Topic: Rhian Brewster

[Byrneand]

Nemeth.

I actually saw him playing in Boston last year. Not one that got away

[Trump's tiny tiny hands]

Michael Ngoo

[vivabobbygraham]

Those who remember the Fowler and Owen hype will understand the others mentioned were not of the same level....or maybe I missed it. Either way, not sure how many of them were training with the 1st team? I seem to remember some may have gone on pre season tours but were sent back down to the academy pretty sharpish. Of course, with social media and 24/7 news the scrutiny is now far more intense . All the more surprising the club have not kept Brewster low profile and in particular the boss who is effusive in his praise; perhaps another indication Jurgen is absolutely convinced by the lad.

[tubby]

Owen definitely had a lot of hype but I don't remember there being a huge buzz for Fowler, felt like he came out of nowhere.

[Jon2lfc]

I remember Woodburn being hyped up as the next Welsh Wizard when he broke into our first team, briefly.

Wasn't there all that discussion in the press about how England and Wales were both keen to grab him?

So is Ben now below Rhian in the pecking order? (When both fit)

[El Lobo]

Those who remember the Fowler and Owen hype will understand the others mentioned were not of the same level....or maybe I missed it. Either way, not sure how many of them were training with the 1st team? I seem to remember some may have gone on pre season tours but were sent back down to the academy pretty sharpish. Of course, with social media and 24/7 news the scrutiny is now far more intense . All the more surprising the club have not kept Brewster low profile and in particular the boss who is effusive in his praise; perhaps another indication Jurgen is absolutely convinced by the lad.

I think they were just naming young strikers we had...?

None of them were hyped up like Brewster has been, purely because the manager has acknowledged he sees him as part of the first team squad now.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

I remember Woodburn being hyped up as the next Welsh Wizard when he broke into our first team, briefly.

Wasn't there all that discussion in the press about how England and Wales were both keen to grab him?

So is Ben now below Rhian in the pecking order? (When both fit)

It would appear so.

[Ghost Town]

Woodburn is a cautionary reminder that young players' development is not necessarily linear

[Jookie]

Owen definitely had a lot of hype but I don't remember there being a huge buzz for Fowler, felt like he came out of nowhere.

Owen and Fowler were both well known before they broke into the 1st team. Think the hype with Owen was probably greater since he shown up massively in the run to our FA Youth Cup win in 1996. Think he scored loads in that run and was definitely the star player.

Fowler was definitely known before he broke into the 1st team. Got to remember that there was less of a general awareness of anything below the 1st team level in the early 90's. Fowler had won the U18 Euros with England so he had pedigree and there was a buzz about his performances at reserve team level.

Hard to judge Brewster against that. The world is a very different place to the 1990's when Fowler and Owen broke through. Nowadays fans can name most of the U18 side, never mind the reserves. I just don't think that was the case 20-30 years ago. Few snippets in the Echo and if you managed to go to the reserve games were the only exposure you got. To have a buzz about a young player then was probably genuine. Now it's hard to distinguish between that real sense of buzz about a young player and just the general noise around football currently.

What I would say about Brewster is that the club and Klopp seem like they have gone out of their way to talk about him and promote him. Whether that's Klopp talking about him in interviews and press conferences through to Brewster being prominent figure in Liverpool's social media output over the last 3-4 months. I just don't think the club do that without having very high hopes for him. The way Brewster has been treated is different to Woodburn, Wilson etc... Klopp and the coaching staff must see huge promise in him during training sessions and playing alongside the senior pros.

[Sangria]

Owen and Fowler were both well known before they broke into the 1st team. Think the hype with Owen was probably greater since he shown up massively in the run to our FA Youth Cup win in 1996. Think he scored loads in that run and was definitely the star player.

Fowler was definitely known before he broke into the 1st team. Got to remember that there was less of a general awareness of anything below the 1st team level in the early 90's. Fowler had won the U18 Euros with England so he had pedigree and there was a buzz about his performances at reserve team level.

Hard to judge Brewster against that. The world is a very different place to the 1990's when Fowler and Owen broke through. Nowadays fans can name most of the U18 side, never mind the reserves. I just don't think that was the case 20-30 years ago. Few snippets in the Echo and if you managed to go to the reserve games were the only exposure you got. To have a buzz about a young player then was probably genuine. Now it's hard to distinguish between that real sense of buzz about a young player and just the general noise around football currently.

