Topic: PL : Forest 0 v Liverpool 1 Nunez 98'

[gazzam1963]

That ‘role’ that Clattenburg has is dodgy as fuck. We all know it’s the old boys club who stick together, he shouldn’t be allowed to have any affiliation with any club, and if he even tried to go in and speak to Tierney in his capacity in that ‘role’, other clubs should be calling this out for what it is.

Clattenberg was refused entry to see the ref , clattenberg isn’t liked by the other refs . He was an arrogant sod when he was one ,  Disobeying referee protocols a few times like turning up at the ground of his own accord and a few other issues

[wampa1]

I just see it as one of those 'evens itself out' errors we've been hearing about for the last 5+ years. Just another dozen or so to go and we might actually catch up.

[cissesbeard]

its absolutely wild how much attention that decision is getting. like others have said its like giving a goal kick instead of a corner, not much mention of the ref doing the same thing earlier in the game but in forests favour. match of the day was a disgrace - basically said forest were brill but missed a load of chances - sorry the stats dont back this up, we were on top all game and deserved the win, yes both teams had chances - thats normal. youd think the ref had basically thrown the ball into the net for us. odegaard handball didn't get anywhere near this attention. also we shouldve had a pen

[rob1966]

Pretty sure the referee has to wait until the attacking passage is dead. Madrid were still active in the attacking third.

Nope, only thing a referee has to keep playing for is a penalty. Remember Mane being through on goal and the whistle going?

Had it happen in school too, 0-0 in a cup final, our striker hit a 20 yard effort and as it flew towards goal the ref blew for full time - we had to share the trophy.

[stockdam]

So let me get this straight, if we had a corner, the ball comes in, a forest player drops to the floor immediately with a "head injury" after a collision with one of our players, he hits the floor before the ball leaves the box, but the ball drops to one of our players, and the referee stops the game for the "injury", the ball automatically goes back to forest?

Yes providing the ref blows before the ball leaves the area or (I think) is touched by one of our players outside of the box. The law is there to get immediate medical help for somebody with a head injury but I feel it is sometimes abused.

[Andy82lfc]

I think the biggest tell from the media being soaked in their own boiling piss the last day is listening back to the commentary; not one fucking peep of any controversy with the ball being given back, even after the game nothing mentioned. Forest and the Clatenburg c*nt made a massive meal of it and the media lapped it up.

People forget that unfortunately the media is big business and has an audience which is led by the largest supporting group in the country, Man united and lots of other who hate seeing us win. Which is why Man city are darlings in their eyes the last few years.

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Yes providing the ref blows before the ball leaves the area or (I think) is touched by one of our players outside of the box. The law is there to get immediate medical help for somebody with a head injury but I feel it is sometimes abused.

It's insane, I had no idea that law existed, so all it takes for a team to release any pressure they may be under from a corner is fall over and pretend to be hurt and as long as the ball hasn't left the box they get it back, absolutely bananas 🙃

[KevLFC]

Genuinely the fuss over a mistake that happened 2 mins before a goal (and should have been an in-direct freekick to LFC anyway) is INCREDIBLE 😂

A MONUMENTAL error according to Mike Dean

More fuss for this than to that Arsenal dickhead playing basketball in the penalty area or for the Luis Diaz (no)goal.

The Diaz goal did cause a fuss. Some of our fans do have short memories. There was stupid stuff about replaying the game then social media flew into a rage about that. Then we had Webb talking about it with Owen, then the transcript...

[Bobinhood]

Ah, its all misdirection bullshit. Tierney gave us the ball because it was our guy got kicked in the head that he chose to ignore till he couldn't. Refs discretion not a mistake at all. Not giving a yellow card, that was the mistake.

held to forensic accounting standards freeze frame and freeze time of course. tiresome bullshit. 2 mins later Gomez brilliantly won a corner and they had to defend it and couldn't because we were very skilled in what we did about 5 times in a row. not even a related matter.

