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The incoming Tory Tax Cuts..

Brilliant! With everyone struggling at the moment, a few hundred quid would be most welcome
Maybe a small one, but money should be spent on failing public services
I am an egg and I like cheese and fluffy squirrels called Bob. Bob the Fluffy squirrel is my fave babes.
There shouldn't be a tax cut when public services are already so broken. Keep spending what we are
Far more investment is needed in this country. Spend the money where it's needed now and fuck this stupid Austerity shite.

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« Reply #15160 on: September 29, 2022, 03:46:12 pm »
They're tripling down on the lies that this is a global issue - and completely ignoring the fact it was entirely caused by his shit speech.

They're a fucking disgrace.

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« Reply #15161 on: September 29, 2022, 03:47:36 pm »
Those clips are painful.

If she had even 1% of decency in her, I'd almost feel sorry for her.

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« Reply #15162 on: September 29, 2022, 03:52:32 pm »
I don't intend to pay even half of that anyway!


But apparently she was vague enough in her answer that you likely can't sue her.

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« Reply #15163 on: September 29, 2022, 03:54:04 pm »

 ;D


In the light of some earlier posts there's a joke about spreads which I will not make


I will say thought that Utterly Useless is probably a good marketing slogan for this lot, resistible




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« Reply #15164 on: September 29, 2022, 03:59:39 pm »
I can’t believe she’s not better.


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« Reply #15165 on: September 29, 2022, 04:00:40 pm »
Those clips are painful.

If she had even 1% of decency in her, I'd almost feel sorry for her.


The comment 'fucking moron' seems totally appropriate.


I thought the imitation clip was a piss take, I did not think it was a replay
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« Reply #15166 on: September 29, 2022, 04:06:06 pm »

Csn you all just Lurpak it in with these puns

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« Reply #15167 on: September 29, 2022, 04:11:24 pm »
The £ is going up Truss’a plans are working people!

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« Reply #15168 on: September 29, 2022, 04:19:22 pm »
The £ is going up Truss’a plans are working people!

Thing is - if the £ somehow stabilises at about $1.10 they'll play that as a good result. Ignoring the fact it was $1.13 on Thursday when Kwarteng started speaking $1.17 when Truss took office, and in the $1.35 at the start of the year.

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« Reply #15169 on: September 29, 2022, 04:24:32 pm »
Thing is - if the £ somehow stabilises at about $1.10 they'll play that as a good result. Ignoring the fact it was $1.13 on Thursday when Kwarteng started speaking $1.17 when Truss took office, and in the $1.35 at the start of the year.

Yeah will be interesting to see what the spin will be I do think we’ll see the £ go back to $1.20-1.40 levels again in a few months.

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« Reply #15170 on: September 29, 2022, 04:46:59 pm »
Never happen, UK is too divided and at loggerheads with itself...Left  v Right, North V South, Region V Region, City v City.....there is no unity in the UK..everyone hates each other who isn't ´them´...you need commonality for PR to work...politicians must work together and means getting into bed with ´the enemy´....UK is too ¨polarised for PR.

I live in Netherlands who have  a similar PR set up ( with insane number of parties) ...took them nearly a year to form a government after elections.. doing deals with different parties/views  form a Government plan ( which they are obliged to stick too)....Im not that knowledgeable enough to know details , but for all its faults ( and it has them) the NL isn't a basket case like UK so it sorta works

Strong tradition in the Netherlands of working together across political boundaires, decisions by committee, thorough discussion before finalizing policy, theory is that building all the dikes and the accompanying dependence on the structures fostered this mindset. Massive contrast to the tribal nature of so much of British politics and culture that you pointed out...
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« Reply #15171 on: September 29, 2022, 04:49:18 pm »
Strong tradition in the Netherlands of working together across political boundaires, decisions by committee, thorough discussion before finalizing policy, theory is that building all the dikes and the accompanying dependence on the structures fostered this mindset. Massive contrast to the tribal nature of so much of British politics and culture that you pointed out...

Isn’t there a similar tradition of working together in the Nordic countries, although that may be changing?

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« Reply #15172 on: September 29, 2022, 04:55:54 pm »
If we go with this theory then I would say her biggest problem is that she doesn't know what she doesn't know, which is still pretty bloody awful and dangerous as there's nothing worse than someone who thinks they know what they're talking about but actually doesn't.

As far as media coverage is concerned, I think Tories in general and Truss in particular have already lost the media war.  It won't matter how their pet zealots try to spin this. The British people are passive and easily mugged, but they're also really fucking angry right now. Angry people are motivated people - angry enough to discern a lot of what they're being told by the government and their media backers is a bagfull of sweaty scrotums.

You can control a docile electorate, but too much has happened too fast and I think it's woken a lot of people up.

I understand your sentiment and generally agree with a lot of stuff you post on here.

However, I'd disagree on a couple of related things but we're on the same page. On your point about the media, the Tories may have lost a battle, but definitely not the war. As an aside, the type of media they are allingned to would love that lazy analogy. Take the example of the Mail/Express. They've done their usual trick and downplayed the crisis massively, in terms of ignoring it as front page news today. As soon as things take the mildest of upticks, they'll be splashing it all over the front pages. Sure as shit.

