Topic: The Meh Scottish Football Thread

[archie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/29749785

What's all this about?

[Azi]

couple of players attacked the Celtic keeper zaluska in Glasgow last week, rumours are that players involved are Paul Paton and Mark Wilson

[dundeered]

United have suspended both players for this weekend , just waiting for the angry mob now to hang and quarter them , grown men having a punch up someone will get fined move on .

[archie]

United have suspended both players for this weekend , just waiting for the angry mob now to hang and quarter them , grown men having a punch up someone will get fined move on .

No doubt you'd adopt the same stance had it been the other way round!   

[dundeered]

Yip totally , the courts will deal with it , not football related , like most trouble a woman is never far away

[helen the llama]

Things are not looking good down Ibrox way.

[archie]

Things are not looking good down Ibrox way.

How so?

[helen the llama]

How so?

Needing another emergency loan to avoid "severe financial difficulties"

[archie]

Needing another emergency loan to avoid "severe financial difficulties"

Got a link to a decent source?

This has been the chat on this thread for a long time.
Yet, the club continues to function (built on sand, it seems) and will be promoted this season in all likelihood.

Is 'the end' realistically going to happen (a second time)?

[helen the llama]

Sky Sports News,
BBC Sport.

As for admin 2, how long can you keep relying on emergency loans for?

[dundeered]

Hopefully that's them finished this time , getting bored with them now , horrible club won't be missed by any other clubs apart from the other cheek of the arse .

[helen the llama]

Ashley deal done (first paragraph is very very interesting)

[dundeered]

Ashley deal done (first paragraph is very very interesting)

So ,same time next month 

Latest rumour is that Ashley is renaming the stadium Mike Ashley Sports Stadium

[dundeered]

Superb Edinburgh derby there , what a strike in injury time

[helen the llama]

more like finger eating.. Ozturk's goal

Hibs had the best chances and Hearts need to stop trying to walk the ball in.

oh and a certain song was sung at the end   and the dodgy version too

[dundeered]

GSTQ ?

[helen the llama]

GSTQ ?

Billy/Gorgie Boys

[dundeered]

Billy/Gorgie Boys

Was at it ,Both equally bad , unfortunately hearts have a mini rangers bigot problem , won't have been reported and nothing will be done as per tho .

[helen the llama]

Hearts sign up to give all staff a living wage.

[KillieRed]

I see the most loyal fans in the world turned up at Ibrox again tonight.

Trying to work out why there are so many empty seats at Ibrox and Parkhead these days. Can anyone spot the common denominator?



BBC Scotland reporter Richard Wilson at Ibrox

Posted at 19:22


"There's a very sparse crowd here at Ibrox. Derek Llambias is sitting in the directors' box."


Oh wait, this must be it:

"19:07


Rangers fans' group Sons of Struth is organising a boycott of the League Cup tie. Spokesman Craig Houston and his fellow supporters are unhappy at the role being played by chairman of the football board Sandy Easdale, they are not impressed with what Mike Ashley has done at Newcastle United, and the Sons of Struth feel that the merchandise deal between the club and Mike Ashley benefits the businessman much more than it does Rangers. On top of that, they believe the club is not being run by the board, but by "faceless investors". "

Yeah, right.

[helen the llama]

The cup game boycott is nothing new.
Plus they are not happy that a certain EPL club owner is pulling the strings. I predict there is going to be loads of cost cutting at Ibrox.

[Azi]

mike ashley is probably the best thing for rangers to be honest, he will get rid of all the expensive players and give them a set budget short term it will suck but long term it will probably be the saving of rangers. he wont care if they dont make it out of the championship this season purely coz he now has the keys to ibrox.

[dundeered]

The cup game boycott is nothing new.
Plus they are not happy that a certain EPL club owner is pulling the strings. I predict there is going to be loads of cost cutting at Ibrox.

Good piece that , it will be faf if Ashley takes over , who will they blame next ? 

They boycotted Tannadice too over some perceived injustice , they really need to take a look closer to home for their ills , hope we get to play them this year they really hate us , the bile pouring out after we put them out the cup last year was both pathetic and funny .

