Topic: Injury news only thread. *

[Clint Eastwood]

Not disagreeing with you mate but it says a lot when we believe an ITK off twitter ahead of an actual journalist for one of the biggest newspapers in the country that, you would hope at least, can verify his information before running stories like that.

True. However, AnfieldExpress guy does say 'up to 9 months' so both of them could be correct really. You'd think with an ACL he'd miss the first couple of months though.

[BabuYagu]

True. However, AnfieldExpress guy does say 'up to 9 months' so both of them could be correct really. You'd think with an ACL he'd miss the first couple of months though.

Really don't want it to be an ACL. No matter what time from you put on it, the tendency for players to come back and reinjure, or look hugely off the pace compared to their former selves is worrying. I'd rather it is any other knee injury or even a broken leg.

[sms1986]

The mirror saying Chamberlin should be fine for the start of next season but will miss the World Cup.  Not quite as bad as first feared.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/alex-oxlade-chamberlain-expected-fit-12425927

Never heard of the journalist so a pinch of salt

A shame for him missing out on the World Cup but this would be good news for us.

[killer-heels]

Really don't want it to be an ACL. No matter what time from you put on it, the tendency for players to come back and reinjure, or look hugely off the pace compared to their former selves is worrying. I'd rather it is any other knee injury or even a broken leg.

Just shows how well Joe Gomez has done really considering he got an ACL.

[Clint Eastwood]

Really don't want it to be an ACL. No matter what time from you put on it, the tendency for players to come back and reinjure, or look hugely off the pace compared to their former selves is worrying. I'd rather it is any other knee injury or even a broken leg.

Yep, especially the type of player he is too. Struggle to think of a player of his type that came back and maintained their previous standard. Michael Owen is the poster boy for how damaging it can be to an 'explosive' player.

Fingers crossed for good news.

[b_joseph]

Really don't want it to be an ACL. No matter what time from you put on it, the tendency for players to come back and reinjure, or look hugely off the pace compared to their former selves is worrying. I'd rather it is any other knee injury or even a broken leg.

Especially when you consider that he'll rejoin the team mid-season. You look at lallana and even when he was playing, he didn't look anywhere near his real self...the missing of pre-season is difficult. Age is heavily on his side though.

Could really do with some out of the blue Emre good news within the next 3 weeks.

[stevensr123]

Especially when you consider that he'll rejoin the team mid-season. You look at lallana and even when he was playing, he didn't look anywhere near his real self...the missing of pre-season is difficult. Age is heavily on his side though.

Could really do with some out of the blue Emre good news within the next 3 weeks.

yep, if it's an ACL you might as well write him off for next season, With Klopp football it takes players to be at their physical best to fit into the team.  It would take ox a good 9 months just to get back into training, never mind full steam heavy metal football fitness ready.

The average return time is  12.2 months after surgery, 9 months is very very optimistic. Good thing is he is young and time is on his side to recover.

[arab88]

Some are saying that he will be fit for the start of next season!!!  I can't believe he will be out for 9 months, bullocks imo...

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

yep, if it's an ACL you might as well write him off for next season, With Klopp football it takes players to be at their physical best to fit into the team.  It would take ox a good 9 months just to get back into training, never mind full steam heavy metal football fitness ready.

The average return time is  12.2 months after surgery, 9 months is very very optimistic. Good thing is he is young and time is on his side to recover.

Hope you are wrong mate 

[lionel_messias]

Not disagreeing with you mate but it says a lot when we believe an ITK off twitter ahead of an actual journalist for one of the biggest newspapers in the country that, you would hope at least, can verify his information before running stories like that.

Either depends on the veracity of the source. The Mirror very famously falsified very serious Front page stories, so it might very well be that in this case the maligned "ITK" has the story.

I just hope it is not as bad as feared, poor guy.

[Nick110581]

Poor Ox if that is true. Lad been amazing on and off the field.

But that leaves us with Henderson, Milner, Gini and Keita for next year with Lallana on the fringes.

