Topic: Never mind 'Stop the Boats' - STOP THE TORIES

[Machae]

The palace has confirmed he will not go to the summit, "after seeking advice from Truss".



That is interesting...wonder how royalist conservatives feel about the PM telling the king what to do.

Why the fuck is he even listening to her?

[Jiminy Cricket]

Why the fuck is he even listening to her?

Maybe Truss threatened - like she did with his mum - to hex him.

[McSquared]

Why the fuck is he even listening to her?

https://mobile.twitter.com/DAVID_FIRTH/status/1575473269351845888

[BarryCrocker]

Absolutely wild stories in the Times.

"Liz Truss has told King Charles III to “stay away” from COP27 summit as embattled PM looks to water down climate change commitments"

He's probably counting his blessings he doesn't have to share the stage with her.

[Wabaloolah]

https://newsroom.bankofamerica.com/bernard-mensah

Seems that someone a The Mirror did not properly read the description at the stock photo agency, Alamy:

https://www.alamy.com/london-england-uk-28th-sep-2022-image484261729.html

blimey I bet that guy wasn't happy being mistaken for our charlatan Chancellor

[Indomitable_Carp]

Why the fuck is he even listening to her?

She´s already bumped off his ma. Doesn´t want to be next.

[TSC]

Watching Truss on Kuenssberg currently.  Usual waffle and zero substance.  She’s focused on Ukraine apparently.  Let’s skip domestic considerations

[McSquared]

Nadine Dorries: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson was one of the world’s great leaders. I’m baffled we kicked him out

https://archive.ph/fHs3O

I think she has been locked away in a lunatic asylum

[TSC]

Truss just confirmed the OBR report won’t be published by end of November.  Not sure if she got mixed up in waffling or actually means it.

[killer-heels]

Gove really going at Truss, with her just opposite. This is going to be a very interesting conference.

[TSC]

Gove really going at Truss, with her just opposite. This is going to be a very interesting conference.

Yep he’s tearing her a new one.

[killer-heels]

Yep he’s tearing her a new one.

He said he wont vote for it. Now he is an outlier because he knows his days are numbered, but will be interesting to see.

[chalky52]

Well done to those who can sit through the interview I have had to mute it for my TVs well being and my own mental health. It shows how broken the political system is in the UK that she can become Prime Minister. She is incredibly vapid, has no personal charisma, no record of success in any government role the only reason anyone would follow her is for personal promotion. Are we in the situation where the Mail, Express & the rag decide our politics?

[killer-heels]

Kami c*nt has just been thrown under the bus by Truss.

[Red-Soldier]

Kwasi Kwarteng ‘attended champagne party with financiers on mini-budget day’

Guests, which included hedge fund managers, allegedly congratulated the chancellor and told him to ‘double down’

Kwasi Kwarteng reportedly attended a private champagne reception with hedge fund managers at the home of a Conservative donor on the same day he delivered his mini-budget.

The chancellor is alleged to have given guests information about forthcoming government spending cuts during the event at the west London home of Andrew Law, a financier, on the evening of Friday 23 September.

Kwarteng’s mini-budget earlier in the day, which introduced a £45bn package of tax cuts that will mostly benefit the richest fifth of households, triggered economic turmoil – with sterling collapsing to its lowest level since 1985 and the Bank of England acting to save pension funds.

The Labour leader, Keir Starmer, has called for the recall of parliament to address the financial crisis.

The chancellor is said to have told attenders at the reception of austerity-style budget cuts to come while guests drank wine, champagne and cocktails as they congratulated him on the measures announced in the House of Commons, according to the Sunday Times.

A source told the newspaper: “He wanted to give an unadulterated message of ‘growth, growth, growth’ and that’s why he didn’t talk about savings, because otherwise the [news] agenda would have been all about savings – ‘where will you cut? What will you cut? Blah blah blah’ – they’re fully aware they have to make savings.”

Two sources said Kwarteng described that day as a “great day for freedom”.

Another said guests told Kwarteng to “double down” – an approach from which some stood to make profits.

Tory officials told the Sunday Times that Kwarteng attended the gathering at Law’s home, which was arranged by the Conservative party’s campaign headquarters, for an hour to talk through his mini-budget plans and gave a five-minute speech.

The Liberal Democrat Treasury spokeswoman, Sarah Olney, said: “While struggling homeowners saw their mortgage bills spiral, it seems the chancellor was sipping champagne with hedge fund managers profiting from the falling pound.

“How out of touch can you get? We need an official inquiry into this now.”

A source close to the chancellor said: “Any suggestion attendees had access to privileged information is total nonsense.

