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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #120 on: September 1, 2009, 10:35:43 PM »
This topic is stuffed full of bitter jilted lovers.

Chin up you lot, there's more fish in the sea. Maybe you'll strike up a passionate relationship with the Italian who's being saying complimentary things about you ;)

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #121 on: September 1, 2009, 10:35:50 PM »
So he wanted more money then and sunny weather. Good on him.

Oh, and a manager who wanted him. Rather than the one who tried to get rid of him, and before that, had issues with him while he wanted to be by his wife's side while they had their first child.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #122 on: September 1, 2009, 10:36:08 PM »
So he wanted more money then and sunny weather. Good on him.

He's from Spain, its understandable he may want to move back there. By the way criticising foreign players for seeking to return to their homeland after a few years is a bit rich when you realise how few British or Irish players can be bothered taking on the challenge in the first place. There was fuck all wrong with that Alonso interview and he clearly explained his motives on the back of some obvious grievances with the boss. All sounds fair enough to me.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #123 on: September 1, 2009, 10:37:45 PM »
Oh, and a manager who wanted him. Rather than the one who tried to get rid of him, and before that, had issues with him while he wanted to be by his wife's side while they had their first child.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #124 on: September 1, 2009, 10:38:15 PM »
Totally agree. Its all well and good him saying he loves the fans and all that, but he knew exactly how close the team was to success and he still left.

He has his reasons and he was a crucial member of the side, as important as the other 3 irreplaceable players. But he decided to leave. Its all good as well saying your professional but Rafa made a mistake which I am sure he would have tried to reverse. He did tell him and the world how crucial a player he was in the end.

I mean, its not like players don't mistakes do they?

I dont see why the team being close to success would make much difference. If you are gonna be fucked over or sold off by the company you work for, its hardly likely you will give a shit how they do.
I think Xabi does genuinely have an affection for liverpool's fans. But the club / management he no longer wanted to be a part of.
People are taking it far too personally, It seems he hasnt got much love for rafa and wanted out.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #125 on: September 1, 2009, 10:38:53 PM »
Oh, and a manager who wanted him. Rather than the one who tried to get rid of him, and before that, had issues with him while he wanted to be by his wife's side while they had their first child.

And straight into the arms of a club who's very own Chairmen said they saw him as a cost rather than an asset, because not many people wanted a Xabi Alonso shirt, as apposed to a Ronaldo or a Kaka shirt.

Score!

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #126 on: September 1, 2009, 10:40:42 PM »
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #127 on: September 1, 2009, 10:42:47 PM »
And straight into the arms of a club who's very own Chairmen said they saw him as a cost rather than an asset, because not many people wanted a Xabi Alonso shirt, as apposed to a Ronaldo or a Kaka shirt.

Score!

Id rather my chairman see me as a cost but still pays then have a manager who tries to get rid of me.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #128 on: September 1, 2009, 10:43:19 PM »
And straight into the arms of a club who's very own Chairmen said they saw him as a cost rather than an asset, because not many people wanted a Xabi Alonso shirt, as apposed to a Ronaldo or a Kaka shirt.

Score!

Yea, our chairman was very complimentary of him, wasn't he? And rather than talk, our manager tried to get rid of him last season. So why blame Xabi is he wanted to leave? He gave us his best.

He went to a club who bought Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema and others. They were building a pretty good team, and I'm sure he would have wanted to be a part of that squad.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #129 on: September 1, 2009, 10:46:30 PM »
And straight into the arms of a club who's very own Chairmen said they saw him as a cost rather than an asset, because not many people wanted a Xabi Alonso shirt, as apposed to a Ronaldo or a Kaka shirt.

Score!

surely you would rather go to the club as a cost than an asset..if i was told im being brought somewhere as an asset(ie to sell shirts ect) id much prefer to be be bought as someone who was needed for my on the pitch ability..
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #130 on: September 1, 2009, 10:46:44 PM »
And straight into the arms of a club who's very own Chairmen said they saw him as a cost rather than an asset, because not many people wanted a Xabi Alonso shirt, as apposed to a Ronaldo or a Kaka shirt.

Score!

And a manager who went out on a limb against said chairman to get the player he wanted for a huge sum for a player without "commercial" value.

Some of you seem incredibly bitter and need to get over it.  Considering we were willing to sell for £16 million a year ago then getting the season we did out of him and getting double that amount is about as good a scenario as we could have dared hope for.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #131 on: September 1, 2009, 10:50:18 PM »
id much prefer to be be bought as someone who was needed for my on the pitch ability..

which is why he is at madrid no?

