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Re: Paris
« Reply #1840 on: September 23, 2022, 12:27:01 pm »
UEFA bringing the report out at the end of November. I.e. wait for the World Cup to start so it gets buried.

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Re: Paris
« Reply #1841 on: September 23, 2022, 12:37:12 pm »
Its been said before on this forum, but David Conn has been outstanding. This, Hillsborough and on many other issues. One of the few that lives up to what journalism actually means.

He must cringe when no mark pundits/agenda driven hacks/click chasers/paid PR demean his profession by calling themselves journalists.

Quite a few journalists did good jobs over Paris, Rob Draper not someone I would usually speak up for did an excellent number of articles in his paper as well. Paris was a special case as it happened right in front of their noises and some got caught up in the tear gassing as well. No surprise on how brilliantly Conn has done on this he is one of the best investigation journalists.
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Re: Paris
« Reply #1842 on: September 23, 2022, 01:00:38 pm »
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/sep/23/liverpool-fans-1700-legal-action-uefa-paris-champions-league-final

Liverpool fans plan 1,700-strong legal action against Uefa over Paris final
Fans have registered with law firms to make claims for damages
Champions League final left supporters with injuries and PTSD


More than 1,700 Liverpool supporters who have reported that they suffered physical injuries or psychological trauma because of the chaos at the Champions League final in Paris on 28 May have registered with law firms to make claims for damages against Uefa.

People signing up for the potential group claims include some who reported that they sustained broken ribs in crushes at the Stade de France before the match between Liverpool and Real Madrid, and many more reporting symptoms of anxiety and post-traumatic stress disorder.

At the match, hosted by Uefa, the confederation of Europe’s national football associations, thousands of Liverpool supporters were directed by French police on a hazardous alternative route through a subway, leading to a narrow, bottleneck perimeter checkpoint where huge queues built up into a risk of crushing. Many turnstiles at the stadium were then closed for long periods, leading to static queues and a further crushing risk, and people were also affected by police using pepper spray and firing teargas. Uefa and the French authorities blamed Liverpool supporters for the chaos and kick-off delay.

Gerard Long, a partner at Binghams solicitors in Liverpool, said more than 1,300 people had registered their interest in a potential claim, most suffering from psychological trauma.

“We are representing people who suffered physical crushing injuries at the turnstiles, and very many people who have suffered psychologically; some were in fear of their lives,” Long said. “Clients have reported anxiety, PTSD, nightmares, never wanting to go to a European football match or even France again.

“Our case is that Uefa as the organisers had a duty of care to people – who paid a lot of money for tickets – and they breached it.”

The national firm Leigh Day has registered interest from 400 people who were at the match supporting Liverpool, said Jill Paterson, the partner leading the potential group claim. She said clients had reported suffering trauma and physical injury including broken bones and bruising from the crushes at the turnstiles, and injuries from being hit with police batons and shields.

People had given “really shocking” accounts of crushing, violence and distress, Paterson said, and reported panic attacks, anxiety, sleepless nights, flashbacks and fears for their safety at future matches.

“Our clients have told us that they were crushed and teargassed, and in fear for their lives,” Paterson said. “Some are people who were previously affected by the Hillsborough disaster.

“Thousands of people spent their hard-earned money on tickets and travel to what should have been a world-class event. Their safety should have been guaranteed; that is what they paid for as part of their ticket – a well-run event with all the necessary safety and security protocols and resources in place. There is no excuse for the chaos and trauma that unfolded. We were approached by one Liverpool fan almost immediately after the event and we have been looking into this since then and liaising with French lawyers to build a strong case to try and get some redress for the fans.”

Long and Paterson said their firms were in the final stages of gathering and reviewing the evidence and, working with French lawyers, preparing to write to Uefa detailing the claims.

