 pm »
Official?

it was tucked into that Maddock article

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« Reply #1028 on: August 24, 2022, 04:01:30 pm »
it was tucked into that Maddock article

Thanks. Id budgeted he is back after the international break. We have Chelsea before that, hope we can get him back for that but then maybe the club don't risk him?

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« Reply #1029 on: August 24, 2022, 04:05:58 pm »
We really need to sign players with exceptional injury history , no more players with previous red flags on the injury front .

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« Reply #1030 on: August 24, 2022, 04:10:53 pm »
We really need to sign players with exceptional injury history , no more players with previous red flags on the injury front .

Well....Keita didn't have an injury history.

Ox and Thiago....well that's on us.

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« Reply #1031 on: August 24, 2022, 04:38:31 pm »
Ox was fine. till that Roma c*nt poleaxed him
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« Reply #1032 on: August 24, 2022, 04:45:52 pm »
Ox was fine. till that Roma c*nt poleaxed him

I'm 99% sure he injured himself making a tackle?!?

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« Reply #1033 on: August 24, 2022, 04:47:23 pm »
I'm 99% sure he injured himself making a tackle?!?

he did.

And he had a bad injury history prior.

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« Reply #1034 on: August 24, 2022, 04:56:19 pm »
Well I'm still blaming Roma
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« Reply #1035 on: August 24, 2022, 05:34:52 pm »
When's the international break?

it's conveniently scheduled just in time for more of our players to get injured just as the currently-injured ones get back to training.

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« Reply #1036 on: August 25, 2022, 12:08:27 pm »
it's conveniently scheduled just in time for more of our players to get injured just as the currently-injured ones get back to training.

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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1037 on: August 25, 2022, 12:49:37 pm »
Ox was fine. till that Roma c*nt poleaxed him

He had a terrible injury history before that which concerned many when he was signed (more so than his ability).

He had 11 separate injuries over 5 years at Arsenal spanning at least a few weeks, a range of different injuries. Including 3 separate knee injuries, the first of which kept him out for 5 months.

Bearing in mind he was only 24 when we signed him.
Could have done with Grujic and even Chirivella to tide us over this season

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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1038 on: August 25, 2022, 01:07:46 pm »
it's conveniently scheduled just in time for more of our players to get injured just as the currently-injured ones get back to training.
Hopefully Southgate keeps faith with Maguire, Mings and Coady instead of calling up Gomez.  Three LFC games for Gomez to get up to speed followed by an injury on England duty would pretty much sum up our season to date.

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Re: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)
« Reply #1039 on: August 25, 2022, 01:19:29 pm »
Hopefully Southgate keeps faith with Maguire, Mings and Coady instead of calling up Gomez.  Three LFC games for Gomez to get up to speed followed by an injury on England duty would pretty much sum up our season to date.
agree 100% ... but I can't see Joe getting a call up to be honest.  he's hardly played for ages.  hope I'm right.  Trent is much more of a concern. plus Hendo

it's beyond England team though.  I think most of our starters will get called up for the next international break.