“The growth plan [published earlier that day] included a commitment to review our tax code to make it simpler, better for families and more pro-growth. The government’s ambitions on lowering the tax burden are hardly a state secret.”

Kwarteng has said he will set out further details of his economic strategy when he publishes his medium-term fiscal plan on 23 November.

But the Treasury select committee, made up of MPs from all parties, has demanded that the chancellor release a full economic forecast from the Office for Budget Responsibility by the end of October.

The Treasury has been approached for comment.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/01/kwasi-kwarteng-reportedly-spoke-of-austerity-cuts-at-champagne-party

[McSquared]

Well done to those who can sit through the interview I have had to mute it for my TVs well being and my own mental health. It shows how broken the political system is in the UK that she can become Prime Minister. She is incredibly vapid, has no personal charisma, no record of success in any government role the only reason anyone would follow her is for personal promotion. Are we in the situation where the Mail, Express & the rag decide our politics?

She can’t even get the sound bites right. Grow the pie ffs

[McSquared]

Kwasi Kwarteng ‘attended champagne party with financiers on mini-budget day’

Guests, which included hedge fund managers, allegedly congratulated the chancellor and told him to ‘double down’

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/01/kwasi-kwarteng-reportedly-spoke-of-austerity-cuts-at-champagne-party

Sounds like insider trading to me

[BarryCrocker]

Kwasi Kwarteng ‘attended champagne party with financiers on mini-budget day’

Guests, which included hedge fund managers, allegedly congratulated the chancellor and told him to ‘double down’

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/01/kwasi-kwarteng-reportedly-spoke-of-austerity-cuts-at-champagne-party

Disgusted they weren't drinking Sparkling English wine.

Also, I hope he make the effort to have breakfast or even lunch with some the people who's benefits he's probably going to cut.

[TSC]

Beeb paper review focusing on todays poll in the Observer that shows 71% of Tory voters believe the Tories have lost control of the economy and Labours lead over the Tories has shot up by 14points in the last week (from 5 to 19).

[Lusty]

Beeb paper review focusing on todays poll in the Observer that shows 71% of Tory voters believe the Tories have lost control of the economy and Labours lead over the Tories has shot up by 14points in the last week (from 5 to 19).

That poll is the one that handles don't know answers differently, so 19 points is actually worse than the 33 point lead in the other polls.

Normally when you get poll numbers like this, someone ends up joining the Russian Federation.

[Indomitable_Carp]

Sounds like insider trading to me

I was going to say. Surely that is out and out criminality?! Shouldn´t the Police be investigating something like this?

Normally when you get poll numbers like this, someone ends up joining the Russian Federation.

 

[Red Raw]

That is actually obscene advertising and worse than anything I have ever seen from the private sector, including miracle cures from the wild west. I am going to look in to complaining to the advertising standards agency

I did send it to fullfact.org and I did read than some were considering going to the ASA over it. As I said earlier I redid the calcs and came up with disposable income of £21 but the point remains that the so-called saving touted is virtually impossible to realise.

Full Fact have had a go at this. A slightly different take, but a similar conclusion.
https://fullfact.org/economy/treasury-terraced-house-tweet/

[TepidT2O]

Gove really going at Truss, with her just opposite. This is going to be a very interesting conference.

He said he wont vote for it. Now he is an outlier because he knows his days are numbered, but will be interesting to see.

I think this is quite significant…

Gove is a big presence… and what’s he got to lose?

[PaulF]

It's a while off yet, but am expecting to have to holiday with the brother in law. From memory he won't vote labour because Blair illegally killed millions of Iraqis.  I'm not sure if I could get him to look at the lib Dems or the greens, but how would you address this stance? I'm off balance because until t recently I assumed that he'd just been badly briefed but it seems the general stance is that he knew what he was doing?

[Wabaloolah]

It's a while off yet, but am expecting to have to holiday with the brother in law. From memory he won't vote labour because Blair illegally killed millions of Iraqis.  I'm not sure if I could get him to look at the lib Dems or the greens, but how would you address this stance? I'm off balance because until t recently I assumed that he'd just been badly briefed but it seems the general stance is that he knew what he was doing?

I still believe that Tony Blair believed that Sadam had WMDs, a squaddy I know who was involved in the search for WMDs is convinced that he had them and moved them to Syria so they could not be found.

That's irrelevant today though, it was 20 years ago, Starmer was not even an MP when it happened, and there were only a handful of current MPs in parliament at the time.

The Tory scum also supported the war and you can guarantee would have made exactly the same call had they been on power.

I was not in favour of Iraq, mainly because it meant getting into bed with Bush. It was a costly error not just for the people of Iraq but for the voters in this country but as I said it was 20 years ago and is irrelevant with what is happening today

[PaulF]

I understand it's 20 years ago. But that's the barrier I want to break down.  The fact the Tories backed it is probably more helpful.
Same argument that sadly can be held against labour over brexit.