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #132 on: September 1, 2009, 10:52:10 PM »
He's gone, he wanted to go to Real Madrid and he's gone. Move on.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #133 on: September 1, 2009, 10:52:24 PM »
Rafa clearly made a mistake with Xabi.  Let's accept that.  To do so would not detract from the fact that Rafa is an outstanding manager and the best man for the job.  I would be surprised if Rafa did not learn something from this episode, he is too intelligent not to.


I wouldn't.

Rafa is a great manager/coach/tactician but he's a stubborn tw@t and no mistake.  If the same thing happened again with another of our top players, I think he would do the same thing.

in both Stevie and Carra's books they have both stated that Benitez is very unemotional towards his playing staff.  I think he can probably be too callous at times and maybe he doesn't back down enough at times when it's clear he should say "yeh, you're right, it was my fault".

If he wasn't so stubborn, he would have walked away from us ages ago ala Keegan.

But because he is a man who will not be beaten in a personal battle, he stayed to fight on.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #134 on: September 1, 2009, 10:55:47 PM »
So he wanted more money then and sunny weather. Good on him.

Out of interest, have you ever uprooted your life to go and live and work abroad?

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #135 on: September 1, 2009, 10:58:05 PM »
in the interview on sky he mentions a couple of times that he`s happy to be at a club where he`s wanted.

That's a joy to know.





Oh, and a manager who wanted him.

Rafa wanted him to stay before he left.
 
Rather than the one who tried to get rid of him,

Again, Alonso was one of valuable selection of players in our squad that Rafa could afford to sell for transfer kitty; below par seasons (albeit injured for most of them), long contract and we wouldn't be exactly short in midfield if he were to go.

Barry was wanted, whether we the supporters wanted him or not. Rafa had to sell to buy. Alonso compared to Gerrard (unsellable), Mascherano (only signed a contract in Feb) or Lucas (won't pull in much money), Alonso was going to be the candidate to get the funds in for transfers.

...and before that, had issues with him while he wanted to be by his wife's side while they had their first child.

This gets twisted alot. The argument was that Alonso was undecisive about whether or not he should have travelled to Milan, Rafa got frustrated and made the decision for him. According to Rafa anyway.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #136 on: September 1, 2009, 10:58:10 PM »
He's from Spain, its understandable he may want to move back there. By the way criticising foreign players for seeking to return to their homeland after a few years is a bit rich when you realise how few British or Irish players can be bothered taking on the challenge in the first place.


I'm glad you feel like that because - along with the 50% tax thing next year - if ...

a) We don't win a trophy in the next 2 years, maximum.

or

b) Rafa walks,

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #137 on: September 1, 2009, 11:02:07 PM »
Fantastic plyer and my favourite at LFC whilst he was here, loved watching him play, control on and off the ball, vision, execution. I will mis him thats for sure but hey, Shit happens!

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #138 on: September 1, 2009, 11:02:19 PM »
if Rafa going to lose sleep over that...then Fergie's alcohol problem might have been because he sold Beckham, Stam, Ronaldo, Horse Face, etc :D
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #139 on: September 1, 2009, 11:04:30 PM »
That's a joy to know.

Rafa wanted him to stay before he left.
 
Again, Alonso was one of valuable selection of players in our squad that Rafa could afford to sell for transfer kitty; below par seasons (albeit injured for most of them), long contract and we wouldn't be exactly short in midfield if he were to go.

Barry was wanted, whether we the supporters wanted him or not. Rafa had to sell to buy. Alonso compared to Gerrard (unsellable), Mascherano (only signed a contract in Feb) or Lucas (won't pull in much money), Alonso was going to be the candidate to get the funds in for transfers.

This gets twisted alot. The argument was that Alonso was undecisive about whether or not he should have travelled to Milan, Rafa got frustrated and made the decision for him. According to Rafa anyway.

Did Rafa want him to stay the season before? And in this transfer window too, Rafa was after Barry.

Like you say, Alonso was the sellable one. So, is it really Xabi's fault that he wanted to leave for Madrid?

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"We could not wait and hear no information," he said. "In the end we had to decide because I can't wait and wait and wait for one player right until the end, when you don't know what's going on.

"The question is, when you can't change anything, the most important thing is to think about what you do with the other players."

Yes, Rafa made the decision. But he could have given Xabi the time to make a decision. Being a professional that he is, Xabi was probably looking at ways to solve both the issues.

And then again, Xabi got us the much needed 30m, while we were not able to get even 16m last year.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #140 on: September 1, 2009, 11:06:09 PM »
Rafa wanted him to stay before he left.



Only because Barry turned to City when Rafa thought he would come to us.

Had we got Barry for £12m when City did (during the Confeds cup?), he wouldn't have said a word about wanting to keep Xabi.

