Topic: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General

[Wullie160975]

Has there been any lines shown for the goal?

[Red-Soldier]

Has there been any lines shown for the goal?

No, looked very close to me.

The ref was a disgrace.

[farawayred]

No, looked very close to me.

The ref was a disgrace.

The goal was not offside. Trent didn't know where Vini was and tried to keep the line, but he failed. He covered him for sure.

[whtwht]

The goal was not offside. Trent didn't know where Vini was and tried to keep the line, but he failed. He covered him for sure.

Them the small margins. Proud of our boys

[Hazell]

Being reffed like a PL match vs AD.

We didn't lose because of the ref but it does get frustrating when refs don't book them for their cynical fouls, fall for their timewasting antics and play no additional injury time. It's not one huge decision that refs get wrong, it's lots of little ones that are frustrating.

[Mister Flip Flop]

The goal was not offside. Trent didn't know where Vini was and tried to keep the line, but he failed. He covered him for sure.

How do we know it wasn't offside? I haven't seen one replay and i find it strange.

[RedG13]

No, looked very close to me.

The ref was a disgrace.

CBS had a good angle of it and was clear he was on. VIni Jr did a great job of staying onside. Not really much Trent could.

[farawayred]

How do we know it wasn't offside? I haven't seen one replay and i find it strange.

You can use the lines in the grass.

[Ghost Town]

Turpin was a Dick

[stevieG786]

How do we know it wasn't offside? I haven't seen one replay and i find it strange.

Trent’s toe kept him inside

[Crosby Nick]

We didn't lose because of the ref but it does get frustrating when refs don't book them for their cynical fouls, fall for their timewasting antics and play no additional injury time. It's not one huge decision that refs get wrong, it's lots of little ones that are frustrating.

Yeah, bought plenty of cheap free kicks in the last 15 minutes, especially the Courtois head injury one. Made subs only by one (as is their right), couple more stoppages in injury time and still blew bang on 5 minutes. Same happened to City which we found funnier. You could argue we would t have scored no matter how much longer we’d played but would have been nice to have the chance.

[kennedy81]

Trent’s toe kept him inside

What about when Valverde plays the cross in?

[Iska]

Trent’s toe kept him inside

Thanks.  Thought there might have been really close and was surprised they didn’t keep showing a replay, but that explains why they didn’t spend much time on it.

[andyrol]

I've seen pics where it shows Benzema touching the cross, he is clearly offside.  Never mind the rumour that the ref is Benzema's cousin!!!

[Dr Stu-Pid]

This image for me is a great example of why I think the current offside laws are fundamentally broken and have gone too far towards benefiting the attackers.  There is no way that anyone can say that Benzema is not affecting play here, and he is definitely in an offside position.  Konate has stopped his run to play Benzema offside, and has done so successfully.  As a result he is not in a position to block the cross.  Trent also looks to be stopping his run to try and hold the same line as Konate to play Benzema offside, which means he also can’t deal with the cross.  All that would be fine if someone in between Valverde and Benzema scores the goal, as Konate and Trent cannot affect that player, but Vinicius is only in a position to score because of the actions of Benzema who is between him and the ball.

The ball also gets VERY close to Benzema, and he adjusts his feet in a way that makes me think that he was trying to flick the ball towards goal but missed it, in which case there is a very good argument that he was offside under the current rules as well.  His actions at that point also have an affect on Alisson’s ability to save the shot from Vinicius, as he has to cover his front post in case Benzema gets a touch.  If Benzema isn’t there then Alisson can drop across his goal more and maybe he gets a hand on the shot and makes a wonder save.

The offside rules need to account for the fact that players who do not touch the ball can still have a massive influence on the game, especially since more and more we are seeing players deliberately making runs into an offside position to confuse defenders or attempt to get them to hold their line to play them offside to benefit someone making a later run (especially from set pieces).

[Elzar]

The offside rules need to account for the fact that players who do not touch the ball can still have a massive influence on the game, especially since more and more we are seeing players deliberately making runs into an offside position to confuse defenders or attempt to get them to hold their line to play them offside to benefit someone making a later run (especially from set pieces).

