Topic: Harry Maguire considering his options thread

[thaddeus]

My (one) Manc mate says that ten Hag is going to switch to a back five against us.  I can't find any reliable sources reporting it but seems to be on a few fan sites.  It feels like after having spent years trying to get a tune out of Pogba they're now going to do the same with Maguire (plus his new £50m partner in crime).

[thaddeus]

SPORTbible
@sportbible

AC Milan and Inter Milan have been offered the chance to sign Cristiano Ronaldo but both clubs have REJECTED him.

(Via @tancredipalmeri)

They will know better than most the impact he had at Juve!

When De Gea was doing his confessional yesterday and was asked about their good pre-season form I was expecting him to say "Yeah, we didn't have Ronaldo for pre-season".  As I understand it they're part of the same clique though so not likely even with the general unprofessionalism we see from them these days.

[SvenJohansen]

Wow. That’s only going to increase injury risk.  They should be recovering.

I'd say they'll be okay. Doesn't use up much stamina just standing around with hands on hips looking bewildered.

[the_red_pill]

The Mam Utd  supporters trust has issued a statement urging supporters to hold the Glazers responsible .
It’s all gearing up for another peaceful protest at our game.

Hope the traveling fans will be safe.

[Bobinhood]

Actually i kind of like it. They have a week until the next game, nobody said they had to sprint or couldn't take breaks, its so early in the season you could look at it as an extended pre season session

you line them up, "right, you were outrun by 13k, off you go then, dont hurt yourself and you can go home whenever you're done." 30C.

the teams major problem is they are all lazy swelled heads who only run one way. You can do it in the game or you can do it in practice is exactly what they need. the proverbial kick up the ass. if not a literal one.

Plus they will break and revolt both, so its perfect.  Broken revolting angry tired prima donnas working hard at improving their craft. Nice.

[Son of Spion]

Oops, I quoted the wrong post. (Now removed).



Police and stewards should be all over this. It's a high risk fixture anyway, but the clubs and the authorities have had ample warning about planned disruption and disorder by united 'fans'. There is no excuse for letting it get out of hand this time. The Mancs should be paying for the much increased policing/security necessary.

The PL and/or police could do with having a word with Sky too. Gary Guevara cheerleading another riot from the safety of the Sky studio is not a good look, and damages the PL brand and its declining reputation further.

[MonsLibpool]

Oops, I quoted the wrong post. (Now removed).



Police and stewards should be all over this. It's a high risk fixture anyway, but the clubs and the authorities have had ample warning about planned disruption and disorder by united 'fans'. There is no excuse for letting it get out of hand this time. The Mancs should be paying for the much increased policing/security necessary.

The PL and/or police could do with having a word with Sky too. Gary Guevara cheerleading another riot from the safety of the Sky studio is not a good look, and damages the PL brand and its declining reputation further.

I included it in my pre-match OP draft. Misery loves company and some idiots might want to take advantage of the situation to cause mayhem.

[Peabee]

I'd say they'll be okay. Doesn't use up much stamina just standing around with hands on hips looking bewildered.

Haha. Fair point.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Looks like many Utd fans want our game boycotted.  If this happens our club, under no circumstance, should agree to postponement. It’s 3 points and we take the win, end of….

Should be written in football law.

If your fans get your game abandoned then it should be a 6 point deduction and your opposition awarded a 3-1 win

[thaddeus]

Should be written in football law.

If your fans get your game abandoned then it should be a 6 point deduction and your opposition awarded a 3-1 win

I dunno, that sounds a bit... Tory.  There needs to be room within football for protesting because there's a lot of bad owners out there.  Funnily enough, there are so many worse than the Glazers but that seems bit lost on the spoilt Man U fans.

When it comes to Man U and their last protest though I agree that it should have been punished.  It wasn't and the rearranged fixture was also the victim of attempted sabotage.  Again, not punished.

[thejbs]

I dunno, that sounds a bit... Tory.  There needs to be room within football for protesting because there's a lot of bad owners out there.  Funnily enough, there are so many worse than the Glazers but that seems bit lost on the spoilt Man U fans.

When it comes to Man U and their last protest though I agree that it should have been punished.  It wasn't and the rearranged fixture was also the victim of attempted sabotage.  Again, not punished.

I'd say forfeiting the game with a 3-0 is about right.  Nothing more. Had that happened last season, Utd's GD would've been better off.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I dunno, that sounds a bit... Tory.  There needs to be room within football for protesting because there's a lot of bad owners out there.  Funnily enough, there are so many worse than the Glazers but that seems bit lost on the spoilt Man U fans.

When it comes to Man U and their last protest though I agree that it should have been punished.  It wasn't and the rearranged fixture was also the victim of attempted sabotage.  Again, not punished.

