Topic: Injury news only thread. *

[Clint Eastwood]

Not necessarily mate. I have a fully torn ACL and could have had surgery, I chose not to have it and did physio but everyone in my classes had surgery even on partial tears as they were professional players of various sports (I am definitely not). Their respective clubs did not want to take the risk of having a player do a few months of of physio, still face issues (mostly during pivoting) and then going through the surgery after that, it would vastly increase their recovery time. It is my understanding that an ACL for example protects you from even more serious injuries but that in the past many players would tear them and not go under the knife. Plenty of players tear them more than once see Canales for example of Muniain if I am not mistaken.

I am no physio or expert, just sharing my experience after years of patella-femoral problems and an eventual fully torn ACL.

Fair enough, thanks for sharing.

Encouraging to see positive comments from Pearce and the BBC. Looks like Graeme Kelly's source might be wrong again

[BabuYagu]

Fair enough, thanks for sharing.

Encouraging to see positive comments from Pearce and the BBC. Looks like Graeme Kelly's source might be wrong again

He's not wrong. He just doesn't exist.

[fewmin' bedwetter]

James Pearce has changed his from pre-season to next season, but BBC still saying start of next season.

[Clint Eastwood]

He's not wrong. He just doesn't exist.

I think (if he does have one) it's Oliver Bond, who is somehow even more of a prat.

[redgriffin73]

To be honest the BBC report looks like a quickly cobbled together piece to stick online based on Ox's tweet and what they thought they already knew. If Pearce has changed his then he will likely have the newer info.

[TepidT2O]

Surely they have waited on Chamberlains injury, found it to be a little more serious and had to operate?

3 months do we reckon?  Might not quite make preseason...

[Samio]

Hope he comes back strong.... Just been watching some highlights, again, for our CL campaign....

"Here's Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain.......................... HE CAN HIT ONE, OH HE CAN HIT ONE!!"

[RyanBabel19]

While looking into knee injuries I read the amazing story of Shaun Livingston (NBA)...

Then saw his injury... 

If you are squeamish at all, don't watch it. Basically his knee popped out sideways, then he twisted his whole body on that leg and collapsed down on top of it. At one point there was talk of amputation.

Cheers for that, just had a read about it. Love having a look through things like that, refused to watch any footage or look at any pictures though so thanks for the warning beforehand

[slotmachine]

That the 'operation was a success' is just the typical token statement put out by specialist, team or athlete. Its normal protocol. It is no indication on how long Ox will be out. Have you ever heard of a footballer or an athlete in another sport who has had an operation when they have announced the operation was a failure and who knows when he will be back. It would be nice if Klopp or the club could offer some clarity on Ox's injury in the next couple of weeks. I dont think this will happen because Klopp doesnt like going into too much detail about injuries. He is a big loss and walks into our first 11 currently and i still think Klopp can get the Ox up another level. The Ox is going to be vital cog in our midfield injuries permitting in the coming seasons i feel.

(sorry for using the term 'the Ox' i know it makes me sound like a bellend. It used to get on my tits when the media and Arsenal fans would use it.)

[darragh85]

is lalanna injured again? 

[BabuYagu]

That the 'operation was a success' is just the typical token statement put out by specialist, team or athlete. Its normal protocol. It is no indication on how long Ox will be out. Have you ever heard of a footballer or an athlete in another sport who has had an operation when they have announced the operation was a failure and who knows when he will be back. It would be nice if Klopp or the club could offer some clarity on Ox's injury in the next couple of weeks. I dont think this will happen because Klopp doesnt like going into too much detail about injuries. He is a big loss and walks into our first 11 currently and i still think Klopp can get the Ox up another level. The Ox is going to be vital cog in our midfield injuries permitting in the coming seasons i feel.

(sorry for using the term 'the Ox' i know it makes me sound like a bellend. It used to get on my tits when the media and Arsenal fans would use it.)

Typically in that situation there would simply be another operation and the announcement would only be made when he finally has the successful outcome. I've certainly heard of many players needing "another operation" before.

[sirKennyDaggers]

Jurgen on stage at the awards saying we would already have qualified if only for the injuries,think even he is a tad downbeat due to the scale of the setbacks.
Oh,and AOC won goal of the season!

[Rob Dylan]

Getting slightly panicked every time this thread is bumped, just hoping everyone can get through the next couple of weeks unscathed.

[Schmidt]

Jurgen on stage at the awards saying we would already have qualified if only for the injuries,think even he is a tad downbeat due to the scale of the setbacks.
Oh,and AOC won goal of the season!