[Azi]

TO: ALL MOTHERWELL FOOTBALL CLUB SUPPORTERS AND FRIENDS

TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE CLUB WE ARE APPEALING TO ALL MOTHERWELL SUPPORTERS AND FRIENDS TO HELP US RAISE £1M.

CAN YOU HELP PLEASE?

As you know, in order to keep alive the prospect of assuming ownership of the club, the Well Society was given until the end of November to take its total funds to £800,000. So far it has raised more than £500,000 and is still in talks over a soft loan with an interested party that would take it beyond the total.

However, it has become apparent in the past few weeks that the club potentially needs more financial security than the Well Society would be able to offer it, even with the soft loan. And it also became apparent that there was a real danger of the ownership of the club being lost to the local community for the first time.

So, over the past two weeks there have been discussions among the club board, Well Society representatives, John Boyle and some prominent Motherwell-supporting business people who have agreed to help out the club. We are now seeking wider support to form a partnership that would give the club financial stability and prevent it being sold to outside interests.

Together we have come up with a plan that, if successful, will do both things, but we need Motherwell supporters to come together and act quickly.

Our plan would see the Well Society acquire John Boyle's shares if a consortium of interested parties can raise enough money to provide the club with financial security. The Well Society would then acquire 75% of the club's shares.



BACKGROUND AND CONTEXT

The club is again facing a potential shortfall of cash in the second half of the season. It has lost a combined £780,000 in the two seasons 2011-13, and has predicted a loss for last season. In February 2013, the Well Society helped the club meet a cash shortfall of £150,000 by buying shares. Last season the Well Society lent the club £230,000, which has been repaid: the club also borrowed £125,000 from an asset finance company. With the cup exits this season and difficulty in replicating last season's SPFL prize money, there is the real prospect of a bigger shortfall. While the club has no bank debt it still owes more than £360,000 to John Boyle, who has security over the stadium as a condition. If we cannot meet the shortfall together, the club will need to be sold and could be sold very quickly.

So, Motherwell supporters can help by,


PROVIDING A LOAN

We have come up with a range of benefits (outlined below) that will be provided to anyone who can lend the club enough money as part of a consortium. The stadium would be used as security for the lending consortium on a pro-rata basis. We are looking for pledges of £10,000 upwards.

Lender Benefits

In summary, in return for pooling their resources and providing the loan it is proposed that the consortium members will receive the following key benefits:
all loan amounts repaid over an agreed timescale, with the club stadium providing loan security and protection
a competitive rate of interest, paid annually
a combined 20% share of any player's transfer fee to another club
a combined 20% share of any surplus if the club reaches the Scottish Cup Final
all benefits of the Well Society's amber members
a guarantee that John Boyle will transfer his shares to the Well Society, confirming fan ownership of the club.


THE FUTURE

Should the consortium successfully raise enough to trigger the release of John Boyle's shares, the new ownership of the company will execute measures to take the club forward based on the club's current financial position and a proposed business plan, both of which will be made available to prospective consortium members who express an interest.

Overall, the club will need to make cost-savings for next season and ensure it is not spending more money than it earns in future years. The Well Society would hold a majority stake and its representatives would form a board of directors along with other shareholders. Motherwell fans would thus control their club and prvent it being sold to outside interests who do not fully share our affinity with it. The Well Society would continue to raise money and recruit members to provide an on-going cash reserve that will help the club meet any future short-term cash issues.

We urgently need your help. Please join the consortium and avoid placing the club in financial danger or into the wrong hands.

If you agree to our proposal to become a member of the consortium, you are invited to join us for a 'sign-up' event on Thursday, 30 October in the Millennium Suite, Fir Park Stadium, at 6.30 pm.

Note: the meeting will be attended by members of the boards of Motherwell FC and the Well Society who will further explain the details of the consortium proposal and answer any questions about the loan details.

(Please confirm your attendance by calling Katie McCrossan on 01698 338006 or email [email protected]

We apologise for the very short notice of this meeting – time is not on our side!

If you are unable to attend but would like to consider joining the consortium and receive some more information, please telephone Alan Burrows, General Manager of MFC, on 01698 338012.