 A bit Tory

You can protest whilst the game is going on.

[Red Beret]

I dunno, that sounds a bit... Tory.  There needs to be room within football for protesting because there's a lot of bad owners out there.  Funnily enough, there are so many worse than the Glazers but that seems bit lost on the spoilt Man U fans.

When it comes to Man U and their last protest though I agree that it should have been punished.  It wasn't and the rearranged fixture was also the victim of attempted sabotage.  Again, not punished.

Protest is fine, but when unruly fans force a game to be abandoned it's a whole different matter.

[ScouserAtHeart]

Massive difference between peaceful protests/walkouts and riots

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I dunno, that sounds a bit... Tory.  There needs to be room within football for protesting because there's a lot of bad owners out there.  Funnily enough, there are so many worse than the Glazers but that seems bit lost on the spoilt Man U fans.

When it comes to Man U and their last protest though I agree that it should have been punished.  It wasn't and the rearranged fixture was also the victim of attempted sabotage.  Again, not punished.

Can you talk me through that mate. Let's say a club is miffed and gets every other game abandoned. No big deal? Just keep re-arranging random games all through the season..? Season after season?

That sounds off it's head to me.

[Fruity]

I dunno, that sounds a bit... Tory.  There needs to be room within football for protesting because there's a lot of bad owners out there.  Funnily enough, there are so many worse than the Glazers but that seems bit lost on the spoilt Man U fans.

When it comes to Man U and their last protest though I agree that it should have been punished.  It wasn't and the rearranged fixture was also the victim of attempted sabotage.  Again, not punished.

I think if the fans try and abandon the game then they should definitely be punished. Best thing they could do is not turn up. That hits the owners in the pocket. If that stadium was empty for the next 10 weeks apart from away fans the owners would soon sell. Never gonna happen though.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

Why do they want our game boycotted? They are not our biggest rivals anymore and our game against them isn't the biggest of the season. I hate to say it, but our two biggest games of the season are against City, and City's against us. Neither Liverpool or City consider Manutd a rival club. They are irrelevant and like it's been said before, City will completely take over Manchester.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Why do they want our game boycotted? They are not our biggest rivals anymore and our game against them isn't the biggest of the season. I hate to say it, but our two biggest games of the season are against City, and City's against us. Neither Liverpool or City consider Manutd a rival club. They are irrelevant and like it's been said before, City will completely take over Manchester.

Well this is the mastermind behind the idea..

[thaddeus]

Can you talk me through that mate. Let's say a club is miffed and gets every other game abandoned. No big deal? Just keep re-arranging random games all through the season..? Season after season?

That sounds off it's head to me.

That's a really extreme example that, as far as I'm aware, has never happened.  That's not to say it couldn't but there'd surely be increasing sanctions in that scenario.

Oldham's fans had loads of peaceful protests against their owners that were ignored.  They had multiple post-match on-pitch protests that were ignored.  Not just ignored by the owners but also by the press except for the local papers.  The fans did all the right things but everyone ignored them.  Eventually they entered the pitch during a game and sat in the centre circle - gaining national coverage.  As it happened that game wasn't abandoned as the fans were removed so it made life a bit easier for the EFL.

The Man U protest is different for me because it was largely just thuggery.  As much if not more anger was directed at us as their owners.  Carra got dogs abuse while they shook Neville's hand.  It was tribal rather than political.  Also the Glazers weren't running the club into the ground, they just weren't quite matching the spending of the sportswashers.

I just think there needs to be strongly protected rights for fans to protest and any watering down of that through overhanded black-and-white sanctions should be avoided.  Once those rights to protest in whatever form go then they never come back.

Edit:  Apologies for the Tory comment, Andy.  I know from other threads that it's very much not you and your suggestion wasn't meant that way.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

That's a really extreme example that, as far as I'm aware, has never happened.  That's not to say it couldn't but there'd surely be increasing sanctions in that scenario.

Oldham's fans had loads of peaceful protests against their owners that were ignored.  They had multiple post-match on-pitch protests that were ignored.  Not just ignored by the owners but also by the press except for the local papers.  The fans did all the right things but everyone ignored them.  Eventually they entered the pitch during a game and sat in the centre circle - gaining national coverage.  As it happened that game wasn't abandoned as the fans were removed so it made life a bit easier for the EFL.

The Man U protest is different for me because it was largely just thuggery.  As much if not more anger was directed at us as their owners.  Carra got dogs abuse while they shook Neville's hand.  It was tribal rather than political.  Also the Glazers weren't running the club into the ground, they just weren't quite matching the spending of the sportswashers.

I just think there needs to be strongly protected rights for fans to protest and any watering down of that through overhanded black-and-white sanctions should be avoided.  Once those rights to protest in whatever form go then they never come back.