It was a vain attempt to keep hold of Xabi.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #141 on: September 1, 2009, 11:06:26 PM »
And then again, Xabi got us the much needed 30m

you mean G&H got 30m ;)
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #142 on: September 1, 2009, 11:07:40 PM »
It is true Rafa and the whole Juve/Barry thing was very underhand as was him not being allowed to see his baby being born.
Where did he say either of these things?

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« Reply #143 on: September 1, 2009, 11:08:32 PM »
Out of interest, have you ever uprooted your life to go and live and work abroad?

For 70k a week, I would consider it.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #144 on: September 1, 2009, 11:09:50 PM »
Rafa is not at fault. He may have wanted to sell Alonso to raise funds but in every walks of life people have misunderstandings and deterioration in relationships. Things like that happen and are deal with.

I think Alonso has the right to decide whats right and wrong for him, maybe he views what happened way differently than me and maybe he does want to go to Spain for his family but Rafa is not the villain here and Alonso's not the hero. Not that simple.

Alonso had the choice b/w us and Madrid. He chose to go to Madrid, when both the fans and the manager wanted to keep hold of him.

A sharp contrast to the season before and all things considered it was his best season with us, universal recognition and love as a player for us. Why not take that into perspective as well with the "bad" treatment over the Barry saga.

It's not covered or mentioned anywhere in the media or by the fans.

He is not wrong to leave the club for whatever reasons but Rafa's treatment, his wife and spain etc don't make it a right either. His departure is different to others, he was one of our most important players and the vital cog in the great team we had last season.

This season is our most important season in many years and no amount of money will get Aquilani to fit into our team straight away (maybe he will, but we are left in uncertainty). Rafa has to go out there all over again and get it right and I think our sympathies should lie with Rafa Benitez and ourselves. Not Alonso.  :wave
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #145 on: September 1, 2009, 11:11:22 PM »
For 70k a week, I would consider it.

And what if you were offered over a 100k back home?

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #146 on: September 1, 2009, 11:12:10 PM »
Yea, our chairman was very complimentary of him, wasn't he? And rather than talk, our manager tried to get rid of him last season. So why blame Xabi is he wanted to leave? He gave us his best.
No-one's blaming Xabi for wanting to leave and no-one should be blaming Rafa for making the difficult decision to sell him last summer.

This is what being a football club is all about.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #147 on: September 1, 2009, 11:13:17 PM »
He is not wrong to leave the club for whatever reasons but Rafa's treatment, his wife and spain etc don't make it a right either.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #148 on: September 1, 2009, 11:14:58 PM »
So the truth comes out at last. Fair enough I guess. Still wish he would have stayed one last year, but what can you do? If I was in a job and wanted to move elsewhere I would do so so I can{t really blame him.

Two sides to every story, lets remember he could have told Real to fuck off... but he didn't.. Not having a pop, just saying
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #149 on: September 1, 2009, 11:15:22 PM »
No-one's blaming Xabi for wanting to leave and no-one should be blaming Rafa for making the difficult decision to sell him last summer.

This is what being a football club is all about.

Agreed. Players come and go. And I can only thank a player like Xabi.

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« Reply #150 on: September 1, 2009, 11:16:33 PM »
For 70k a week, I would consider it.
Killer_Heels, he's got a point; money is not everything. I came to the US on a visa with $40 in my pocket, and supported my family of (then) three on $15K a year before taxes (student salary). My wife was not allowed to work at all. I have no idea how we survived. But I got my degree, got a decent job now, making about 10 times that initial bit, and I should be happy. But I'm not. I'm a tree without roots. The good thing about a footballer is the short career; after that you can move back where you want. But I'm stuck, and the kids are now grown up and half-Americanized. They are trees without roots too. Such damage can go on for generations, so I understand Xabi's thoughts toward his family, and why he puts them first.   
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« Reply #151 on: September 1, 2009, 11:22:07 PM »
For 70k a week, I would consider it.
thing is by going now, not only does he get to choose where he goes ( important don't you think) but he gets a pay rise, has to pay less tax, and is home in Spain with a team that can win things ... all in all the best deal Xabi could hope for short of signing for Barca
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #152 on: September 1, 2009, 11:22:31 PM »
It is true Rafa and the whole Juve/Barry thing was very underhand as was him not being allowed to see his baby being born.

You do realise that Rafa decided to leave Alonso at home for the Inter game.

So he did see his kid being born....

Some people just go to any length to find a stick to beat poor ol' Rafa with...
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« Reply #153 on: September 1, 2009, 11:24:41 PM »
And what if you were offered over a 100k back home?

Is it a crime to regard the football club you support as the be all and end all? I get frustrated when I have to accept the fact that the players that play for the football club don't support it to the levels that I and other fans do.