What I would say about Brewster is that the club and Klopp seem like they have gone out of their way to talk about him and promote him. Whether that's Klopp talking about him in interviews and press conferences through to Brewster being prominent figure in Liverpool's social media output over the last 3-4 months. I just don't think the club do that without having very high hopes for him. The way Brewster has been treated is different to Woodburn, Wilson etc... Klopp and the coaching staff must see huge promise in him during training sessions and playing alongside the senior pros.

IIRC the youth team coach was congratulated on Fowler's performance at such a young age, and he replied that there was a better one still in the reserves. When you look at their skillsets, it's hard to understand why Owen never scored as many as Fowler at his peak.

[duvva 💅]

IIRC the youth team coach was congratulated on Fowler's performance at such a young age, and he replied that there was a better one still in the reserves. When you look at their skillsets, it's hard to understand why Owen never scored as many as Fowler at his peak.

You have to remember though, Owen wasn’t a natural goal scorer, Glenn Hoddle said so 🤔

[PoetryInMotion]

Woodburn is a cautionary reminder that young players' development is not necessarily linear

It's a crazy assumption that people often wrongly make with no basis. They just assume someone has to be at a given stage at a given age to make it at whichever level in discussion. Not necessarily so at all.

[Sangria]

You have to remember though, Owen wasn’t a natural goal scorer, Glenn Hoddle said so 🤔

I'm not really sure how Fowler was a more natural goalscorer than Owen. Owen was best known for his pace, but as we saw when he'd lost that, his brain was also quite the asset.

[Jon2lfc]

It's a crazy assumption that people often wrongly make with no basis. They just assume someone has to be at a given stage at a given age to make it at whichever level in discussion. Not necessarily so at all.

Babel is a good example of non-linear progress, no?

Was touted as a very promising young player? We bought him. Didn't set the world on fire. We sold him. Meandered from club to club.
Then burst back on to the PL scene with Fulham, and also got back to being a Holland regular.
 

[Byrneand]

It's a crazy assumption that people often wrongly make with no basis. They just assume someone has to be at a given stage at a given age to make it at whichever level in discussion. Not necessarily so at all.

Its really not a linear trajectory.

Look at James Vardy vs some of the list above.

There are so many factors that go into player development. The biggest of one of all being luck.

I think talent and hard work are a given (or should be), but then on top of that you have injuries (to the player or a 1st team player), manager pressure, competition advancement/severity.

[Ghost Town]

Yes luck is a major component.

Any young forward/striker trying to break into our team has to compete with an astoundingly high quality front line; any centre backs have to compete with Virgil and Joe and Matip.

Whereas Trent had a fairly easy route into right back - having got there he has done astonishing things and put up amazing numbers, certainly, but he could easily have just not made it there because there were two solid first choicers ahead of him keeping his chances to a minimum. What would have happened to his career then?

[Maldini]

You have to remember though, Owen wasn’t a natural goal scorer, Glenn Hoddle said so

One of the most misquoted things in sport that, he wasn't saying he wasn't a natural goalscorer, he was saying he was more than just a goal sniffer. It's written into folklore now though

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Yes luck is a major component.

Any young forward/striker trying to break into our team has to compete with an astoundingly high quality front line; any centre backs have to compete with Virgil and Joe and Matip.

Whereas Trent had a fairly easy route into right back - having got there he has done astonishing things and put up amazing numbers, certainly, but he could easily have just not made it there because there were two solid first choicers ahead of him keeping his chances to a minimum. What would have happened to his career then?

The injury that kept Clyne out for a whole year practically proved to be vital to Trent's career and us. because who knows if he would have gotten that big of a role had Clyne been fit otherwise.

[TepidT2O]

N’goo, Amoo and N’gog...

David Pleats nightmare line up

[duvva 💅]

One of the most misquoted things in sport that, he wasn't saying he wasn't a natural goalscorer, he was saying he was more than just a goal sniffer. It's written into folklore now though

I remember it more as an excuse he was using to justify not starting Owen but you may well be right

[MBL?]

Brewster definitely has more going for him than woodburn and pretty much all mentioned above who didn’t make it. In the u17 World Cup win he was as good as Sancho and Hudson. I reckon Klopp likes the work rate he shows as much as his goal scoring.

I would say that he doesn’t stand out as much as sterling did but then sterling stood out more than pogba did when they played each other at youth level. Ravel Morrison stood out more than both..

[Redcap]

The difference between Brewster and Woodburn is, Woodburn broke through when our front line was incredibly limited - in fact we only had Firmino of the current front 3.

And even then, it was a matter of giving a young player a chance in the cups.