Benzema was good at this, he uses the current laws to his advantage against a high line and tried a few times on Saturday. That one that dropped to Casemiro being a good example. Benzema was clearly off from the original cross, but had it come off Casemiro and to him, he would have been counted as on side. I remember City scoring few like this with their cut back tactics in the last couple years too.

A clever striker/team can use it to their advantage massively.

[oojason]

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A video of the goal (with slow-motion replay) that claims the ball touched Benzema's foot (who was in an offside position) on the cross for the goal by Vinicius:-

https://twitter.com/eurocnfleague/status/1531325975383838720



'Ball clearly touched benzema foot who was offside vardrid at it again robbed':-










a slow-motion gif of the ball touching Benzema's foot in an offside position:-

https://twitter.com/sowso0/status/1532744594798034945






^ from https://twitter.com/eurocnfleague/status/1530774099743518720

[KevLFC]

That would be really hard to spot even with VAR

[El Lobo]

That and the disallowed goal just demonstrate what a fuck up the offside rule is, never mind VAR. Annoying if he did touch it but if you showed me that goal and the disallowed one, before VAR got involved, and told me one would be given and one wouldn't I'd have taken that so it doesn't really sting or anything.

[BoRed]

That would be really hard to spot even with VAR

It's not even conclusive enough, the ball often bobbles on an uneven pitch.

We've been robbed by VAR a few times this season, but this wasn't one of them.

[Dull Tools]

It's not even conclusive enough, the ball often bobbles on an uneven pitch.

We've been robbed by VAR a few times this season, but this wasn't one of them.

Even if he hasn't then how isn't he interfering with play? He has tried to touch the ball even if he doesn't actually manage to.

[Crimson]

As a general rule, such close calls should go in the attackers favour. There's no way to spot if the ball touched him even on the "slow motion". Not offside for me.

[Barneylfc∗]

Even if he hasn't then how isn't he interfering with play? He has tried to touch the ball even if he doesn't actually manage to.

Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

He definitely doesn't make any attempt to play the ball, nor does he prevent any of our players playing the ball

[Ray K]

@SamWallaceTel
Exclusive: PGMOL conference this weekend are being told that referees’ chief Mike Riley will be leaving the organisation next season. Massive changes coming to Premier League refereeing.

Exclusive: Howard Webb to return from MLS as Mike Riley's de facto successor next season, as PGMOL chief refereeing officer. Will be a handover period when pair work together. Story with @Tom_Morgs

(Expected to be in the role full time by Christmas)
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Webb isn't the greatest, but literally anybody would be better than Mike Riley.

[Dave McCoy]

@SamWallaceTel
Exclusive: PGMOL conference this weekend are being told that referees’ chief Mike Riley will be leaving the organisation next season. Massive changes coming to Premier League refereeing.

Exclusive: Howard Webb to return from MLS as Mike Riley's de facto successor next season, as PGMOL chief refereeing officer. Will be a handover period when pair work together. Story with @Tom_Morgs

(Expected to be in the role full time by Christmas)
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Webb isn't the greatest, but literally anybody would be better than Mike Riley.

Webb, by all accounts, has done a great job in managing refs in MLS. This should be a clear upgrade has to be the hope.

[Hazell]

Webb, by all accounts, has done a great job in managing refs in MLS. This should be a clear upgrade has to be the hope.

But there's no Man Utd in the MLS

[El Lobo]

Perfect timing 

[tubby]

Webb being away from the PL for a while might make for a better ref boss, but who knows.  It can't be any worse than it already is though.

[Zlen]

Blind chimp would do a better job than Mike Riley, so a clear upgrade.

[Ghost Town]

All those old photoshops of Webb in Man Utd kits will have a new lease of life.

God, we all thought we were so cool and edgy with those back then

[xbugawugax]

Blind chimp would do a better job than Mike Riley, so a clear upgrade.

lol...if howard webb is an upgrade then we shall all despair at the standard of officiating

names will change but doubt the standards will. isn't moss on permanent VAR duty next season?