Also, whilst a lot of the population are concerned, I wouldn't say that the overall feeling of the country is angry. Don't get me wrong. It should be very angry. No real hint of any meaningful disquiet or significant protests. Not even close to the poll tax protests, or any protest at all. Just a general feeling of shrug your shoulders apathy and disappointment.

Edit: For context, the closest I could point to my personal feelings are to redirect anyone to REM's Ignoreland. Approx 30 years since it was written but it's as if it was written for this very situation. The bastards stole the power.
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« Reply #15173 on: September 29, 2022, 05:04:07 pm »
Labour leads by 17%, largest lead for them that we've EVER recorded.

Westminster Voting Intention (28-9 Sept):

Labour 46% (+2)
Conservative 29% (-2)
Liberal Democrat 13% (+2)
Green 4% (-2)
SNP 3% (-1)
Reform UK 4% (+2)
Other 1% (–)

Changes +/- 25 Sept

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« Reply #15174 on: September 29, 2022, 05:05:52 pm »
I can’t believe she’s not better.
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« Reply #15175 on: September 29, 2022, 05:09:58 pm »
They're tripling down on the lies that this is a global issue - and completely ignoring the fact it was entirely caused by his shit speech.

They're a fucking disgrace.

Basically the opposite of 2008 when they successfully blamed Labour for what was a global problem.
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« Reply #15176 on: September 29, 2022, 05:13:18 pm »
Yeah will be interesting to see what the spin will be I do think we’ll see the £ go back to $1.20-1.40 levels again in a few months.

That's encouraging to hear.

I'm more worried about interest rates though - any 'good' they done by limiting the energy bills will be totally undone by having a massive increase in mortgage repayments.

You might say that it is better to impact the people that can afford houses etc, but rates rising from 2 to 5% will mean a lot of people having to sell up - lower house prices - negative equity... all sounding too familiar!

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« Reply #15177 on: September 29, 2022, 05:13:20 pm »
i guess we have to remember that boris was a bumbling buffoon and unfortunately his popularity turned from people laughing at him to people laughing at the tory party

it seems they have gone with the antithesis of bojo

that's the only reasoning i can think of

The reality is they aren't as smart as they think or they're made out to be.

For a Tory Major wasn't a bad egg but he was basically toast from Black Wednesday 1992 and kept as a lame duck for 5 years. Then William Hague replaced him. Then Ian Duncan Smith. Then Michael Howard. Dreadful appointments. They got lucky with Cameron as Brown would have won in 2007 if he didn't bottle an election and nobody would even remember who Cameron was. Then everything went wrong for Labour and Cameron still couldn't win a majority in 2010 and got lucky with Clegg. 2015 he had to gamble the country's future to win that election which led to Brexit. Then Teresa May who was hopeless. Then Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. Now Truss.

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« Reply #15178 on: September 29, 2022, 05:14:12 pm »
Basically the opposite of 2008 when they successfully blamed Labour for what was a global problem.

Labour need to hammer that point for the next 2 years. You blamed Labour for a global problem for years, so now take ownership of this.

Of course the Tories would never own up to anything.
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« Reply #15179 on: September 29, 2022, 05:24:32 pm »
Csn you all just Lurpak it in with these puns
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« Reply #15180 on: September 29, 2022, 05:32:56 pm »
“BREAKING

Labour have a 33 POINT LEAD with YouGov/Times

Yes, 33. THIRTY-THREE POINTS

Lab: 54 (+9)
Con: 21 (-7)
Lib: 7 (-2)
Green: 6 (-1)
Ref: 4 (+1)”

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« Reply #15181 on: September 29, 2022, 05:35:39 pm »
“BREAKING

Labour have a 33 POINT LEAD with YouGov/Times

Yes, 33. THIRTY-THREE POINTS

Lab: 54 (+9)
Con: 21 (-7)
Lib: 7 (-2)
Green: 6 (-1)
Ref: 4 (+1)”

Yep - just heard that one on LBC
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« Reply #15182 on: September 29, 2022, 05:36:30 pm »
As a wise man once said, any other leader would be 20 points ahead :)
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« Reply #15183 on: September 29, 2022, 05:36:55 pm »
“BREAKING

Labour have a 33 POINT LEAD with YouGov/Times

Yes, 33. THIRTY-THREE POINTS

Lab: 54 (+9)
Con: 21 (-7)
Lib: 7 (-2)
Green: 6 (-1)
Ref: 4 (+1)”

Absolutely incredible. I can't believe I'm saying it but the Tories are done for a generation.

Anyone know what this would like like in terms of seats?
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« Reply #15184 on: September 29, 2022, 05:37:16 pm »
As a wise man once said, any other leader would be 20 points ahead :)
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« Reply #15185 on: September 29, 2022, 05:37:46 pm »
That 21 is missing a decimal point halfway through it. Even the rich surely are getting itchy, since their money is worth a lot less? Who would think they’re doing the right thing for them?

