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Re: This month's mass shooting in America. 14/02/18 - 17 killed in school shooting
« Reply #2360 on: February 21, 2018, 10:56:30 pm »
You didn't expect the group to include people who want stronger gun laws did you ?

Not really. But to be fair one of the last persons to speak was the father of a boy who was killed in the Sandy Hook shooting and he said that arming teachers is not the right way to go.

It still strikes me as odd that people actually feel that it's necessary to give weapons to school employees or even have former police men or soldiers working in schools to make it safe for their kids. I just cannot fathom this.

That said, I'm also aware that people in the US live in a completely different world compared to where I live (in Austria and in an area that would probably be called rural in the US or many other countries). I work as a local journo and have done some stories in schools. And yes, I was able to just walk in the door and look for the person I was supposed to talk  with without being asked any questions. To think that it could be any different with me having to show my ID,  walking through a metal detector and having my bag be checked in an x-ray machine is just something I can't imagine. I live in a world where I don't have to be afraid of being shot. Having that kind of security at a school would just be a sign that something is seriously wrong with the world I'm living in... 

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Re: This month's mass shooting in America. 14/02/18 - 17 killed in school shooting
« Reply #2361 on: February 21, 2018, 11:00:43 pm »
Hang on ... did some of the Florida relatives (who lost their own kids) in this Trump talk suggest guns be leagally allowed in schools? What the fuck is happening?

Just have to accept that the States is just different. It shouldnt surprise anyone anymore.


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Re: This month's mass shooting in America. 14/02/18 - 17 killed in school shooting
« Reply #2362 on: February 22, 2018, 12:04:43 am »
Just have to accept that the States is just different. It shouldnt surprise anyone anymore.



It is not just different, it is perverse. The mentally deficient, conservative thinking ideology has hijacked the "patriotic" floor. Issues are always much more black and white, yes or no, up or down, in or out when they control the debate. That's how they make sense of the world - they are incapable of embracing the true nature of reality and all its many fluctuations. As a consequence, you are either with us, or against us. That's how and why gun nuts invoke the 2nd amendment (even though they know nothing of its true intention) to shut down arguments and regale themselves with notions of patriotism. They truly believe that they are under attack and will not, indeed, cannot, comprehend any proposal or argument that doesn't fit their myopic point of view. They believe they are defending a sacred truth. Its why so many of them are "god fearing Christians" - same mental disfunction.

Reality - even when the blood of innocent patriotic American children lies in pools on a classroom floor - has zero effect on them because to address that reality in its entirety would require them to question their entire belief system, which they are incapable of doing. They are locked in a cyclical state of denial and self preservation. I don't know how you break that - well, not in my lifetime, certainly.
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Re: This month's mass shooting in America. 14/02/18 - 17 killed in school shooting
« Reply #2363 on: February 22, 2018, 02:22:45 am »
Just watching the CNN townhall. Marco Rubio is a massive wanker, but you have to give him credit for going to a place where he knew he'd get ripped apart and explain his position. Unlike others like the President and the governor.

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« Reply #2364 on: February 22, 2018, 02:25:55 am »
Just watching the CNN townhall. Marco Rubio is a massive wanker, but you have to give him credit for going to a place where he knew he'd get ripped apart and explain his position. Unlike others like the President and the governor.

True however his stance is still poor as the parent said.

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Re: This month's mass shooting in America. 14/02/18 - 17 killed in school shooting
« Reply #2365 on: February 22, 2018, 02:28:20 am »
True however his stance is still poor as the parent said.

No debate about that. The whole argument about only banning 200 weapons and 2000 similar ones still being legal is just bollocks...

And he just shot himself in the foot going after the congressman...

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« Reply #2366 on: February 22, 2018, 02:31:25 am »
No debate about that. The whole argument about only banning 200 weapons and 2000 similar ones still being legal is just bollocks...

And he just shot himself in the foot going after the congressman...

Exactly that, the issue is the NRA and the money the all make from it. And you have politicians like Rubio beating around the bush with nonsense like that.


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Re: This month's mass shooting in America. 14/02/18 - 17 killed in school shooting
« Reply #2367 on: February 22, 2018, 02:35:52 am »
What if the armed Teacher wakes up one morning and says i've had enough, im going to end my life and take as much people possible with me?
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« Reply #2368 on: February 22, 2018, 02:51:12 am »
These kids are more intelligent and astute and more fit to run the country than these politicians

This kid just asked Rubio if he can say that he will never take a penny in donation from the NRA.

Rubio can't say no, will not say no.