[Jiminy Cricket]

blimey I bet that guy wasn't happy being mistaken for our charlatan Chancellor

I expect that even Mugabe would have been unhappy being mistaken for Kwarteng.

Thought the.guy looked more like Mugabe to be honest

[Wabaloolah]

Just catching up with the Truss interview this morning. Every time she opens her gob she makes things worse.

They literally couldn't have picked a worse leader.

She has no chance of winning a general election, her interviews are worse than Johnson's bumbling interviews

[Wabaloolah]

People who voted Conservative in 2019 voted for a different future!

Well Liz, they certainly got one didn't they!

[Kenny's Jacket]

It's a while off yet, but am expecting to have to holiday with the brother in law. From memory he won't vote labour because Blair illegally killed millions of Iraqis.  I'm not sure if I could get him to look at the lib Dems or the greens, but how would you address this stance? I'm off balance because until t recently I assumed that he'd just been badly briefed but it seems the general stance is that he knew what he was doing?

Blair isnt the leader now.

84 Labour MPs voted against, 2 Conservatives did. So tell him that Labour opposed it more than the Tories.

[Red Beret]

People who voted Conservative in 2019 voted for a different future!

Well Liz, they certainly got one didn't they!

People say that the electorate votes for the party, not its leader. But it's inevitable that a new leader will take their party in a new direction, and the country along with it.

She has no mandate from the people to be making these decisions, but of course she won't go to the country.

[Wullie160975]

It's a while off yet, but am expecting to have to holiday with the brother in law. From memory he won't vote labour because Blair illegally killed millions of Iraqis.  I'm not sure if I could get him to look at the lib Dems or the greens, but how would you address this stance? I'm off balance because until t recently I assumed that he'd just been badly briefed but it seems the general stance is that he knew what he was doing?

What about the hundreds of thousands UK citizens killed by the current government over COVID or the thousands who may die this winter due to poverty because of this government?

[Indomitable_Carp]

I understand it's 20 years ago. But that's the barrier I want to break down.  The fact the Tories backed it is probably more helpful.
Same argument that sadly can be held against labour over brexit.

Does your mate vote Tory? Because I´m sure I could list off a few bloody wars that started under their watch.

As others have said, Labour actually showed more opposition to that war then the Conservatives. Plus obviously, Blair hasn´t been leader for 15 years now.

[TepidT2O]

BREAKING:

Liz Truss has appointed Dominic Johnson, Tory donor & co-founder of Somerset Capital with Rees-Mogg, as trade minister

Announcement quietly dropped on gov.uk

He's being handed a peerage to boot

Confirms @fletcherr scoop

thetimes.co.uk/article/city-v…

Another ERG nasty Tory.

[oldfordie]

It's a while off yet, but am expecting to have to holiday with the brother in law. From memory he won't vote labour because Blair illegally killed millions of Iraqis.  I'm not sure if I could get him to look at the lib Dems or the greens, but how would you address this stance? I'm off balance because until t recently I assumed that he'd just been badly briefed but it seems the general stance is that he knew what he was doing?

Is it worth it Paul. I would just leave it and agree not to talk about politcs so no tension arises to ruin everything.
If it does crop up then is he using it as a stick to attack Blairs Labour.
Is he a Tory voter now? I can respect the views of people who tear into Blair over Iraq but you find many of them then go on to insult the last Labour government with all the usual shit. Tory lite etc. they lose credibility.

[Father Ted]

Spend the entire holiday blasting 'Things Can Only Get Better' at maximum volume.

[Kenny's Jacket]

I understand it's 20 years ago. But that's the barrier I want to break down.  The fact the Tories backed it is probably more helpful.
Same argument that sadly can be held against labour over brexit.

Forgive me for being direct. What are his opinions on immigration? Does he actually give a fuck about Iraqi's, or is it just a stick to beat Blair.
Does he think people who may be living under horrific conditions and persecution in Iraq should be trafficked to Rwanda when the reach Dover?

[Clint Eastwood]

The only question she had a straight answer to this morning was whether she was committed to the 45p tax cut. Instant ‘yes’.

She really is a fucking moron.

[Kenny's Jacket]

The only question she had a straight answer to this morning was whether she was committed to the 45p tax cut. Instant ‘yes’.

She really is a fucking moron.

When the PM makes Gove seem sound, the country is in trouble

[TepidT2O]

The treasury secretary has said that they’re going to remove employment law for all companies under 500 people.

All of them.

No maternity pay, no right to challenge unfair dismissal, no pension rights… nothing….