Not sure I agree, our squad has been too thin up top for two seasons now, we can't rotate a single member of the front three without a significant drop in quality and that's what has cost us points in the league more than anything.

[Rob Dylan]

Jurgen on stage at the awards saying we would already have qualified if only for the injuries,think even he is a tad downbeat due to the scale of the setbacks.
Oh,and AOC won goal of the season!

We've been unlucky with injuries in midfield but I hope this makes him realise that we really need a bigger squad, if we're going to challenge on more than one front.

[LFC when it suits]

Not sure I agree, our squad has been too thin up top for two seasons now, we can't rotate a single member of the front three without a significant drop in quality and that's what has cost us points in the league more than anything.

Don't see how our squad was too thin up top last season or the season before. Last season, we had Mane, Firmino, Coutinho, Sturridge and Origi for 3 positions. Our front three has suffered this season due to loaning out Origi, Sturridge and Coutinho without replacement, but up top has been pretty stacked until this season.

We've been unlucky with injuries in midfield but I hope this makes him realise that we really need a bigger squad, if we're going to challenge on more than one front.

How many midfielders do we realistically need for 3 positions? We have 6 midfielders for 3 positions as it stands. Defence is also stacked as we have 5 CBs for 2 positions (counting Gomez), 2 LBs and 3 RB. We are short on options up front and quality in midfield

[BabuYagu]

We've been unlucky with injuries in midfield but I hope this makes him realise that we really need a bigger squad, if we're going to challenge on more than one front.

There is also something to be said for how long you persist with players at a certain age who enter into a cycle of injuries, particularly muscle ones. There is a reason high energy pressing clubs don't carry many 29+ year olds in their squad outside of GK, CB, DM & ST.

[Schmidt]

Don't see how our squad was too thin up top last season or the season before. Last season, we had Mane, Firmino, Coutinho, Sturridge and Origi for 3 positions. Our front three has suffered this season due to loaning out Origi, Sturridge and Coutinho without replacement, but up top has been pretty stacked until this season.

As much as I like Sturridge, we knew last season he wouldn't stay fit. Origi had some good patches of form but was never good cover, especially for the wide positions, hence us shoving Lallana into the front three so often which upset our whole midfield.

Too often we've had to rely on players covering multiple positions, which is great when it works but as soon as someone gets injured we lose cover in a few places and the squad starts to look very thin very quick.

Hopefully we grow the core group this summer so we can rotate better and handle injuries.

[terry_macss_perm]

There is also something to be said for how long you persist with players at a certain age who enter into a cycle of injuries, particularly muscle ones. There is a reason high energy pressing clubs don't carry many 29+ year olds in their squad outside of GK, CB, DM & ST.

There is no way we can count on Lallana at 30. He’s at that age now where his production could fall off a cliff, especially with his injury record.

The smart move might be to cash in now while he still has some value - selling past-their-best players for decent money was something that the Mancs made into an art form when they were winning titles most seasons.

[Nessy76]

As much as I like Sturridge, we knew last season he wouldn't stay fit. Origi had some good patches of form but was never good cover, especially for the wide positions, hence us shoving Lallana into the front three so often which upset our whole midfield.

Too often we've had to rely on players covering multiple positions, which is great when it works but as soon as someone gets injured we lose cover in a few places and the squad starts to look very thin very quick.

Hopefully we grow the core group this summer so we can rotate better and handle injuries.

In the Midfield thread there's been some discussion about the squad size. We don't have many spaces to play with unless a few players move on.

3 keepers, 8 defenders (plus Trent), 7 mids (inc Keita & Grujic but no Can), 7 forwards (inc Sturridge & Origi but not Solanke who would need to be on the CL A list)=25 man squad.

Doesn't include Markovic, Flanagan, Kent, Randall, Chirivella, Allan or Wilson.

We already have too many to put everyone in the CL squad.

[BabuYagu]

In the Midfield thread there's been some discussion about the squad size. We don't have many spaces to play with unless a few players move on.

3 keepers, 8 defenders (plus Trent), 7 mids (inc Keita & Grujic but no Can), 7 forwards (inc Sturridge & Origi but not Solanke who would need to be on the CL A list)=25 man squad.

Doesn't include Markovic, Flanagan, Kent, Randall, Chirivella, Allan or Wilson.

We already have too many to put everyone in the CL squad.

I think we shouldn't have anybody in the squad that Klopp isn't confident he could throw in for 10 starts in the league and it not cost us.