It looked bad judging by his reaction.

[redbyrdz]

"knee ligament injury" and "returning to action next season" on the club website.

[Nick110581]

"knee ligament injury" and "returning to action next season" on the club website.

Weird they haven't out a timescale on it.

[Gods_Left_Boot]

Weird they haven't out a timescale on it.

They normally wait 36/48 hours for the swelling to reduce before carrying out other tests. Most likely the club don't know the full extent of the injury yet.

[Clint Eastwood]

Weird they haven't out a timescale on it.

Suppose it's quite early. If it is an ACL they'll of course need to determine the extent of the damage and the appropriate management, and timescales can vary. Still shit like.

[Welshred]

Suppose it's quite early. If it is an ACL they'll of course need to determine the extent of the damage and the appropriate management, and timescales can vary. Still shit like.

ACL at high level elite football will equal surgery. Timescales don't vary, it's a minimum 9 months. That takes him to next year. If that was the case the club would have said next year. I said this in his thread he'd have been really unlucky if he's torn his ACL making that challenge, it's not an ACL mechanism, it's an LCL mechanism.

[Dazzer23]

What's the timeframe on an LCL Welshred? I know it's a good deal less than an ACL?

[killer-heels]

The statement talks about beginning a rehab program. Could it indicate no surgery?

[TepidT2O]

ACL at high level elite football will equal surgery. Timescales don't vary, it's a minimum 9 months. That takes him to next year. If that was the case the club would have said next year. I said this in his thread he'd have been really unlucky if he's torn his ACL making that challenge, it's not an ACL mechanism, it's an LCL mechanism.

I associate an acl with a lateral or twisting of the knee.  Is that a reasonable assumption?

This looked more like a hyperextension.  Is that right??

[Welshred]

What's the timeframe on an LCL Welshred? I know it's a good deal less than an ACL?

He could be back for pre-season, equally he could miss the first few months of the season.

The statement talks about beginning a rehab program. Could it indicate no surgery?

Potentially yes. The club may want to try conservative management first before surgery but if that fails it could be an option. These guys won't need prehab before surgery though as their muscle bulk and strength will already be optimised for post-op recovery.

[Welshred]

I associate an acl with a lateral or twisting of the knee.  Is that a reasonable assumption?

This looked more like a hyperextension.  Is that right??

Hyperextension can cause ACL disruption as well as it's role is to stop excessive forward movement of the tibia in relation to the femur, but it is also vulnerable to what we call pivot shifts, a combination of valgus stress (what you'd call knock knees if both were in valgus stress) to the knee and twisting to change direction.

Ox has a little bit of hyperextension from the tackle but mainly there's a large varus stress of the lateral joint line which is way more suggestive of LCL.

[TepidT2O]

He could be back for pre-season, equally he could miss the first few months of the season.

Potentially yes. The club may want to try conservative management first before surgery but if that fails it could be an option. These guys won't need prehab before surgery though as their muscle bulk and strength will already be optimised for post-op recovery.

Having a quick google, a second degree sprain is 6-8 weeks.  A third degree sprain sprain would need surgery.

It also says it’s incredibly painful(he was in pain, that’s for sure).


The club not being specific about the timeframe might suggest they are unclear as to whether it’s grade 2 or 3 I guess.

[killer-heels]

He could be back for pre-season, equally he could miss the first few months of the season.

Potentially yes. The club may want to try conservative management first before surgery but if that fails it could be an option. These guys won't need prehab before surgery though as their muscle bulk and strength will already be optimised for post-op recovery.

Yeah thats why I was wondering why they would even mention rehab or whethee surgery is considered a part of rehab. Everytime I have read of an ACL i am sure they have spoken about surgery straight away.

[Welshred]

Having a quick google, a second degree sprain is 6-8 weeks.  A third degree sprain sprain would need surgery.

It also says it’s incredibly painful(he was in pain, that’s for sure).


The club not being specific about the timeframe might suggest they are unclear as to whether it’s grade 2 or 3 I guess.