Edit:  Apologies for the Tory comment, Andy.  I know from other threads that it's very much not you and your suggestion wasn't meant that way.

No worries


Reading their forums, it seems a few are wanting to repeat their antics when they got the match abandoned.

[Jwils21]

My (one) Manc mate says that ten Hag is going to switch to a back five against us.  I can't find any reliable sources reporting it but seems to be on a few fan sites.  It feels like after having spent years trying to get a tune out of Pogba they're now going to do the same with Maguire (plus his new £50m partner in crime).

Maguire, Martinez and Varane in a 3? One’s got the acceleration of an aircraft carrier, one could easily be outjumped by Jay Spearing and the other will be injured inside 10 mins.

[elsewhere]

they didn't lose today if that means something

[Macphisto80]

I'd say forfeiting the game with a 3-0 is about right.  Nothing more. Had that happened last season, Utd's GD would've been better off. [\b]

That reads like a joke, but it's fucking hilarious because it's true. It's mad even thinking that, but this is where they are at.

[Ghost Town]

To think this mob may have landed Klopp until they bored him shitless while waffling on about Mickey Mouse and Goofy.

Ah so it was because of the League Cup and Rio Ferdinand that Klopp decided not to go there?

[Ghost Town]

It was a late afternoon/early evening job and the site manager made us both a brew...

Sorry for a minute I thought that was a typo and this was going to be a story about Ole

[Skeeve]

Just to confirm, it’s very much in their interest to try and get this postponed and extremely convenient that it’s Liverpool up next.   No effing way should the FA or liverpool allow anything other than a match forfeit.  It sets a president for other disgruntled fan bases to sabotage particular games, under the guise “unhappy with the owners”.

Forfeit and extra points taken off them as a penalty.   Which would mean they would be on a minus points total after 3 games 😂

I'm sure they won't do it, but it would be good if Klopp and the club said something about this in advance and brought up the fact that if they disrupt this game it would be a repeat offence and that united should be penalised accordingly.

[Macphisto80]

Why do they want our game boycotted? They are not our biggest rivals anymore and our game against them isn't the biggest of the season. I hate to say it, but our two biggest games of the season are against City, and City's against us. Neither Liverpool or City consider Manutd a rival club. They are irrelevant and like it's been said before, City will completely take over Manchester.

I still consider them our main rivals. Rivalry has fuck all to do with where the team is currently at. The two plastic c*nt clubs and their fans as well as BT Sport and sky need to wrap their thick skulls around that. United V Liverpool is still a far bigger draw for viewing figures for obvious - and the correct - reasons. They're picking our game because they view us the same way. It should be taken as a compliment. Really, though, if their previous revolution is anything to go by, it should have taken place outside their neighbours' ground if they were really rising up against the corporate and morally bankrupt takeover of football like they claimed. Che Garvara should be pitching a tent at their front door, the c*nt.

[Red Beret]

If they want to get the match abandoned then it has nothing to do with protests. They're just shit scared of watching their team get absolutely bummed for a third straight game.

If Brentford can turn them over, they're likely pissing themselves thinking what we can do to them.

[rodderzzz]

Why do they want our game boycotted? They are not our biggest rivals anymore and our game against them isn't the biggest of the season. I hate to say it, but our two biggest games of the season are against City, and City's against us. Neither Liverpool or City consider Manutd a rival club. They are irrelevant and like it's been said before, City will completely take over Manchester.

Laughable comment.

[Ghost Town]

Just to confirm, it’s very much in their interest to try and get this postponed and extremely convenient that it’s Liverpool up next.   No effing way should the FA or liverpool allow anything other than a match forfeit.  It sets a president for other disgruntled fan bases to sabotage particular games, under the guise “unhappy with the owners”.

Yep, they'll all be Biden their time

[SvenJohansen]

Yep, they'll all be Biden their time

That's gold

 

[Dim Glas]

Why do they want our game boycotted? They are not our biggest rivals anymore and our game against them isn't the biggest of the season. I hate to say it, but our two biggest games of the season are against City, and City's against us. Neither Liverpool or City consider Manutd a rival club. They are irrelevant and like it's been said before, City will completely take over Manchester.

That’s absolute tripe though.

It dosen’t matter if we are up against Abu Dhabi 10 years in a row for a league and Man Utd are battling for Europa spots, Liverpool vs Man Utd will always be the bigger game and one of the biggest games of the season.

Man City are a small to middling English club who got bought by human rights abusers for the sole purpose of sportswashing. They will never be a rival to LFC in the purest sense of the word.

And they won’t ‘take over Manchester’ either. They don’t have the fan base, you do know they struggle to sell out games don’t you?

[rodderzzz]

That’s absolute tripe though.