Please note that this is a once-only invitation on a first-come basis. Once we reach the target figure the invitation will be withdrawn. So please hurry, don't delay.


PROTECT YOUR CLUB – JOIN NOW

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT

FROM: BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF MOTHERWELL FC AND THE WELL SOCIETY






LOANS TO MFC

BACKGROUND AND TERMS


1. BACKGROUND

(a) The proposal is to raise £1m through loans made to MFC

(b) This is the amount of money needed to:-

(i) Meet the gap in working capital for this season

(ii) Allow other loans to the Club to be eliminated over the next 3 years

(iii) Restructure the cost base so the Club is on a 'break even' budget going forward on a worst case scenario

(iv) Let John Boyle transfer his share to the Well Society so that the Society becomes the majority shareholder in the Club

2. TERMS OF THE LOANS

(a) There will be a number of individual loans totalling £1m

(b) Minimum loan will be £10k

© Each loan will have identical loan documentation

(d) Each loan will have the football ground as security

(e) Loans will rank equally – ie repayments, interest will be pro rata – eg, a £50k loan will receive 5% of any general repayment made or interest payment

(f) The loans will be for an initial 5 year term but MFC will have the right to extend any amounts outstanding at the end of 5 years for a further 5 year period (so the Club has 10 year money effectively)

(g) An arrangement fee of 1% of the loan will be paid on 30 September 2015

(h) Annual interest will be paid on 30 September 2015 and every year until September 2020 (and beyond if loans are extended) at the following rates:-

(i) Years 1 / 2 2.5%

(ii) Years 3 / 4 3.0%

(iii) Year 5 4.0%

(iv) Any loans extended beyond year 5 – rate becomes 5.0%

(i) In addition to annual interest:-

(i) payment will be made to loan holders of 20% of all transfer and sell on fees and net proceeds of a Scottish or League Cup Final if more than 50% of the loans are outstanding at the start of that term

(ii) 10% of those fees when the debt is below 50%.

(j) Any individual who does not wish to receive this income can choose to forgo all or any part of it.

(k) All the benefits which accrue to an 1886 member of the Well Society will be available to a lender

(l) The payment waterfall each 30 September will be:-

(i) Annual interest

(ii) Annual other income (Transfer fees/Cup)

The Club can then redeem the loans if it chooses in multiples of £1k – pro rata

tt would appear we are officially fucked. 

[Weescotty]

mike ashley is probably the best thing for rangers to be honest, he will get rid of all the expensive players and give them a set budget short term it will suck but long term it will probably be the saving of rangers. he wont care if they dont make it out of the championship this season purely coz he now has the keys to ibrox.

Good for the company....
Has apparently already said they can only spend what they take in, and he is also not happy with Ally's salary (runour is that he didn't take a salary cut after all).

Won't be so good for the team....
Players will most probably go, performances will suffer, then it will all depend on what the fans do!
If they go back to the attendance levels of pre 'Rangers spending other peoples money', it could become a vicious circle.

Just thought...
I wonder how much of the Ashley 2 millions pounds loan (due for repayment in 6 months) is left now that Wallace and Nash have gone?
I am assuming they wouldn't go without some kind of pay-off!

Few more thoughts...
Where will the money come from to pay off the 2 million loan?
If he underwrites a share issue and ends up having to buy what isn't taken up, that will put him over the 10% agreed by the SFA.
If he ends up as a majority owner in both NUFC and RFC where does that leave him with the English FA?
If both qualified for Europe it becomes a nightmare, bit of a stretch, but if both got into the Europa cup, one club would have to stand down. Try explaining that to either set of fans.
A lot of people seem to think he is ONLY after the IP rights.

What happens between now and the end of the year could be very interesting.

[helen the llama]

Good for the company....
Has apparently already said they can only spend what they take in, and he is also not happy with Ally's salary (runour is that he didn't take a salary cut after all).

Won't be so good for the team....
Players will most probably go, performances will suffer, then it will all depend on what the fans do!
If they go back to the attendance levels of pre 'Rangers spending other peoples money', it could become a vicious circle.