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« Reply #15186 on: September 29, 2022, 05:38:54 pm »
Just a slight lead then…

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« Reply #15187 on: September 29, 2022, 05:40:50 pm »
“BREAKING

Labour have a 33 POINT LEAD with YouGov/Times

Yes, 33. THIRTY-THREE POINTS

Lab: 54 (+9)
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« Reply #15188 on: September 29, 2022, 05:42:17 pm »
Absolutely incredible. I can't believe I'm saying it but the Tories are done for a generation.

Anyone know what this would like like in terms of seats?

Let's first be clear that this result would never, ever happen in an actual election but just for fun, running the YouGov poll through electoral calculus gives this:

Electoral Calculus (Proposed 2023 Boundaries):

Labour - 571 (+368)
Tories - 2 (-363) ;D
Lib Dems - 6 (-5)
Greens - 1
SNP - 51 (+3)
Plaid - 1 (-3)
NI - 18
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« Reply #15189 on: September 29, 2022, 05:44:08 pm »
As a wise man once said, any other leader would be 20 points ahead :)

Fair play.  ;D

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« Reply #15190 on: September 29, 2022, 05:46:31 pm »
“BREAKING

Labour have a 33 POINT LEAD with YouGov/Times

Yes, 33. THIRTY-THREE POINTS

Lab: 54 (+9)
Con: 21 (-7)
Lib: 7 (-2)
Green: 6 (-1)
Ref: 4 (+1)”

Its like Brighton scoring three times in first 20 minutes against Man City. It's too soon to opening that kind of a lead
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« Reply #15191 on: September 29, 2022, 05:49:13 pm »
Let's first be clear that this result would never, ever happen in an actual election but just for fun, running the YouGov poll through electoral calculus gives this:

Electoral Calculus (Proposed 2023 Boundaries):

Labour - 571 (+368)
Tories - 2 (-363) ;D
Lib Dems - 6 (-5)
Greens - 1
SNP - 51 (+3)
Plaid - 1 (-3)
NI - 18

I know it’s just for laughs but any ideas who would be the two Tories remaining would be?
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« Reply #15192 on: September 29, 2022, 05:50:50 pm »
I know it’s just for laughs but any ideas who would be the two Tories remaining would be?

Both in Scotland weirdly enough

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« Reply #15193 on: September 29, 2022, 05:51:24 pm »
Let's first be clear that this result would never, ever happen in an actual election but just for fun, running the YouGov poll through electoral calculus gives this:

Electoral Calculus (Proposed 2023 Boundaries):

Labour - 571 (+368)
Tories - 2 (-363) ;D
Lib Dems - 6 (-5)
Greens - 1
SNP - 51 (+3)
Plaid - 1 (-3)
NI - 18
I take your pint, but don't be so quick - there's well over two years to go before the next election and Truss has been there for only three weeks! :D

Really, though, the country cannot afford for the Tories to remain in power any longer. But what mechanism is there to remove them? Are enough of the PCP going to vote down the Government in VoNC?
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Re: Conservatives: wholly-owned subsidiary of the ERG and 55 Tufton Street
« Reply #15194 on: September 29, 2022, 05:52:33 pm »
“BREAKING

Labour have a 33 POINT LEAD with YouGov/Times

Yes, 33. THIRTY-THREE POINTS

Lab: 54 (+9)
Con: 21 (-7)
Lib: 7 (-2)
Green: 6 (-1)
Ref: 4 (+1)”
Wow! There's also a 21 point lead with Survation
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« Reply #15195 on: September 29, 2022, 05:53:02 pm »
I know it’s just for laughs but any ideas who would be the two Tories remaining would be?

They'd both be in Scotland, David Mundell in Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale and John Lamont in Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk.
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« Reply #15196 on: September 29, 2022, 05:53:41 pm »
Can’t see her lasting beyond 6 months to be honest.

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Re: Conservatives: wholly-owned subsidiary of the ERG and 55 Tufton Street
« Reply #15197 on: September 29, 2022, 05:54:40 pm »
Let's first be clear that this result would never, ever happen in an actual election but just for fun, running the YouGov poll through electoral calculus gives this:

Electoral Calculus (Proposed 2023 Boundaries):

Labour - 571 (+368)
Tories - 2 (-363) ;D
Lib Dems - 6 (-5)
Greens - 1
SNP - 51 (+3)
Plaid - 1 (-3)
NI - 18

Oh my word. Cheers for that, much appreciated
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Re: Conservatives: wholly-owned subsidiary of the ERG and 55 Tufton Street
« Reply #15198 on: September 29, 2022, 05:56:21 pm »
Its like Brighton scoring three times in first 20 minutes against Man City. It's too soon to opening that kind of a lead

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Re: Conservatives: wholly-owned subsidiary of the ERG and 55 Tufton Street
« Reply #15199 on: September 29, 2022, 05:57:05 pm »
I expect then, with that lead, Starmer probably will not countenance an electoral pact for the next election, or PR in the next parliament. ::)

I still think both of those things should happen, for the sake of unity and because if does not happen then, it might not for a generation or even a lifetime.
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