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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13240 on: March 7, 2021, 04:30:36 pm »
So he didn't play today, any difference ? so much talk about him when the
real issue is our attacking tactics and movements.

The ball stuck more.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13241 on: March 7, 2021, 05:21:29 pm »
The ball stuck more.

Strangely I enjoyed watching Jota and Keita than I would have if Firmino and Mane had started.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13242 on: March 11, 2021, 03:43:45 pm »
Any news on his injury, will he be fit for Wolves?

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13243 on: March 11, 2021, 04:09:42 pm »
Even if he is, there is absolutely no way he should be walking back into the side when (a) he'll be lacking match sharpness and (b) he's been poor for a while.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13244 on: March 11, 2021, 04:21:54 pm »
Any news on his injury, will he be fit for Wolves?

With no Liverpool game for 3 weeks after Monday and the international games cancelled for Brazil, it'd make sense to give him an extended rest.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13245 on: March 28, 2021, 05:00:15 pm »
Matty Virtue interview on the official site:

People always ask me about who were the best players I got to train with and I always say Roberto Firmino and Gini Wijnaldum. Firmino has got eyes in the back of his head, his first touch is unbelievable.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13246 on: April 3, 2021, 09:40:06 pm »
When he plays well like this the whole team looks so much better

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13247 on: April 3, 2021, 10:05:43 pm »
Have to say that he looked quite interesting at the top of the midfield after Jota came on. Seemed to have more time on the ball and could use his vision and passing to pick forwards out. To be fair, Arsenal were not great but could be something we try out through the end of the season.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13248 on: April 3, 2021, 10:33:47 pm »
Bobby was on fire from the start of the game. We've been missing that.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13249 on: April 3, 2021, 10:37:45 pm »
Bobby is STILL.....Boss..

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13250 on: April 3, 2021, 10:56:11 pm »
When Bobby and TAA are on form the whole team is. 

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13251 on: April 3, 2021, 10:57:56 pm »
He showed some nice little touches today, hope he rediscovers his true form for he can still contribute to our end of season.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13252 on: April 4, 2021, 12:24:23 am »
The pass to Salah splitting the Gunners defense after the game was broken open was sublime.  He no looked the left CB into thinking he was going to play it wide to Trent (and then you see this big fucking gap he put it on a plate for Mo).

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13253 on: April 14, 2021, 10:00:25 pm »
Finding a replacement for him should be priority number one in the summer. He's been a bang average for way too long now.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13254 on: April 14, 2021, 10:01:22 pm »
Tactically great, but on the ball finishing and passing so so poor.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13255 on: April 14, 2021, 10:02:39 pm »
Finding a replacement for him should be priority number one in the summer. He's been a bang average for way too long now.

I thought he was one of the positives, he actually looked like a centre forward again. It was nice to see him having a few shots for a change. I’d still love an upgrade though.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13256 on: April 14, 2021, 10:02:43 pm »
His finishing was fine tonight, he wasn’t the one who missed the chances. And he got us progressing the ball through Madrid a decent amount. Plus his pressing was great. I do think this way of playing has ran its course though. We need a proper 9.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13257 on: April 14, 2021, 10:05:37 pm »
I thought he was one of the positives, he actually looked like a centre forward again. It was nice to see him having a few shots for a change. I’d still love an upgrade though.

A centre forward that doesn’t score.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13258 on: April 14, 2021, 10:10:24 pm »
A centre forward that doesn’t score.

Indeed but he was doing the right things tonight and he was the best of the front 3.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13259 on: April 14, 2021, 10:13:00 pm »
Indeed but he was doing the right things tonight and he was the best of the front 3.

He did but at the moment he and Mane are not great goal threats. They need to contribute and not leave all the hard yards to Salah.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13260 on: April 14, 2021, 10:14:33 pm »
Indeed but he was doing the right things tonight and he was the best of the front 3.

I’m not sure he was, he messed up every key pass, he was good outside of the key moments where you need your number 10/9 to play the key pass or score. I think tactically though we saw where we missed him in the first leg, nullified Kroos threat and held the ball well and provided another option for the midfield.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13261 on: April 14, 2021, 10:16:57 pm »
Indeed but he was doing the right things tonight and he was the best of the front 3.
Tonight, that's not saying much to be honest. For me Mo was the better of the three. But again, that's not saying much.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13262 on: April 14, 2021, 10:18:25 pm »
I’m not sure he was, he messed up every key pass, he was good outside of the key moments where you need your number 10/9 to play the key pass or score. I think tactically though we saw where we missed him in the first leg, nullified Kronos threat and held the ball well and provided another option for the midfield.

There was that one moment in the 1st half when he had Trent free on the right, you could sense his eyes lighting  up and his brain saying take a touch or 2, commit the defender and then play the pass. And of course in the end, the defender was quite clever in only half committing and Bobby ended up messing up the pass.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13263 on: April 14, 2021, 10:18:26 pm »
I think he'll be phased out of the front 3 next season. He'll be on the bench a lot or he could be moved into the midfield in a new system.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13264 on: April 14, 2021, 10:19:20 pm »
Misplaced passes are happening from every player on our team, not just Bobby. No idea why like.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13265 on: April 14, 2021, 11:17:00 pm »
The drop off has been gradual for 18 months so it’s not really a sudden loss in form.