The likes of Moreno & Klavan have shown that this season, no doubt why they are being offered new deals. However others like Ings, Mignolet, Sturridge, Origi are big question marks. All others likely have time on their side as young players or, with Lallana, will probably be given the chance to get fit and prove themselves one last time.

Shame with those named, I liked them all and backed them to succeed. But looking at it with no emotion, I don't see anybody being confident in them being the main backup in a position with league aspirations. When they got chances this season (here or elsewhere) they haven't taken them.

[Nessy76]

I think we shouldn't have anybody in the squad that Klopp isn't confident he could throw in for 10 starts in the league and it not cost us.

The likes of Moreno & Klavan have shown that this season, no doubt why they are being offered new deals. However others like Ings, Mignolet, Sturridge, Origi are big question marks. All others likely have time on their side as young players or, with Lallana, will probably be given the chance to get fit and prove themselves one last time.

Shame with those named, I liked them all and backed them to succeed. But looking at it with no emotion, I don't see anybody being confident in them being the main backup in a position with league aspirations. When they got chances this season (here or elsewhere) they haven't taken them.

Yes. Problem is with Mignolet, even if he leaves, we still need three keepers, and it's unlikely we'll find a club trained player, so we're no better off from that perspective. I think it's clear Sturridge wants a move at this point.

Anyway, don't want to go into transfer speculation as such, just that it's easy to forget how many players we have.

[Daniel Cabbaggio]

There is no way we can count on Lallana at 30.

Get the man a Zimmer frame and a taxi to the glue factory

[Schmidt]

In the Midfield thread there's been some discussion about the squad size. We don't have many spaces to play with unless a few players move on.

3 keepers, 8 defenders (plus Trent), 7 mids (inc Keita & Grujic but no Can), 7 forwards (inc Sturridge & Origi but not Solanke who would need to be on the CL A list)=25 man squad.

Doesn't include Markovic, Flanagan, Kent, Randall, Chirivella, Allan or Wilson.

We already have too many to put everyone in the CL squad.

The squad is pretty large but I try to look at the core group, the players who you expect to have a good game when they start, to see how deep the squad really is. In that respect the squad is definitely way too small, as we saw when we tried to use some of those bench players in the last few league games.

The one attacking player we have who has seen a good deal of rotation this season is Mane, and he looks fresher and sharper than everyone right now. If we get the depth right and can afford to rotate Firmino and Salah a little too, we could really start to end seasons strongly instead of running out of gas like we have this one and the last, and the injuries shouldn't mount up as much if players aren't being pushed to their limits.

[mkingdon]

We've been so lucky with a lack of injuries to the front three. Had we lost one, or more for any length of time we would have been seriously screwed.

With our midfield injuries, we don't even have AOC or Lallana to play up top as a make do.

We desperately need another first team quality attacker who can play central and wide. Maybe that plus Wilson would be enough cover along with a fit again AOC.

Fingers crossed for Sunday and the front three continue their charmed life before the final.

[CraigDS]

We've been so lucky with a lack of injuries to the front three. Had we lost one, or more for any length of time we would have been seriously screwed.

Mane came into the season on the back of 3 months out, and then had a month out around October time and took a while to get back into it.

[BobPaisley3]

Mane came into the season on the back of 3 months out, and then had a month out around October time and took a while to get back into it.

True but we still had Phil back then.

[paulrazor]

very annoying about lallana, he has the trickery and work rate to unlock defences

his goal return i dont think would be on the level of the front 3 now but he is good for 8-10 goals a season

a player like that is more than useful

True but we still had Phil back then.

[Ciara (with a capital "C")]

Has Lallana had a setback?

[Nessy76]

The squad is pretty large but I try to look at the core group, the players who you expect to have a good game when they start, to see how deep the squad really is. In that respect the squad is definitely way too small, as we saw when we tried to use some of those bench players in the last few league games.

The one attacking player we have who has seen a good deal of rotation this season is Mane, and he looks fresher and sharper than everyone right now. If we get the depth right and can afford to rotate Firmino and Salah a little too, we could really start to end seasons strongly instead of running out of gas like we have this one and the last, and the injuries shouldn't mount up as much if players aren't being pushed to their limits.

I agree, but we have a lot less room to manoeuvre than many seem to think. Very little "dead wood" which might mean we either make fewer signings than some are expecting, or see a few surprise exits.

So hard not to cross the line into transfer speculation, isn't it? Just injury related stuff from me from here on.