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Re: This month's mass shooting in America. 14/02/18 - 17 killed in school shooting
« Reply #2369 on: February 22, 2018, 02:55:17 am »
Anyone watching CNN right now a live town hall one of the survivors asking Rubio if he he will no longer take money from the NRA totally dodging the question and getting loads of shit brilliant TV. 

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« Reply #2370 on: February 22, 2018, 02:55:24 am »
You guys watching CNN town hall? great question being asked.

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« Reply #2371 on: February 22, 2018, 02:55:55 am »
Anyone watching CNN right now a live town hall one of the survivors asking Rubio if he he will no longer take money from the NRA totally dodging the question and getting loads of shit brilliant TV.
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Re: This month's mass shooting in America. 14/02/18 - 17 killed in school shooting
« Reply #2372 on: February 22, 2018, 02:59:38 am »
What if the armed Teacher wakes up one morning and says i've had enough, im going to end my life and take as much people possible with me?

That doesn't happen. Only bad people are killers. They only give guns to the good people. And surely good people don't suddenly turn into bad people.

Rubio didn't do too well in that NRA money question. He basically said he'll take money from everyone who buys into his agenda. They should have asked him if that means he would take money from the KKK or Russia if they wanted to give it to him...

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« Reply #2373 on: February 22, 2018, 03:06:08 am »

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« Reply #2374 on: February 22, 2018, 03:17:22 am »
Anyone watching CNN right now a live town hall one of the survivors asking Rubio if he he will no longer take money from the NRA totally dodging the question and getting loads of shit brilliant TV.

It was brilliant, the kid was great.

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« Reply #2375 on: February 22, 2018, 03:27:44 am »
Well done the Sheriff disagreeing with Trump and having a go at the NRA lady.
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« Reply #2376 on: February 22, 2018, 07:36:54 am »
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That politician comes across like a real knob. I watched one of these about healthcare and there were two republicans there and they also came across as rude, weird and a bunch of evil bastards. Compared to them, even Tories seem nice and caring.

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Re: This month's mass shooting in America. 14/02/18 - 17 killed in school shooting
« Reply #2377 on: February 22, 2018, 08:12:20 am »
So teachers are supposed to be educators, parents, coaches and now body guards. :lmao :lmao

Not just body guards, but killers.  Spot an ex-pupil coming back into school? Just blast their brains out, then continue with your maths lesson.
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« Reply #2378 on: February 22, 2018, 08:50:04 am »
:lmao

Just as you thought the Deranged Lunatic couldn't make more of a mockery of himself and his country he goes and says armed teachers would have been able to stop such attacks.

Agree with you Chakan, what will these teachers be asked to do next? Their job role is expanding rapidly but I'm sure blowing out the brains of ex students or any other nut job is not something they signed up for.
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Re: This month's mass shooting in America. 14/02/18 - 17 killed in school shooting
« Reply #2379 on: February 22, 2018, 09:11:33 am »
These kids are more intelligent and astute and more fit to run the country than these politicians

This kid just asked Rubio if he can say that he will never take a penny in donation from the NRA.

Rubio can't say no, will not say no.

Just bounce him out of the debate right there.  From that point on anytime he opened his mouth somebody should just have shouted "shush!".  He's made it quite clear where his priorities lie.  Money - or guns - matter more to him than lives, and the lives of kids.

And arming teachers?  FFS.  I can see the headlines now: "Teacher locks classroom door and kills 40 kids after being fired".
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« Reply #2380 on: February 22, 2018, 09:37:24 am »
And arming teachers?  FFS.  I can see the headlines now: "Teacher locks classroom door and kills 40 kids after being fired".

Republicans, conservatives and gun right activists be like...

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"If only the kids had been armed."

"Why did the HM allow the teacher to go back to her class when the teacher was let go?"

"School ID Card Systems should be reviewed for allowing the teacher to get back into the class area"

Funny (or scary!) thing is, I can actually picturise them using this.

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Re: This month's mass shooting in America. 14/02/18 - 17 killed in school shooting
« Reply #2381 on: February 22, 2018, 09:37:58 am »
Glad to see the world is changing with the young people, won't happen fast enough but nice to see they (and women) have had enough

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« Reply #2382 on: February 22, 2018, 09:39:28 am »
Republicans, conservatives and gun right activists be like...

Funny (or scary!) thing is, I can actually picturise them using this.

I made this after a shooting several years ago...
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« Reply #2383 on: February 22, 2018, 09:49:37 am »
Glad to see the world is changing with the young people, won't happen fast enough but nice to see they (and women) have had enough

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Re: This month's mass shooting in America. 14/02/18 - 17 killed in school shooting
« Reply #2385 on: February 22, 2018, 09:59:49 am »
You think American gun ownership is crazy? Just look at how the central database of gun owners is kept

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« Reply #2387 on: February 22, 2018, 10:11:03 am »
Lil' Marco Rubio said that an assault weapon ban 'would mean literally banning every semi-automatic rifle that's sold in America'.