Uncle Bob would have had him gone at the end of last season.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13266 on: April 14, 2021, 11:33:11 pm »
There was that one moment in the 1st half when he had Trent free on the right, you could sense his eyes lighting  up and his brain saying take a touch or 2, commit the defender and then play the pass. And of course in the end, the defender was quite clever in only half committing and Bobby ended up messing up the pass.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13267 on: April 15, 2021, 02:47:18 am »
6 goals all season. 1 goal in his last 18 CL games. I love Bobby but that simply isn't good enough.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13268 on: April 15, 2021, 05:27:44 am »
6 goals from a midfielder would be weak, for your central attacker - that is very poor.

The decline started last season.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13269 on: April 15, 2021, 05:55:31 am »
His finishing was fine tonight, he wasn’t the one who missed the chances.
Well he did...and i'm not saying that to criticise him, jut to say that everyone is missing chances.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13270 on: April 16, 2021, 11:24:23 am »
You would expect your best centreback to be chipping in with 4, 5, 6 goals as Virgil did in the 2 seasons before this one.

For Liverpool's first choice centreforward to have 6 goals so far this season and a slim to moderate chance of getting 1 or 2 more before the seasons' end.. well that clearly isn't good enough.

The team needs a killer in the box and Firmino isn't that. I hope and expect a change for next season.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13272 on: April 16, 2021, 11:35:07 am »
You would expect your best centreback to be chipping in with 4, 5, 6 goals as Virgil did in the 2 seasons before this one.

For Liverpool's first choice centreforward to have 6 goals so far this season and a slim to moderate chance of getting 1 or 2 more before the seasons' end.. well that clearly isn't good enough.

The team needs a killer in the box and Firmino isn't that. I hope and expect a change for next season.

Mo and maybe Trent are pretty much the only players who have scored at a rate you'd expect this season. Oh and Jota obviously.

We've had more goals from defence (5) than we have from midfield this season (4) and two of those from players who have been out for most of it (one each for VVD and Joel)

Bobby definitely isnt the only one who needs to score more
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13273 on: April 16, 2021, 01:22:40 pm »
Think Firmino has played pretty well in recent weeks. An improvement in his off the ball work and general build up play. Played between the lines well and progressed the ball nicely.

He’s not really been a goal scoring threat or looked that creative against a low block. The issue for Firmino is that all the good stuff he does can be lost when the team as a whole are struggling to score or create chances against a low block. As the No.9 in any team you’d be expected to carry some of the goal scoring burden. If you play as a No.10, and arguably does more so than a No.9, then you’d be expected to carry a reasonable proportion of the creative responsibility.

I can see why people are frustrated but he played better recently and some of the struggles we are having as a team could be indicative of other players form and/or current failings of our preferred system against certain tactical set ups
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13274 on: April 16, 2021, 01:26:29 pm »
Should be a benchwarmer next season.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13275 on: April 16, 2021, 01:35:19 pm »
You would expect your best centreback to be chipping in with 4, 5, 6 goals as Virgil did in the 2 seasons before this one.

For Liverpool's first choice centreforward to have 6 goals so far this season and a slim to moderate chance of getting 1 or 2 more before the seasons' end.. well that clearly isn't good enough.

The team needs a killer in the box and Firmino isn't that. I hope and expect a change for next season.
Firmino is not really a centre forward for us, in the way say Benzema is for Real. He's more of an attacking midfielder, like Gerrard behind Torres or so. That said, he should score more, and he has done that in the past.

The problem is that if we get a traditional striker, he will expect to play like one and lead the line. That leaves a huge gap in how we play, especially how we transition from defense to attack. This has been obvious when we have played Origi or Jota in that role.

That leaves us with two options:
1) Find someone similar to Firmino. This is probably an AM, not a striker.
2) Change the way we play. This will affect our wingers Salah, Mane and Jota. Few wingers score as much as them, because most wingers  have to do more defense and more buildup to serve the striker.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13276 on: April 16, 2021, 01:38:01 pm »
We have adapted we don't play like we did circa 2018.  This shite of "Oh if we get a proper forward we'll have to change the way we play" doesn't stack up.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13277 on: April 16, 2021, 01:40:39 pm »
The decline in his finishing stats in the League is pretty incredible.

17/18 he scored 15 against an xG of 10.76 so +4.24
18/19 he scored 12 against an xG of  13.74 so -1.74
19/20 he scored 9   against an xG of  16.69 so -7.69
20/21 he has 6 against an       xG of 10.62 so -4.62 from 29 games.

Whilst his expected goals has increased the number of goals he actually scores has basically halved.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13278 on: April 16, 2021, 01:45:17 pm »
Firmino is not really a centre forward for us, in the way say Benzema is for Real. He's more of an attacking midfielder, like Gerrard behind Torres or so. That said, he should score more, and he has done that in the past.

The problem is that if we get a traditional striker, he will expect to play like one and lead the line. That leaves a huge gap in how we play, especially how we transition from defense to attack. This has been obvious when we have played Origi or Jota in that role.

That leaves us with two options:
1) Find someone similar to Firmino. This is probably an AM, not a striker.
2) Change the way we play. This will affect our wingers Salah, Mane and Jota. Few wingers score as much as them, because most wingers  have to do more defense and more buildup to serve the striker.

Firmino isn’t even scoring enough for an attacking midfielder, let alone a striker.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #13279 on: April 16, 2021, 01:45:55 pm »
The decline in his finishing stats in the League is pretty incredible.

17/18 he scored 15 against an xG of 10.76 so +4.24
18/19 he scored 12 against an xG of  13.74 so -1.74
19/20 he scored 9   against an xG of  16.69 so -7.69
20/21 he has 6 against an       xG of 10.62 so -4.62 from 29 games.

Whilst his expected goals has increased the number of goals he actually scores has basically halved.

so we win the league when he scores the least amount, 
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