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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15160 on: January 19, 2023, 08:59:15 pm »
Bobby isn’t going anywhere..

Says “I’m happy here and I intend to stay here and help Liverpool FC.”

Fantastic news…. He’s fallen down the pecking order, but he sets a standard in training that is unsurpassed.

Delighted to hear this

Same,he still has all the skill,he has never relied on pace & his vision will be the last thing to go.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15161 on: January 19, 2023, 09:10:33 pm »
Think it’s a big mistake really.

Don’t you know that from next season no look goals will be worth double.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15162 on: January 19, 2023, 09:15:31 pm »
Bobby isn’t going anywhere..

Says “I’m happy here and I intend to stay here and help Liverpool FC.”

Fantastic news…. He’s fallen down the pecking order, but he sets a standard in training that is unsurpassed.

Delighted to hear this

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15163 on: January 19, 2023, 09:23:50 pm »
Is he fit?
I fucking miss him.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15164 on: January 19, 2023, 10:10:09 pm »
Is he fit?
I fucking miss him.

All our small injury end up being a month minimum. I’m sure at the time we were told he’d miss a game or 2, he’s missed 7 games already now

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15165 on: January 19, 2023, 10:29:12 pm »
Doesn't he have a poor injury record the last 3 seasons (including this one)?

Love him to death - but if we are paying him more than his last contract - we are crazy.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15166 on: January 19, 2023, 10:39:32 pm »
As we're seeing with Henderson this isn't done in a vacuum and it's not just about Bobby but the whole squad. If we want him to stay another year or two then sure, it's great. Why the fuck did we buy Gakpo then? We needed to jump on him now so in 2025 he's finally ready?

To anybody that says "Well Nunez can play on the left as well".

Oh really? Where are Jota or Diaz lining up then? Or are you suggesting we're now paying £400k+ a week to Salah to bench him?

Holy moly, this is bonkers.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15167 on: January 19, 2023, 10:42:38 pm »
Doesn't he have a poor injury record the last 3 seasons (including this one)?

Love him to death - but if we are paying him more than his last contract - we are crazy.

More appearances than Jota to be fair.
Didn't hear anything about how long we plan to extend his stay or wages. I'd be amazed if we gave him a pay rise.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15168 on: January 19, 2023, 10:44:16 pm »
More appearances than Jota to be fair.
Didn't hear anything about how long we plan to extend his stay or wages. I'd be amazed if we gave him a pay rise.

Jota loves a big injury (though I blame Jurgen - yes I said it - for playing in that dead rubber in his first year).

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15169 on: January 19, 2023, 10:46:12 pm »
Also anybody that says FSG is skint or we've outgrown them or whatever need to just shove it. We have plenty of money. We can re-sign 2nd or 3rd choice strikers in their 30's without a sweat, there are no money issues here.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15170 on: January 19, 2023, 10:52:39 pm »
Also anybody that says FSG is skint or we've outgrown them or whatever need to just shove it. We have plenty of money. We can re-sign 2nd or 3rd choice strikers in their 30's without a sweat, there are no money issues here.

It would help if you say if you are ironic or not.. I assume you are not.. Firmino is 30+ plus; comfortable with family ( i think) and has the  choice of mid-table/below or some non-footballing countries to get something close to what he is on today. peanuts for the club..

What we really want and need is firmino jr - transfer fee + five year contract,

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15171 on: January 19, 2023, 11:00:54 pm »
Also anybody that says FSG is skint or we've outgrown them or whatever need to just shove it. We have plenty of money. We can re-sign 2nd or 3rd choice strikers in their 30's without a sweat, there are no money issues here.


You're the one that should shove it,you're an FSG fanboy above all else,it's why you say things like Klopp said we have too many strikers,without mentioning that he said that back in 2016.


Cluelessly ironic maybe ?
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15172 on: January 19, 2023, 11:04:19 pm »
It would help if you say if you are ironic or not.. I assume you are not.. Firmino is 30+ plus; comfortable with family ( i think) and has the  choice of mid-table/below or some non-footballing countries to get something close to what he is on today. peanuts for the club..

What we really want and need is firmino jr - transfer fee + five year contract,

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Uhh, you don't even know what the wages are nor the agents fee or renewal bonus. Seriously it's not peanuts and it's completely disingenuous to suggest so.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15173 on: January 19, 2023, 11:07:23 pm »
Bobby staying ..... it's the Englush dentists that we need to thank!

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15174 on: January 19, 2023, 11:17:06 pm »
Uhh, you don't even know what the wages are nor the agents fee or renewal bonus. Seriously it's not peanuts and it's completely disingenuous to suggest so.


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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15175 on: January 19, 2023, 11:18:58 pm »
Uhh, you don't even know what the wages are nor the agents fee or renewal bonus. Seriously it's not peanuts and it's completely disingenuous to suggest so.