The crowd erupted in cheers at this   :)
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« Reply #2388 on: February 22, 2018, 10:18:06 am »
Just watching the CNN townhall. Marco Rubio is a massive wanker, but you have to give him credit for going to a place where he knew he'd get ripped apart and explain his position. Unlike others like the President and the governor.

That’s the least he should do as senator for Florida. He’s supposed to work for Floridians not the NRA.
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« Reply #2389 on: February 22, 2018, 10:20:28 am »
Republicans, conservatives and gun right activists be like...

Funny (or scary!) thing is, I can actually picturise them using this.

You’re going to adapt it into a play/film?  ;)
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« Reply #2390 on: February 22, 2018, 10:31:45 am »
:lmao

Just as you thought the Deranged Lunatic couldn't make more of a mockery of himself and his country he goes and says armed teachers would have been able to stop such attacks.

Agree with you Chakan, what will these teachers be asked to do next? Their job role is expanding rapidly but I'm sure blowing out the brains of ex students or any other nut job is not something they signed up for.

And the 1st Kid killed by a teachers stray bullet would bankrupt that local education system.
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« Reply #2391 on: February 22, 2018, 10:37:35 am »
I see students have been protesting throughout the US in favour of gun control - a popular placard theme being "You're the adults... do something!" and organised marches are planned. I know that for too many people the sunny idealism of youth is replaced by bitterness and cynicism as people age, which converts into conservatism and reactionism, but these are kids who a growing up under this threat. And I hope that as we evolve as a species, they retain that desire to change the old, backwards ways of thinking, and introduce social advancement to rid that country of the cancers that are the NRA, the insidious and oppressive 'church'-led social regressionism, and the stubborn dregs of white nationalism. I fear I may be letting hope override reality, though. As a species, we are thick as mince.

And the cancerous vested interests won't give up their malignant hold easily. Today, a two-page ad has been taken out in the NYT listed 276 'law-makers' in the US who take the NRA's 25 pieces of silver to help block gun control laws:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/florida-shooting-nra-donations-politicians-gun-control-advert-republicans-parkland-school-a8221681.html

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« Reply #2392 on: February 22, 2018, 11:26:38 am »
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US President Donald Trump has said arming teachers could prevent school shootings like that which left 17 people dead last week in Florida.

A staff member with a gun could end an attack "very quickly", he said.

Mr Trump floated the proposal - long-championed by the powerful NRA gun lobby - as emotional survivors of the 14 February massacre urged him to take measures to stop similar attacks.

The US leader called for improved background checks on gun buyers.

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« Reply #2393 on: February 22, 2018, 11:46:20 am »
Once, the KKK was as powerful as the NRA is today.  Hopefully, this could prove to be a watershed moment on the level of #metoo.

The law makers can wring their hands over gun control all they like, but how somebody can own an automatic weapon before they're even legally old enough to drink is just flat out stupid.
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« Reply #2394 on: February 22, 2018, 12:30:44 pm »
Glad to see the world is changing with the young people, won't happen fast enough but nice to see they (and women) have had enough

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Re: This month's mass shooting in America. 14/02/18 - 17 killed in school shooting
« Reply #2396 on: February 22, 2018, 01:50:28 pm »
The arming teachers line is just incredible. As said, what happens when a teacher flips and shoots a pupil? Where exactly in the classroom would the gun be kept? Could it get into the hands of a pupil easily enough? That it’s even being mooted shows what a ridiculous situation it’s become.

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« Reply #2397 on: February 22, 2018, 01:51:38 pm »
How many of them would actually want to point a gun at someone and fire?

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Re: This month's mass shooting in America. 14/02/18 - 17 killed in school shooting
« Reply #2398 on: February 22, 2018, 01:55:21 pm »
The arming teachers line is just incredible. As said, what happens when a teacher flips and shoots a pupil? Where exactly in the classroom would the gun be kept? Could it get into the hands of a pupil easily enough? That it’s even being mooted shows what a ridiculous situation it’s become.

It's obvious Nick. The only thing that can stop a good-guy-turned-bad with a gun is another good guy with a gun. And we can ensure that he's good and won't turn bad by offering our Thoughts and Prayers.

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« Reply #2399 on: February 22, 2018, 01:59:37 pm »
Will they sack the teachers that refuse to be armed? 

Have we slipped into some crazy parallel universe, because this is just fucking nuts.
We aren't walking through the storm now - we are the storm.