Nothing will change. You heard it here first. The incompetent monkeys will defend their own surely.

[Armchair expert]

Webb being away from the PL for a while might make for a better ref boss, but who knows.  It can't be any worse than it already is though.

Bad news for us….
Among other things that c*nt cost us the league in 2008 with one of the most corrupt penalty decisions you will ever see when Spurs were two up against Utd ….

[oojason]

Howard Webb, eh? the man who spouts bollocks why he chose not to send off Nigel De Jong for his karate kick on Xabi Alonso in the 2010 World Cup Final.

Despite Webb can see De Jong was not even looking at the ball, he is looking at Alonso, catches him with force and studs to his chest, and with no attempt to even play the ball.

And then claimed "I hadn't seen point of impact" and "It never crossed my mind that it was red" - despite video evidence pointing to Webb looking directly at the incident, and being quick to give a yellow card without asking for advice or input from other match officials he was linked up with.





"I hadn't bottled out of the big decision, I hadn't felt intimidated by the occasion, and I'd certainly not felt under any pressure from FIFA to curb dismissals. I'd simply handed out the appropriate penalty for what I'd seen with my own eyes, from my vantage point. And that's the truth." - https://en.as.com/en/2016/10/18/soccer/1476807082_115329.html



<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/CexJn5kg-90" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/CexJn5kg-90</a>

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/AcIicsfW660" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/AcIicsfW660</a>


Sorry, I may have gone off on one there

[afc tukrish]

Howard Webb, eh? the man who spouts bollocks why he chose not to send off Nigel De Jong for his karate kick on Xabi Alonso in the 2010 World Cup Final.

Despite Webb can see De Jong was not even looking at the ball, he is looking at Alonso, catches him with force and studs to his chest, and with no attempt to even play the ball.

And claimed "I hadn't seen point of impact" and "It never crossed my mind that it was red" - despite video evidence pointing to Webb looking directly at the incident, and being quick to give a yellow card without asking for advice or input from other match officials he was linked up with.

"I hadn't bottled out of the big decision, I hadn't felt intimidated by the occasion, and I'd certainly not felt under any pressure from FIFA to curb dismissals. I'd simply handed out the appropriate penalty for what I'd seen with my own eyes, from my vantage point. And that's the truth." - https://en.as.com/en/2016/10/18/soccer/1476807082_115329.html

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/CexJn5kg-90" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/CexJn5kg-90</a>

^ and also at www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcIicsfW660


Sorry, I may have gone off on one there

 

[Dave McCoy]

Pretty sure this article was posted many, many pages ago.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/major-league-soccer/story/4376693/howard-webb-on-how-mls-is-getting-var-right-and-what-other-leagues-can-learn

He does say the De Jong decision was wrong.

[Tonyh8su]

Riley should’ve been fired a long time ago anyway but, after that Rodri handball not given against Everton his head, the on field ref and the VAR ref should’ve all been sacked.

[El Lobo]

All those old photoshops of Webb in Man Utd kits will have a new lease of life.

God, we all thought we were so cool and edgy with those back then

Jonjo Shelvey was a true pioneer

[Ghost Town]

Jonjo Shelvey was a true pioneer

Ah ha yes, I remember now. He got fined for that, I think?

And he also told Ferguson to fuck off didn't he? Good old Voldemort.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

Jonjo Shelvey was a true pioneer

Didn't the Babelcoptor do it first? 

[farawayred]

@SamWallaceTel
Exclusive: PGMOL conference this weekend are being told that referees’ chief Mike Riley will be leaving the organisation next season. Massive changes coming to Premier League refereeing.

Exclusive: Howard Webb to return from MLS as Mike Riley's de facto successor next season, as PGMOL chief refereeing officer. Will be a handover period when pair work together. Story with @Tom_Morgs

(Expected to be in the role full time by Christmas)
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Webb isn't the greatest, but literally anybody would be better than Mike Riley.

This personnel change will ensure continuity



But still, Howard Webb was a much better referee than Mike Fucking Riley.