Topic: Pep Lijnders

[deFacto please, you bastards]

snipped for utter shite

I've explained to you for the upnteenth time dismissing IT ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF HIM, is baffling. Whether or not you're dismissing the reporter or the report your whole INITIAL reasoning''well no one has heard of him, why are people choosing to believe him over Castles'' maybe err because Castles is a click baiting c*nt and has a poor reputation? Maybe?

You can't keep bothering to repeat your self, but here you are repeating the same fecking tripe.

Throw castles an annual feast mate. I'm sure the journalist who has reported shite about the club in the past and sensationalized it once more before the 2nd leg against Roma will be thankful for your support  Perhaps you're related to him? 

[Dim Glas]

I think that's fair. Insofar as corroborating Castles' original report, I'm specifically talking about the bit claiming Buvac had departed/was departing the club. The club's position through local journos was that he was on temporary gardening leave and would be back for the new season. The feed at the start of the season was that he was unlikely to return with Pep's return to the fold helping bridge the gap left by Buvac. Castles' original report was more sensationalist for the timing of it rather than any content as this was right on the eve of the Roma away game. But overall, I think we're more or less on the same page.

Anyway, Pep. What a coach eh?!

Indeed

Very happy he came back - not happy it didnt work out for him there of course! But really, just ended up working well for this club. And great for him to be able to come back, and in a more senior role.

[vivabobbygraham]

Duncan Castle ate my hamster

[afc tukrish]

Duncan Castle ate my hamster

That's a euphemism for swallowing Mourinho's nads?

[PhaseOfPlay]

Duncan Castle ate my hamster

You're thinking of Duncan Goodhew

[SlowRap]

You must be genuinely thick. Carry on fella, not going to reply to you anymore.

A quick read through his post history, he's not thick, maybe a bit too much time on his hands as he elected himself a vigilantly of the forum with a couple of minions attacking anyone who he disagrees with him using bullish language

[PhaseOfPlay]

I've explained for the nth time that I didn't dismiss the journalist. Only that report of his (not even a report, a tweet from what I can tell) on the basis that it wasn't confirmed anywhere else. If this offends you, please find a basement and make it your safe space.

I'm not patronising you btw, I'm taking the piss out of you.

Can't be bothered repeating myself again because you keep:   

[Doc Red]

Not so much for the first team. It's different for academy kids, as they have way more practice time and way less games. First team players are play-rest-train-play, always with an eye for the next game. I think where Ljinders will have an effect is in how our players support each other on the ball, given his upbringing in the Dutch 4v4 system. What we should watch out for is the player on the ball always having a left, right and most importantly a forward penetration option, whenever the ball is moved to a new receiver. Our mobility should become next-level in that sense.

For the uninitiated,  what is the Dutch 4x4 system?
Thanks in advance!

[No666]

I understand it (think PoP has put this up before) as small-sided games (with changing rules/set-ups) that maximise each player's chance of touching the ball.

[CraigDS]

Is it ‘the flying point’, Roy?

[Suareznumber7]

What the fuck happened to this thread?

[Giono]

What the fuck happened to this thread?

Too many days between matches. Liverpool fan cabin fever. What will the international break bring...

[CraigDS]

Too many days between matches. Liverpool fan cabin fever. What will the international break bring...

I’m hoping for more Catchphrase.

[Giono]

I’m hoping for more Catchphrase.

Posters are giving 110%.

[kloppismydad]

Regardless of the reporting on Buvac, it'll be stupid to dismiss Castles reporting on Liverpool because of his favourite hobby which involves Mourinho. He definitely has a really trusted, solid source at Liverpool who keeps feeding him exclusives. He was the first one to break the Coutinho "back" injury story and the subsequent transfer request, much before any of the journos.

Maybe Buvac was leaking to Duncan? Hopefully Pep won't be indulging in such behaviour.

[newterp]

Posters are giving 110%.

I’m hoping for more Catchphrase.

I thought we agreed that it was water under the bridge now?

[PhaseOfPlay]

I understand it (think PoP has put this up before) as small-sided games (with changing rules/set-ups) that maximise each player's chance of touching the ball.

It's a bit more than that, although that is the main thrust of it.