My sense is with Brewster, we're looking at someone who's being trusted to back up Salah and Firmino and Mane, as a legitimate option.

[Jon2lfc]

The headline "Brewster's Millions" in the press will be inevitable when we put him on a new contract

[lionel_messias]

The headline "Brewster's Millions" in the press will be inevitable when we put him on a new contract

But of course you would have to be over 40 to remember that film

[hesbighesred]

But of course you would have to be over 40 to remember that film

One of the more tedious habits of the English press corps is the constant assumption that everyone has the same political leanings, cultural touchstones and tastes as they do. Hence the obsession with a centrist neoliberal politics that relatively few relate to, the hatred of trump and uncritical love of Obama, the immediate hype for TV shows (eg fleabag/girls) that reflect their social groups etc etc. Given that much of the press corps will have grown up with Prior's films as a regular staple of family TV, you can pretty much guarantee that it'll be used as a headline.

*NB I don't mean to suggest here that Trump is good and Fleabag is bad, more just pointing to a certain groupthink in a press that, to all intents and purposes, are basically a social circle - same backgrounds, schools, etc etc.

[Ghost Town]

Or alternatively, it's been on the telly a lot so people of all ages will be familiar with it.

Plus the term 'Brewstered' is pretty common even among da kidz in large parts of the country, even if they haven't seen the film.

[Hazell]

Or alternatively, it's been on the telly a lot so people of all ages will be familiar with it.

Plus the term 'Brewstered' is pretty common even among da kidz in large parts of the country, even if they haven't seen the film.

Let's hope we don't sign have someone coming through the ranks with the surname Munson.

[Knight]

Well if that 45 minutes was a fair reflection, I'm sold. Good hold up play, puts himself about, cute around the box and has a goalscorer's nose.

[sinnermichael]

Don't want to go overboard but he's possibly the greatest English centre forward of all time.

[Crosby Nick]

Don't want to go overboard but he's possibly the greatest English centre forward of all time.

[RyanBabel19]

Wonderful showing for his first 45, really intellegent play

[Filler.]

One of the more tedious habits of the English press corps is the constant assumption that everyone has the same political leanings, cultural touchstones and tastes as they do. Hence the obsession with a centrist neoliberal politics that relatively few relate to, the hatred of trump and uncritical love of Obama, the immediate hype for TV shows (eg fleabag/girls) that reflect their social groups etc etc. Given that much of the press corps will have grown up with Prior's films as a regular staple of family TV, you can pretty much guarantee that it'll be used as a headline.

*NB I don't mean to suggest here that Trump is good and Fleabag is bad, more just pointing to a certain groupthink in a press that, to all intents and purposes, are basically a social circle - same backgrounds, schools, etc etc.

'Brewsters Billions'. They'll write that just for the excuse of writing up some shitbollocks after he scores a few pre-season. Could Brewster be the first blah blah blah... you watch...

[wige]

Klopp:

On whether it’s a ‘big season’ for Brewster…

100 per cent, but again it depends on him as well. Divock Origi stays, obviously, which is good news; Bobby Firmino is still there; Rhian Brewster is a top striker, a top talent, and I am really happy. I told him already, he has an important role this year – but how important? Again, it depends on him and we will see. He has to play different positions as well because the centre is OK, wing I think is possible, and then we will see how we can line up. There will be opportunities for him, I am really sure.

[Djozer]

Not sure how he's going to be able to play on the wing when we don't play with wingers. Stupid Jurgen.

[PhaseOfPlay]

Not sure how he's going to be able to play on the wing when we don't play with wingers. Stupid Jurgen.

Unless we're changing formations and systems again this season. We certainly played with wingers today.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Klopp saying he could have scored one fo Rhian's goals, was funny but the point was not to get carried away with him

[KopThat]

Harry Wilson was unlucky not getting on the score sheet, but Brewster was ready to take his chances.

It must be difficult having such a strong front 3, but he also behind Origi but will get his chance at some stage this season.

It took an injury to clyne to give TAA his chance and that worked out alright,
not saying he should do a Tonya though

[vagabond]

Don't want to get carried away but reckon he will get the 7 shirt when Milner leaves at the end of this season.

[harleydanger]

The biggest compliment you can give Brewster is that the club has cleared a distinct path to the first team for him. I can't remember that being done by the club since probably Owen

[PhaseOfPlay]

The biggest compliment you can give Brewster is that the club has cleared a distinct path to the first team for him. I can't remember that being done by the club since probably Owen

That's a good point. Maybe Sterling?