Fair enough, I shouldn't. I should just accept that we will always be a stepping stone for many of the worlds players. That probably does make me sound bitter, but there you are.

Alonso's decision was a purely football one. Thats a decision he took but I am not going to blame Rafa for it. On the flip side, I couldn't care less why he went nor do I want to 'understand' his reasons. He has gone and he is just another rival who I don't like and part of a team who I wish we beat in this years Champions League, just like the other teams in the competition.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #154 on: September 1, 2009, 11:24:52 PM »
You do realise that Rafa decided to leave Alonso at home for the Inter game.

So he did see his kid being born....

but rafa wasnt very happy with him choosing his family over the team - i could understand if the first leg was 0-0 or 0-1 but we were 2-0 and he should have let xabi be with his wife - even though he was able to work through some of his family issues doesnt mean that others can/are prepared to

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #155 on: September 1, 2009, 11:26:17 PM »
You do realise that Rafa decided to leave Alonso at home for the Inter game.

So he did see his kid being born....

Some people just go to any length to find a stick to beat poor ol' Rafa with...

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #156 on: September 1, 2009, 11:28:22 PM »

Alonso's decision was a purely football one. Thats a decision he took but I am not going to blame Rafa for it. On the flip side, I couldn't care less why he went nor do I want to 'understand' his reasons. He has gone and he is just another rival who I don't like and part of a team who I wish we beat in this years Champions League, just like the other teams in the competition.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #157 on: September 1, 2009, 11:29:37 PM »
For 70k a week, I would consider it.

This is what I'm getting at. Those who are emotionally unstable (and that's what this is about, you not being able to reconcile your emotions with the real world that exists outside football) over the loss of a player seem to be scratching around for any reason beat Alonso over the head for determining his own future and that of his family.

Wasn't having a go at you directly KH, but there seems to be so much focus on what supporters understand (wages, formations, winning trophies, tactics) that you're actually dehumanising the whole issue and boiling it down to your own criteria. Who's to say there are not further private reasons that the player doesn't wish to discuss?

Alonso's only obligation to ticket buying supporters was to play with full commitment every time he played. He did that time and time again and gave us immense enjoyment. After that his destiny is his own and such a professional doesn't warrant some of the misguided criticism coming his way.

He was a fantastic servant to LFC. He's now gone so we all need to move on, just as we did when Owen left. Just as we did when Hansen retired. Just as we did when Keegan moved on. All different reasons, but all examples of players exercising their right to control their own career and personal life.

I ask you this - why is Alonso any different?

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #158 on: September 1, 2009, 11:34:16 PM »

I ask you this - why is Alonso any different?

Should have kept his mouth shut abou last summer.

Keane hasn't gone on like this in the media. There is no point in Alonso trying this "poor me" in the press, because for many like me, it just will not wash.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #159 on: September 1, 2009, 11:39:51 PM »
Did Rafa want him to stay the season before? And in this transfer window too, Rafa was after Barry.

Like you say, Alonso was the sellable one. So, is it really Xabi's fault that he wanted to leave for Madrid?


No it's not his fault, but I can't stand this supporter frustration/anger 100% blame on Rafa because he made the decision to sell Alonso for much needed transfer funds (the correct decision I feel, seeing as Martin O'Twat wasn't going to lower his asking price for Barry).

And yet this whole drama got Xabi going again in his performances on the pitch. I have absolutley no issues with him wanting to return home for family issues and after the seed of doubt had been planted in his mind about whether or not he'd be wanted the next summer.

The issue I have is the timing and manner in the way he chose to go, we're after finishing a great campaign in the League and he knows that if he stuck around that we'd eventually get it sometime in the future. Just his mannerisms (probably being frustrated at the stalling between Liverpool and Real) when he spoke to the press just really let me down. And the sale going through 12 days before the League kicked off...

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Yes, Rafa made the decision. But he could have given Xabi the time to make a decision. Being a professional that he is, Xabi was probably looking at ways to solve both the issues.

But you see, I don't think there was time left to make a decision. They were on their way to the airport, Rafa made the correct decision in not letting him travel with the squad, it was an important game and we got through to the next round without him and he got to be with his partner. The media twisting it out to be that Rafa wanted him to travel but Alonso refused to is absolute nonsense. I'm sure Rafa wanted him to travel to Milan only on Xabi's own accord, but the indecisiveness Xabi had over leaving his probably on the verge of labour fiancée made Rafa choose the correct decision for him.


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And then again, Xabi got us the much needed 30m, while we were not able to get even 16m last year.

Which is a blessing, he became the player we all knew him to be and we were able to get the desired amount.
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