Grade 3s don't necessarily mean surgery. It depends on whether it's a complete rupture or whether some ligament fibres are still intact and the stability of the joint.

[Clint Eastwood]

ACL at high level elite football will equal surgery. Timescales don't vary, it's a minimum 9 months. That takes him to next year. If that was the case the club would have said next year. I said this in his thread he'd have been really unlucky if he's torn his ACL making that challenge, it's not an ACL mechanism, it's an LCL mechanism.

Cheers for the clarification. LCL would be the better of the two. Initially thought it looked like an ACL until I realised I was looking at the wrong leg . It does look like an LCL considering his knee bends slightly outwards during the initial impact.

It's very unlucky, Kolarov falls in to him awkwardly as he's mid-stride.

[TepidT2O]

Grade 3s don't necessarily mean surgery. It depends on whether it's a complete rupture or whether some ligament fibres are still intact and the stability of the joint.

Cheers!

[Fromola]

Club is cursed.

[Dench57]

Devastated for the lad, fast becoming my favourite midfielder and was excited to see him improving with every week 

Who can we realistically turn to in midfield now? Trent is one. Albie might have to be another. Any of the U23s?

[Black Bull Nova]

Pointless speculating without knowledge of the tear/extent, not all ACLs are the same, I've done mine twice and had one operation.

[LFC when it suits]

Pointless speculating without knowledge of the tear/extent, not all ACLs are the same, I've done mine twice and had one operation.

You aren't a professional footballer though. At that level, any kind of ACL tear will require surgery.

[CowboyKangaroo]

Club is cursed.

Custom tag checks out.

We just won the first leg of a champions league semi 5-2. Chin up mate.

[Machae]

Anyone from the youth who can likely step up in the midfield slot for the next few games. I know United had McTimothyDalton, who seemed ok for them.

[hansenite]

Hyperextension can cause ACL disruption as well as it's role is to stop excessive forward movement of the tibia in relation to the femur, but it is also vulnerable to what we call pivot shifts, a combination of valgus stress (what you'd call knock knees if both were in valgus stress) to the knee and twisting to change direction.

Ox has a little bit of hyperextension from the tackle but mainly there's a large varus stress of the lateral joint line which is way more suggestive of LCL.

Outstanding insight from all, thanks very much..  I personally feel a little less concerned, from what info we can gather,  that its leaning toward an LCL  and 8 weeks even, so finders crossed.

Gutted for the lad, especially for the world cup. We can always get back to a CL Final another year but losing out on 2 world cups is a massive blow for a guy who deserves better.

[hansenite]

Devastated for the lad, fast becoming my favourite midfielder and was excited to see him improving with every week 

Who can we realistically turn to in midfield now? Trent is one. Albie might have to be another. Any of the U23s?

Williams has been mentioned

[Black Bull Nova]

You aren't a professional footballer though. At that level, any kind of ACL tear will require surgery.

Indeed, but that is irrelevant, there is surgery and surgery and recovery differs due to the extent of required surgery. There are some views expressed here which are not speculative, they are valuable.

[kcbworth]

With Lallana, Can, Ox out, and Coutinho departed we are thin in midfield.

Mind you, we could easily play Moreno, Clyne or Trent as wingers if we need to see out a game we won early. Better imho than playing with Solanke or Ings who I don't believe are fitting the continuity particularly well

We also have Grujic and Woodburn on the books that could do a job, but not sure if their availability?

[Welshred]

Grujic has been playing for Cardiff for the last 4 months

[Ruddock]

I´ve read earlier that the loan agreement doesn´t allow that we recall Grujic this season. But Cardiff´s season ends before the CL final. Why can´t Grujic be available in the final? 

[Fordy]

I´ve read earlier that the loan agreement doesn´t allow that we recall Grujic this season. But Cardiff´s season ends before the CL final. Why can´t Grujic be available in the final? 

He would be.

[Living Legends]

He would be.

Dosent he have to be listed in our CL squad though? Which I'm sure he isnt as he hasnt been here.