[MdArshad]

The Diaz goal did cause a fuss. Some of our fans do have short memories. There was stupid stuff about replaying the game then social media flew into a rage about that. Then we had Webb talking about it with Owen, then the transcript...

Both games should be replayed. Spurs away and Forest away. Possible to get even 6 points instead of 3.

On a side note, replay United vs Wolves as well.

[GreatEx]

Yeah it's a weird one.

I live away from Liverpool now, so for the first time I'm interacting with lots of English football fans from the South on a regular basis. I remember meeting one of my now-mates, nice enough lad by most accounts and an Arsenal fan (so no real beef with them, or so I thought), with a step mum from Liverpool (so it's not an anti-Scouse thing). The first time we got into footy chat, he told me "I hate your club, mate".

Likewise I know a few Newcastle fans here, one of them a good friend of mine (none of them from Newcastle, I should add). Two of them both told me, "I used to like Liverpool, but now I can't stand them". The other one (my good friend actually!) has simply never liked us.

You ask them why, and they just come up with vague fluff about decisions going our way, or our fans being intolerable, or LFC being "favoured" by the media and ex-LFC pundits etc.

I think a lot of it must be social media influenced. We certainly have our own army of social media gobshites. And generally the 24-hour clickbait style football "talking points". I think ultimately it all just seeps through. Plus of course the fact that we have been great in the Klopp era. No one likes seeing their clubs getting battered at Anfield every year.

I didn't grow up in the UK so I'm probably talking shite, but I always got the impression a lot of the hatred towards our club came from Hillsborough. The outsider's view is that British culture is very much of the "stiff upper lip" variety - if a grave injustice is done to you you just have to take it on the chin and not whinge and moan, spirit of the Blitz and all that, jolly good, tallyho and over the top we go *roar of machine-gun fire then silence*. Not taking shit from The S*n really got people's goat and they've never forgiven us even when we were proved right.

Is that unfair?

[Johnny Aldridge]

I’m Irish living in Vancouver and and was in an elevator with a neighbour and his 80 year old mother from Manchester recently and the old woman hit me a thump when her son told her I supported Liverpool, the eye on her said as much as the belt. The hatred runs deep in some folk!! 

[jillcwhomever]

Both games should be replayed. Spurs away and Forest away. Possible to get even 6 points instead of 3.

On a side note, replay United vs Wolves as well.

Neither game will get replayed why you would want to with the number of games we still have to play, I'm not sure.

[spider-neil]

Clark should have had a corner. We were robbed. Who knows what would have happened had we been correctly given that corner.

[Garlic Red]

Clark should have had a corner. We were robbed. Who knows what would have happened had we been correctly given that corner.

CHO dove to win a free kick on the halfway line. A monumental error that resulted in a turnover of possession.

[B0151?]

See I can understand the fume to some extent from Forest fans but the most audacious thing to me about them is the ones crying Konate faked the injury. Like we didn't see one of their players who had been supposedly injured walk normally as soon as he got off the pitch, and their keeper clutching his head after getting knocked into slightly from Danns.

[Indomitable_Carp]

The carry-on from a drop ball a whole two minutes from the winning goal is just mental.

[darragh85]

You never notice a good referee

[Yorkykopite]

I understand the 'hatred' completely. We're brilliant. And we've done it all off our own bat.

Never underestimate how people genuinely detest excellence. It provokes them for some reason. They resent bought success much less. Bought success comes with its own mitigation. It's not entirely real and therefore people aren't antagonised by it (You can see this in poor people's attitude to royalty or aristocracy). But success like Liverpool's is available to everybody if you have the skill and talent and work hard. Most don't and it makes them angry. 

When we started winning stuff with kids last week the hatred went up, not down. That is very revealing.

Long may this hatred last, I say.

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I understand the 'hatred' completely. We're brilliant. And we've done it all off our own bat.

Never underestimate how people genuinely detest excellence. It provokes them for some reason. They resent bought success much less. Bought success comes with its own mitigation. It's not entirely real and therefore people aren't antagonised by it (You can see this in poor people's attitude to royalty or aristocracy). But success like Liverpool's is available to everybody if you have the skill and talent and work hard. Most don't and it makes them angry. 