It's all about the diamond shape, and constantly recreating that shape as the ball moves. So at the beginning of a phase, the ball would be with the defender:



Then if he passes to the right winger, everyone has to adjust their positions to recreate the "Left/Right/Forward" options:




So no matter where the ball moves, the receiver is always the bottom of the diamond, and requires a left option, a right option and a forward option. So players are constantly checking in, checking away, overlapping and underlapping, and changing positions to become one of the three options, every time the ball changes receiver



So there should be even more mobility in our attack if Ljinders is involved more regularly in that phase of our coaching.

[No666]

It's a bit more than that, although that is the main thrust of it.

Well, at least you know I was listening. That's more than I ever do with the wife.

It's all about the diamond shape, and constantly recreating that shape as the ball moves.
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So there should be even more mobility in our attack if Ljinders is involved more regularly in that phase of our coaching.

So once that is automatic, there should always be options available for a pass in an actual game?

[PhaseOfPlay]

Well, at least you know I was listening. That's more than I ever do with the wife.

So once that is automatic, there should always be options available for a pass in an actual game?

Yep. When it's done right, it's very hard to defend with anything other than a very compact block in front of goal. At that point, it comes down to 1v1 ability, long shots, set pieces and quick combinations to get shots or draw penalties. Which is basically all of the stuff we recruited for this summer.

[Nessy76]

Is it ‘the flying point’, Roy?

It's a good answer, but it's not quite right.

[afc tukrish]

Well, at least you know I was listening. That's more than I ever do with the wife.

The wife is only concerned with parking the bus?

[CHOPPER]

Has there been an immediate effect?

[CraigDS]

Has there been an immediate effect?

Well the catchphrase clues have got harder.

[Anthony]

Well the catchphrase clues have got harder.

Needs to punch not catch then...

[Sangria]

For the uninitiated,  what is the Dutch 4x4 system?
Thanks in advance!

Much of the Netherlands is below sea level, so Dutch offroad vehicles have to cope with softer ground.

[Dr. Beaker]

It's a bit more than that, although that is the main thrust of it.

It's all about the diamond shape, and constantly recreating that shape as the ball moves. So at the beginning of a phase, the ball would be with the defender:



Then if he passes to the right winger, everyone has to adjust their positions to recreate the "Left/Right/Forward" options:




So no matter where the ball moves, the receiver is always the bottom of the diamond, and requires a left option, a right option and a forward option. So players are constantly checking in, checking away, overlapping and underlapping, and changing positions to become one of the three options, every time the ball changes receiver



So there should be even more mobility in our attack if Ljinders is involved more regularly in that phase of our coaching.

Of course the Mourinho method is far simpler. Place each individual player 50 yards away from palm tree (see Illustration 1), roll ball to player, player attempts to nestle ball in tree top.


Illustration 1

[No666]

Buvac is officially an ex-assistant manager.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-reach-agreement-over-zeljko-15704958

[jillcwhomever]

It's good that its cleared up now, I wonder if he will return to football in some capacity?

[Dim Glas]

It's good that its cleared up now, I wonder if he will return to football in some capacity?

quite likely I suspect! But in what capacity, who knows. His name kept getting linked with jobs for months, but of course, he likely couldn't take them anyway while whatever 'disputes' where going on with sorting the ending of his LFC contract.

[jillcwhomever]

quite likely I suspect! But in what capacity, who knows. His name kept getting linked with jobs for months, but of course, he likely couldn't take them anyway while whatever 'disputes' where going on with sorting the ending of his LFC contract.

Can you see him setting up as a coach by himself? Or would he be looking to join an already assembled team? I don't think he has coached on his own, didn't he agree to stay with Klopp when he moved up to coach at Mainz?

[No666]

I'm assuming we'll now see Ljinders officially given a title.

[Dim Glas]

Can you see him setting up as a coach by himself? Or would he be looking to join an already assembled team? I don't think he has coached on his own, didn't he agree to stay with Klopp when he moved up to coach at Mainz?

only time he's been a head caoch was at regional league level in Germany before he went back to Mainz to be assistant there, and also he's coached Srpska republic team - a national team within Bosnia that are not affiliated with UEFA and FIFA though.

Maybe he'd do it? In Germany, which is where he lives, it's not quite as high profile as it is for managers in the PL for instance. So whereas yes he'd have to do press conferences etc, it's still somewhat more under the radar. So I guess it's possible.  Be sort of odd if he went back to being an assistant too in a way!