[Nessy76]

Has Lallana had a setback?

Nope. 

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/adam-lallana-declared-ready-help-14643741

Adam Lallana declared 'ready' to help Liverpool win the Champions League
The 30-year-old has made just three starts and 10 substitute appearances during an injury-hampered campaign

BY IAN DOYLE
10:27, 11 MAY 2018

Adam Lallana has declared himself ready to help Liverpool into the Champions League – and then win the final.

Lallana hasn't featured since limping out of the win at Crystal Palace with a hamstring problem on March 31.

The 30-year-old has made just three starts and 10 substitute appearances during an injury-hampered campaign.

But having been in full training this week, Lallana is now eager to help Jurgen Klopp's side in their final Premier League game at home to Brighton and Hove Albion on Sunday and the Champions League final against Real Madrid on May 26.

“I'm getting there,” said the midfielder. “I've been back in training a week or so now, so that's positive that I'm out on the grass.

“We've got two massive games now as a team so (I'll be happy) if I can contribute anything, just a small per cent to the lads bringing home the trophy and the top four.”

Lallana was at the LFC 2018 Players' Award event at Anfield on Thursday evening, and presented the Academy Player of the Season accolade to Harry Wilson.

And the England international expects Wilson to build on his impressive loan spell at Hull City by making an impact at Liverpool next season.

“He's hugely talented,” said Lallana. “Me and Harry have been good mates for a couple of years now and it's been great to see his development.

“The last three or four months, he's gone up another couple of levels, going out to Hull, where I know the manager Nigel Adkins well.

“Speaking to (Nigel) there, he said he's been absolutely brilliant for him.

“For him to get minutes on the pitch, that feeling of what it's like playing Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday and scoring goals, getting confident.

“It'll be good for him to have a rest after he plays for his country in the summer and come back for pre-season firing.”

Lallana added: “Personally, I never had any doubt. I've trained with him, played with him, and when you're professional and you play with players, you just know.

“It's not just that he's a good player, he's a smashing young lad with a great attitude as well.”

Follow @LivEchonews

[BabuYagu]

“Me and Harry have been good mates for a couple of years now and it's been great to see his development."

You wouldn't ordinarily expect a senior player to say that about a youth player. Wonder if he was the first team player mentoring him and hence why he was chosen to give out the award?

[LFC when it suits]

So not one reporter decided to ask Klopp at the press conference about when we can expect Ox to return after we just found out he had surgery.

[paulrazor]

Klopp saying no change with Can

think its safe to say he wont be in Kiev

[A-Bomb]

Klopp saying no change with Can

think its safe to say he wont be in Kiev

He's leaving the club mate.

[paulrazor]

He's leaving the club mate.

well duh but he is also injured

still could do with him on bench given the cover or lack of

oh well

[A-Bomb]

well duh but he is also injured

still could do with him on bench given the cover or lack of

oh well

He could feel like superman on the day, but you know our Jurgen - if you don't want to be here... he doesn't give too many fucks....just look at our ex french defender.

[paulrazor]

He could feel like superman on the day, but you know our Jürgen - if you don't want to be here... he doesn't give too many fucks....just look at our ex french defender.

i think Sakho wanted to be here but he was acting the mag

the Can contract rumours have been going on for a year and in that time he played quite a lot. between that and his injury i doubt we will see him in Kiev

even if he came on he would be rusty

[BabuYagu]

i think Sakho wanted to be here but he was acting the mag

the Can contract rumours have been going on for a year and in that time he played quite a lot. between that and his injury i doubt we will see him in Kiev

even if he came on he would be rusty

Many ways to view the same situation and circumstances though. Equally you could say that while Klopp remained hopeful Can would change his mind he, stuck by him. When he had exhausted that as a possibility, he stopped seeing him as an option.

Truth is we don't know. Your own perception of the limited information we have can be shaped whatever way you want. Nobody can prove either right or wrong.

[A-Bomb]

i think Sakho wanted to be here but he was acting the mag

the Can contract rumours have been going on for a year and in that time he played quite a lot. between that and his injury i doubt we will see him in Kiev

even if he came on he would be rusty

Absolutely agree mate - my point was simple Sakho alienated himself from Klopp, and without Can committing his future, he's done the same....so we should expect the same fate, fit or not....

Klopp actually pandered to his ego through this season by not only playing him but by also giving him the armband on occasion... i suspect he's now all but an after thought for the final buddy.... and rightly so. Good luck to him being at European Royalty elsewhere next season....