When we started winning stuff with kids last week the hatred went up, not down. That is very revealing.

Long may this hatred last, I say.

They hate our success, they fucking detest how we've been able to go about it, because they can't put it down to any kind of cheating or financial doping, and it kills them

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I understand the 'hatred' completely. We're brilliant. And we've done it all off our own bat.

Never underestimate how people genuinely detest excellence. It provokes them for some reason. They resent bought success much less. Bought success comes with its own mitigation. It's not entirely real and therefore people aren't antagonised by it (You can see this in poor people's attitude to royalty or aristocracy). But success like Liverpool's is available to everybody if you have the skill and talent and work hard. Most don't and it makes them angry. 

When we started winning stuff with kids last week the hatred went up, not down. That is very revealing.

Long may this hatred last, I say.

They hate us because of our name, it brings out the c*nt in just about every other county in the country & the reason for that is because of Government lies, lies that have been peddled for a Century.

Has fuck all to do with us winning.

[12C]

If I was Dyche or any of the other managers in the relegation scrap, I would be kicking off asking why VAR never called Tierney to the screen for a red card decision on Yates. Clear reckless out of control high boot.
He should be sat in the stands for 3 games.
Corrupt eh?

[DiggerJohn]

I understand the 'hatred' completely. We're brilliant. And we've done it all off our own bat.

Never underestimate how people genuinely detest excellence. It provokes them for some reason. They resent bought success much less. Bought success comes with its own mitigation. It's not entirely real and therefore people aren't antagonised by it (You can see this in poor people's attitude to royalty or aristocracy). But success like Liverpool's is available to everybody if you have the skill and talent and work hard. Most don't and it makes them angry. 

When we started winning stuff with kids last week the hatred went up, not down. That is very revealing.



Long may this hatred last, I say.

Very good point about humans in general.  Good to see RAWK doesnt just covers football tactics

 

[rob1966]

Both games should be replayed. Spurs away and Forest away. Possible to get even 6 points instead of 3.

On a side note, replay United vs Wolves as well.

Are you taking the piss?

[rob1966]

They hate us because of our name, it brings out the c*nt in just about every other county in the country & the reason for that is because of Government lies, lies that have been peddled for a Century.

Has fuck all to do with us winning.

Exactly - the hatred has fuck all to do with football, its thieving Scousers, its because we don't care about the Royals and the dirge we're expected to sing (ITS NOT A FUCKING NATIONAL ANTHEM, ITS A SONG ABOUT ONE OVERPRIVILEDGED PERSON YOU FORELOCK TUGGING c*nts), its because we won't lie down and be pissed and shit on by the establishment and because we fucking stand up for ourselves and for others. Basically Scousers aren't c*nts and the UK, which is full of c*nts, doesn't like it.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Are you taking the piss?

We'd be 3pts better off 

[Jon2lfc]

I understand the 'hatred' completely. We're brilliant. And we've done it all off our own bat.

Never underestimate how people genuinely detest excellence. It provokes them for some reason. They resent bought success much less. Bought success comes with its own mitigation. It's not entirely real and therefore people aren't antagonised by it (You can see this in poor people's attitude to royalty or aristocracy). But success like Liverpool's is available to everybody if you have the skill and talent and work hard. Most don't and it makes them angry. 

When we started winning stuff with kids last week the hatred went up, not down. That is very revealing.

Long may this hatred last, I say.

Nice post.
However, I generally don't think it's just hatred based on the feelings you've described.
E.g. if any other team has done what we've done, they wouldn't be so hated. Think of any other city/town/team in England..

It's because we're scouse and we're Liverpool.

The real test would be if Everton had our history and present day success (God forbid!).
Would they also be hated like us?