Liverpool said this week that they had sent testimonials from 8,500 supporters to Uefa’s “independent review” of the near-disaster. Billy Hogan, Liverpool’s chief executive, said the evidence of supporters’ “harrowing experiences” identified congestion, insufficient travel information, problems at the perimeter checkpoint and turnstiles, “excessive riot policing tactics”, lack of communication, “the emotional impact of the incorrect reason for delayed kick-off” and problems getting in and out of the stadium.

Uefa declined to respond to questions from the Guardian about the proposed legal claims. It has said it will no longer respond to any questions about the events until its review has produced its report, which is expected at the end of November.

Uefa has said it sincerely apologises “to all the fans who had to experience or witness frightening and distressing situations that evening. No football fan should be put in that situation, and it must not happen again.”


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Re: Paris
« Reply #1844 on: Yesterday at 07:13:11 pm »
This is the latest from Rob Draper who did some really good work in the aftermath of the Paris debacle.

For past few months
@MailSport
 we’ve tried to report + investigate chaos of Stade de France at the Champions League final in Paris last May….in doing so we were contacted by so many #LFC fans with compelling stories that all deserves telling we were somewhat overwhelmed…

We had what we think is important evidence for the UEFA independent review led by Dr Rodrigues (who coincidentally is in Liverpool today meeting fans). Unsurprisingly it completely contradicts French interior minister
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 narrative of ticketless fans….

We believe the tech failures precipitated chaos. Contrary to established UEFA narrative, digital tickets were part of the problem. Tech meltdown was a primary cause compounded by a potentially fatal misdirection of 37,000 #LFC fans to an entrance designed for 10,000…

….all compounded by scarcely credible lack of communication between authorities, which put lives in danger, exacerbated by inept policing. However, the info we have is so huge, we weren’t sure what to do with it….

It was far too much for a normal newspaper article and yet too important not to publish. So we made a plan for a three-fold approach

1)
@cormaccsmith
 has put together this superb digital package, combining words with videos and photos we’ve been sent

2) We have actually put together all the testimonies into a mini report, which we will be sharing with the UEFA review. It’s substantial - 12,000 words - but the sheer weight of evidence tells its own story. We will publish it online shortly

3) and for those not ready for 12,000 words (!) we have this executive summary for the paper tmrw morning (which is basically the words in the digital link above)

Some PS notes

Firstly, I need to thank the scores of fans who contacted us. There were more than 40 interviewed for this (+ we referenced other reports and credible accounts)

We are now at a critical mass where it’s impossible to thank everyone individually…

But you know who you are and without you, journalism like this can’t happen. It is the sheer weight of testimonies that allows us to be confident we can shed some light on this. And be bold enough to offer recommendations to UEFA (more of that next week)……

I was marginally caught up in chaos but those I spoke to had much worse experiences. Thank you for contacting us, for being patient with our questions + bearing with us as we complied all this. It’s one of those times where you feel everyone’s story deserves to be told….

I think we came close to something tragic that night and I shuddered writing down the words - especially how 37,000 fans were misdirected. It reminded me of reading the Hillsborough report by Ld Justice Taylor as a student…

I can’t let this thread pass without acknowledging
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@guardian_sport
 

Frankly, the more media that work on this the better

https://t.co/JUN5rYuvxz

Lastly UEFA have seen our full report. They can’t comment at present as they have to let the review do its work. But they corrected a couple of things we had misinterpreted or where translation had caused confusions.
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Re: Paris
« Reply #1845 on: Today at 01:19:04 pm »

'SOS Submission to UEFA Inquiry':-

https://spiritofshankly.com/submission-uefa-inquiry
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Re: Paris
« Reply #1846 on: Today at 02:05:05 pm »
'SOS Submission to UEFA Inquiry':-

https://spiritofshankly.com/submission-uefa-inquiry

An excellent summary.

Well done SOS.

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Re: Paris
« Reply #1847 on: Today at 03:35:06 pm »
An excellent summary.

Well done SOS.

Excellent: analytical, questioning and authoratative with a modicum of emotion, enough for emphasis without being subjective. Well done to all concerned and another example of why we need SOS and other representative supporter groups.