[mattD]

only time he's been a head caoch was at regional league level in Germany before he went back to Mainz to be assistant there, and also he's coached Srpska republic team - a national team within Bosnia that are not affiliated with UEFA and FIFA though.

Maybe he'd do it? In Germany, which is where he lives, it's not quite as high profile as it is for managers in the PL for instance. So whereas yes he'd have to do press conferences etc, it's still somewhat more under the radar. So I guess it's possible.  Be sort of odd if he went back to being an assistant too in a way!

Management looks a likely course for him if he has been offered roles.

Just wondering if Huddersfield might give him a chance. They’re a club who seem to place great emphasis on the holistic football club structure that you see in Germany with a sustainable overarching philosophy. Buvac obviously has so much experience within such a working environment.

[Dim Glas]

Management looks a likely course for him if he has been offered roles.

Just wondering if Huddersfield might give him a chance. They’re a club who seem to place great emphasis on the holistic football club structure that you see in Germany with a sustainable overarching philosophy. Buvac obviously has so much experience within such a working environment.

Sounds like Huddersfield are going for Jan Siewert.

I honestly don't know what Buvac would do, I guess maybe I expect to see him pop up in some role in Germany at some point?! Kinda interesting to see where he goes.

[Red_19]

Might be off topic but kind of linked. Can anyone give a reason as to why Buvac left. The whole thing was very strange even if he wanted out you’d stick it out with a month of the season to go especially given the CL semi and final. The whole thing is very odd just wondering if anyone has any insight

[Djimi Smicer34]

Might be off topic but kind of linked. Can anyone give a reason as to why Buvac left. The whole thing was very strange even if he wanted out you’d stick it out with a month of the season to go especially given the CL semi and final. The whole thing is very odd just wondering if anyone has any insight

There were a few rumours at the time he left, nothing definite has ever been reported though.

There was talk he'd fallen out with Klopp, that one of his parents was ill, he was going to Arsenal, back to Dortmund.  It's anyone's guess whether any of them are true.

[Dim Glas]

Might be off topic but kind of linked. Can anyone give a reason as to why Buvac left. The whole thing was very strange even if he wanted out you’d stick it out with a month of the season to go especially given the CL semi and final. The whole thing is very odd just wondering if anyone has any insight

there is a Paul Joyce article in the Times today suggesting it was just a drifting apart and that Buvac was distancing himself more and more from the team. That in the past Klopp would defer to him more and they where almost on the same level, with players noting that Buvac operated at a higher level than most assistants, and that Klopp would do a lot to make their partnership equal.  But that maybe the longer it went on in Liverpool, and the more responsibility Klopp had to take on in contrast to in Germany (ie being a manager rather than a head coach), things changed, and he took more charge and also would take on board advice from other assistants more. But the article does state that it's just guess work.

But the whole timing was just so odd.  Apparently he didn't go into the dressing room at half time of the Stoke game and that was the end of it.

[Red_19]

Just read that so strange though the thing that stuck out most t me was the fact he said they never socialised like he does with Keawietz and Wagner. Odd given how close they seemed I genuinely thought that they were the  best  of friends. If we win the league w lot of it will be owed to Buvacs work on the training ground

[Dim Glas]

Just read that so strange though the thing that stuck out most t me was the fact he said they never socialised like he does with Keawietz and Wagner. Odd given how close they seemed I genuinely thought that they were the  best  of friends. If we win the league w lot of it will be owed to Buvacs work on the training ground

it's always been the situation that they where colleagues first and foremost rather than big friends. Buvac is very introverted, whereas Krawietz is the oppsite and an extrovert. It was the same at Mainz, Klopp was big friends with Krawietz.  Not to say they where not mates, sure they where, and Buvac's wife was always at matches with Klopp's wife too. But they where never really close away from the pitch the way he is with Krawietz for instance.

[No666]

From the Paul Joyce piece:
Klopp had done much to make their relationship equal. Liverpool’s players noted Buvac operated at a level above a normal assistant manager, and perhaps Klopp’s willingness to take on new ideas from other staff, together with his heightened profile owing to the cult of the manager in English football, caused the equilibrium to alter. However, that is guesswork because the subject is sacrosanct with Klopp having rendered it off limits out of respect.

Despite so many uncertainties, what is beyond doubt is had Klopp believed his working bond with Buvac remained central to a title challenge or lifting the Champions League, he would have fought more to keep him. In the end, the decision to go was mutual.