[DiggerJohn]

Exactly - the hatred has fuck all to do with football, its thieving Scousers, its because we don't care about the Royals and the dirge we're expected to sing (ITS NOT A FUCKING NATIONAL ANTHEM, ITS A SONG ABOUT ONE OVERPRIVILEDGED PERSON YOU FORELOCK TUGGING c*nts), its because we won't lie down and be pissed and shit on by the establishment and because we fucking stand up for ourselves and for others. Basically Scousers aren't c*nts and the UK, which is full of c*nts, doesn't like it.

Jaysus monday morning and Im all fired up for the Scousers (braveheart style).  Im Irish and have been supporting Liverpool since the early 80s loved Dalglish Whelan Hansen Souness etc. But as I got older and understood the city and the culture, the Thatcher fuck them they arent going to vote for us, booing God save the fuckin Queen i love them even more.  Love the repulican in the scousers the we arent bending over attitude.  I lived in Brighton in my 20s for 7 years, so totally get what Yorkie and Rob are saying.

[Indomitable_Carp]

I think they're both true. 100% the success comes into it. 100% the bile and outrage is ramped up because of Liverpool.

Fuck em all.

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Who's phone did Virg grab in the celebration?

[tubby]

Who's phone did Virg grab in the celebration?

I'd like to think that was organic but the fact that there's a Pixel tag and it's also in the top corner of the video makes it look a little sus.  Maybe an official from the club or something.

https://twitter.com/LFC/status/1764048040388964481

[paisley1977]

If I was Dyche or any of the other managers in the relegation scrap, I would be kicking off asking why VAR never called Tierney to the screen for a red card decision on Yates. Clear reckless out of control high boot.
He should be sat in the stands for 3 games.
Corrupt eh?

Yea just watched Ref watch on SKY and Dermot saying the Celtic player was right to be sent off for the high foot yesterday. No difference to the Yates high foot but still no mention that we should have had a free kick never mind the dropped ball.

[DonkeyWan]

So let me get this straight, if we had a corner, the ball comes in, a forest player drops to the floor immediately with a "head injury" after a collision with one of our players, he hits the floor before the ball leaves the box, but the ball drops to one of our players, and the referee stops the game for the "injury", the ball automatically goes back to forest?

Depends at what point he/her decides they blew the whistle.

More to the point, the debate is acaqdemic, he should have blown for a foul and red carded the forest player for a high foot to the head.

[MoSzizlak]

Yea just watched Ref watch on SKY and Dermot saying the Celtic player was right to be sent off for the high foot yesterday. No difference to the Yates high foot but still no mention that we should have had a free kick never mind the dropped ball.

They said Kelleher took out Konate, not a mention of the kick......must keep the rage going I guess.

[has gone odd]

Well, all we got was a half arsed apology from the ref after the Spuds game, so here we go. Sorry Forest, you got beat after a dodgy ref call (if it was), join the fuckin club.

[kennedy81]

Clark should have had a corner. We were robbed. Who knows what would have happened had we been correctly given that corner.

Exactly. Imagine if the game ended 0-0 and afterwards John Henry runs onto the pitch to attack the ref and LFC is demanding justice from PGMOL in the media. Can you imagine the reaction? The whole thing is just laughable.

[DangerScouse]

https://twitter.com/TheRedmenTV/status/1764600901937856571?s=20

Irony clearly lost on these neanderthals.

[Morgana]

Up the mighty piss-boiling Reds. 

[Qston]

Exactly - the hatred has fuck all to do with football, its thieving Scousers, its because we don't care about the Royals and the dirge we're expected to sing (ITS NOT A FUCKING NATIONAL ANTHEM, ITS A SONG ABOUT ONE OVERPRIVILEDGED PERSON YOU FORELOCK TUGGING c*nts), its because we won't lie down and be pissed and shit on by the establishment and because we fucking stand up for ourselves and for others. Basically Scousers aren't c*nts and the UK, which is full of c*nts, doesn't like it.

In a nutshell.

Fuck em

[Dubred]

Unfortunately now we're going to have another * beside our title win if we manage to do it this season 😁

Livarcheats!!