The club owns quite a lot of money to the parent company too.

I think there may be quite a few players sold in January but it is working out who might be sellable and whether or not they will have some rather bad offers sent there way as a result of their financial state being very common knowledge.. By then the loan money would have run out and another loan or selling players would have to happen. More so how many people would by shares with regular emergency loans being needed. 

[helen the llama]

Celtic v Rangers Jan 31 or Feb 1.

[ghirl67]

3 months of build up.  Media will be worse than usual.  Would rather have played DUTD or Aberdeen.

[youll never walk alone it]

Celticcccc....hope they smash the neanderthal chelsea wannabees.

[helen the llama]

3 months of build up.  Media will be worse than usual.  Would rather have played DUTD or Aberdeen.

I liked Ronnie Deila's comment.

Hope it does not bring around too much carnage.

[ghirl67]

I liked Ronnie Deila's comment.

Hope it does not bring around too much carnage.

Sadly I fear it will which is why I would have rather avoided them.  There are a lot of dafties on both sides who will be chomping at the bit about it.  By the time we play them it will be 2 years and 9 months since we battered the old lot 3-0 at parkhead.

Ronny is spot on, but no doubt that will be jumped upon.

[DangerScouse]

Celticcccc....hope they smash the neanderthal chelsea wannabees.

[dundeered]

Celticcccc....hope they smash the neanderthal chelsea wannabees.

Ha ha superb , the first Glasgow derby , I wish folk up here wouldn't call them the OF , rangers died .My team meanwhile went top of the league yesterday as we comfortably beat st Mirren 3 nil and have Aberdeen in the semi final of the cup , we were called the new firm I suppose we can now call our selves the old firm .
Will be many battered wives as per after the Glasgow derby though , both clubs have horrible fans , I'm sure the police and social services aren't looking forward to this game .

[Azi]

Thanks for everything Stuart, it's been a cracking 4 years to be a Motherwell fan.

[dundeered]

Thanks for everything Stuart, it's been a cracking 4 years to be a Motherwell fan.

Had some good years and high finishes in the league but maybe got a bit stale ? , they are the worst team I've seen this year with pretty much the same players as last year , surprised me how bad they were it seemed as if they were playing for a draw from the kickoff no desire or willingness to win , saying that will no doubt beat us on Friday now , any thoughts on new manager ?

[Azi]

we usually go left field in our pick of manager mark McGee/Jim gannon / stuart McCall usual names are being shouted about and apparently Derek Adams is the favourite, but I'm not a fan for me i'd quite like George burley or maybe Owen Coyle, But to be honest i think no matter who comes in we're going to struggle our team is running on empty we have no money and our best player (Ojamma) his loan is up at the end of January.

[Azi]

SCOTTISH CUP FOURTH ROUND DRAW

St Johnstone v Ross County
St Mirren v Inverness CT
Hurlford Utd or Stirling Albion v Raith Rovers
Rangers v Kilmarnock
Hearts v Celtic
Queen of the South v Brora Rangers
Stranraer v Dunfermline
Elgin or Bo'ness v Arbroath
Falkirk v Cowdenbeath
Spartans v Morton or Airdrieonians
Berwick Rangers v Albion Rovers
Dundee v Aberdeen
Annan Athletic v Brechin
Ayr Utd or Alloa v Hibernian
Motherwell v Dundee Utd
Partick Thistle v Hamilton


5 all spl games cup has been thrown wide open

[KillieRed]

And we are playing the currant buns at skull mountain.

[Azi]

theirs a few snippets that Ian Cathro is a candidate for the Motherwell job would love it if we were to bring him in, hopefully with his time in spain he  will have made some good friends and could entice some young players to play at fir park

[Crosby Nick]

And we are playing the currant buns at skull mountain.

Admirable attempt to not call it Castle Greyskull but it's Snake Mountain surely?

What's happened to Ryan Gauld by the way? Has he played much for Sporting yet? Whenever I've looked he's not been in the squad. I guess it's to be expected to an extent - is he still finding his feet and will he get much playing time out there do you think?