It dosen’t matter if we are up against Abu Dhabi 10 years in a row for a league and Man Utd are battling for Europa spots, Liverpool vs Man Utd will always be the bigger game and one of the biggest games of the season.

Man City are a small to middling English club who got bought by human rights abusers for the sole purpose of sportswashing. They will never be a rival to LFC in the purest sense of the word.

And they won’t ‘take over Manchester’ either. They don’t have the fan base, you do know they struggle to sell out games don’t you?

Yep, the rivalry with city will be the same as the rivalry with Chelsea, only relevant because they hit the lottery and wanted to muscle it with the giants. Everton and Utd are the only ones that matter.

[Son of Spion]

Why do they want our game boycotted? They are not our biggest rivals anymore and our game against them isn't the biggest of the season. I hate to say it, but our two biggest games of the season are against City, and City's against us. Neither Liverpool or City consider Manutd a rival club. They are irrelevant and like it's been said before, City will completely take over Manchester.

It's all subjective opinion of course, but the Mancs are still our biggest rival for me.

Yes, they are currently irrelevant when it comes to fighting it out for the biggest (any?) trophies, but we are the two biggest and most successful clubs in England by miles. Also, the other two current challengers are not even real football clubs. Both have been built by sportswashers for political ends.

Of course, if we are talking about the most important games of the season purely in relation to how it affects the title race, then yes, it's the games against the sportswash from Abu Dhabi. For me at least, those games carry no prestige whatsoever though. Due to appalling mismanagement by the football authorities we, in this league, are saddled with having to play against these political entities but, as football clubs they are not our rivals.

I'll never recognise the spawn of Abu Dhabi and Putin as footballing rivals, ever. They are thieves, parasites leeching off the game. At least the Mancs spend money they earn and their success was built by a genius (Busby) and a talented gobshite (Ferguson). They've earned our rivalry. The other two abominations haven't and never will.

Abu Dhabi will never take over Manchester. Ever.

[Red Beret]

Chelsea and Abu Dhabi FC are competitors, not rivals. Abu Dhabi could win a hundred titles but will never, ever, be our rivals.

Rivalry is what they crave, as it legitimises them. It validates them. Denying them this desire is what makes them so angry and their victories so hollow.

[El Lobo]

See if they actually wanted their owners out, they’d want the game called off at their own cost (I.e we get a 3-0 automatic win). But they don’t, they want it called off cos they think they’ll get battered and if it’s re-arranged they might not be quite so shit. They’re just a banter club, long may it continue.

[beardsleyismessimk1]

Shows you how lucky Ferguson was to have so many good young players come through the ranks all at once, I know he headhunted a lot of them from other clubs like Oldham and City etc but he never stopped trying to recruit the best young talent in the country yet never managed to replicate what he did with the class of 92 (or whatever their hype machine calls them). None of his successors have managed it either so there was clearly an element of luck in what happened.

The element of luck was called Howard webb

[Yorkykopite]

That’s absolute tripe though.

It dosen’t matter if we are up against Abu Dhabi 10 years in a row for a league and Man Utd are battling for Europa spots, Liverpool vs Man Utd will always be the bigger game and one of the biggest games of the season.

Man City are a small to middling English club who got bought by human rights abusers for the sole purpose of sportswashing. They will never be a rival to LFC in the purest sense of the word.

And they won’t ‘take over Manchester’ either. They don’t have the fan base, you do know they struggle to sell out games don’t you?

I don't know how anyone can be so confident about that. I agree with your assessment of Man City before they became owned by Abu Dhabi. They were a middling club. But a decade of success - however engineered - is still a decade of success. Manchester United supporters are only now waking up to the fact that their club faces an existential crisis and that they are no longer the biggest club in their own 'city'. The way they cheer on Man City whenever they play against us is a sign that they haven't fully understood what is happening to them.

It's a big game when we play Man United. But the Man City matches feel far bigger to me. More nerve-wracking, more at stake, more incredible when we win.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Yep, they'll all be Biden their time

No one is going to Trump that mate - nice one Lincoln that one together

[Son of Spion]

Chelsea and Abu Dhabi FC are competitors, not rivals. Abu Dhabi could win a hundred titles but will never, ever, be our rivals.

Rivalry is what they crave, as it legitimises them. It validates them. Denying them this desire is what makes them so angry and their victories so hollow.

Well this is it.

They pump billions into failed old football clubs until they are up there and mentioned in the same breath as Liverpool and Man United in England and Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern etc in Europe. The association with such prestige names is what the sportswashers hope helps legitimise them.

They aren't our rivals though. They never were when they were a football club, and they aren't now they are a political vehicle.

They only exist in current form due to gross mismanagement in football and the corruption in politics that allows it.

Football rivals? Never in a million years.