I know that RB is 31 years old - seems to be a wonderful human being - lovely smile and contributed to some of the clubs best moments. sadly now - a bit injuries and lost a bit of his pace (although pace not primary asset). He is set for life

The club does not owe him anything; lowball him on a one year contract and tell his agent to fuck off

I thought you were american ?
It’s not even about individuality, it’s about the team. Our game was based on his controlling of the tempo. Squeeze the life out of the opposition and then strike. That is our game. Like a pack of pythons.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15176 on: January 19, 2023, 11:35:27 pm »
I know that RB is 31 years old - seems to be a wonderful human being - lovely smile and contributed to some of the clubs best moments. sadly now - a bit injuries and lost a bit of his pace (although pace not primary asset). He is set for life

The club does not owe him anything; lowball him on a one year contract and tell his agent to fuck off

I thought you were american ?

You're a strange one.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15177 on: January 19, 2023, 11:43:19 pm »
You're a strange one.

thats what jimmy connors said when the cool nordic started to play him
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15178 on: January 20, 2023, 12:17:37 am »
In the League we have 21 points with Bobby on the pitch in 13 matches. 7 goals, 3 assists.

We have 28 points total after 18 matches.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15179 on: January 20, 2023, 07:24:29 am »
I think Firmino will become our Origi. Also, Gakpo can learn from him if he is to play centrally.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15180 on: January 20, 2023, 07:56:53 am »
In the League we have 21 points with Bobby on the pitch in 13 matches. 7 goals, 3 assists.

We have 28 points total after 18 matches.

 that is 1,62 with him playing and 1,56 in total - so what is the actual point ? If he plays every game we would end up at 61 points ?
It’s not even about individuality, it’s about the team. Our game was based on his controlling of the tempo. Squeeze the life out of the opposition and then strike. That is our game. Like a pack of pythons.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15181 on: January 20, 2023, 08:33:05 am »
In the League we have 21 points with Bobby on the pitch in 13 matches. 7 goals, 3 assists.

We have 28 points total after 18 matches.

It’s not even about individuality, it’s about the team. Our game was based on his controlling of the tempo. Squeeze the life out of the opposition and then strike. That is our game. Like a pack of pythons.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15182 on: January 20, 2023, 08:37:38 am »
:lmao

You’re watching us this season right? You’re aware that we’re no longer running, sprinting or pressing like we used to? You’re aware we have a bloated squad with plenty of players in or heading into their 30s locked into big wages?

Claiming a new contract for Firmino is a big mistake is not a laughable claim. It’s really quite sensible. It’d be sensible even without what we’re seeing on the pitch. And Foden what we are seeing it should be understandable and reasonable to every Liverpool fan even if they ultimately disagree with it.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15183 on: January 20, 2023, 08:58:18 am »
You’re watching us this season right? You’re aware that we’re no longer running, sprinting or pressing like we used to? You’re aware we have a bloated squad with plenty of players in or heading into their 30s locked into big wages?

Claiming a new contract for Firmino is a big mistake is not a laughable claim. It’s really quite sensible. It’d be sensible even without what we’re seeing on the pitch. And Foden what we are seeing it should be understandable and reasonable to every Liverpool fan even if they ultimately disagree with it.

What has Foden got to do with it?

Wait, is this a Foden transfer shout.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15184 on: January 20, 2023, 09:07:36 am »
If he's happy to stay without a wage increase (or even a drop in wages), and knowing he will be fifth in the pecking order then it's fairly harmless. I love Bobby, and I'd like him to leave on a high with a title or European Cup win instead of a muted, low-key exit like most of our legends seem to get these days.

Prevents Darwin getting the number 9 for another year though.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15185 on: January 20, 2023, 09:33:04 am »
We've spent a huge chunk of money on Nunez, we already have Jota (who was starting ahead of Bobby centrally when everyone was fit), and Gakpo has just joined and played a couple of games in that position already.  I just don't see the logic in extending a contract of someone who is getting on in age, doesn't press with anywhere near the intensity he used to, is a streaky goalscorer and has had a lot of injury issues in the past few years.

There's always talk about setting standards in training, being professional, etc, but we've got a whole bunch of players who fit that description in Milner, Henderson, Firmino, Virgil, Salah, Thiago, etc... and it hasn't done anything to prevent the messy performances of this season.  These standard bearers have made no difference at all to our results.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15186 on: January 20, 2023, 11:37:34 am »
My favourite player, sign him up!!


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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15187 on: January 20, 2023, 12:23:52 pm »
Love him to bits so I was never going to be disappointed by news he's staying, but I have to agree it's not the smartest move from us unless he's been given no more than 2 years on slightly reduced coin. Just hope this doesn't drain funds or an overseas squad place needed for a mid... I'm fine with us not signing another forward for a window or three.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15188 on: January 20, 2023, 12:55:57 pm »
In the League we have 21 points with Bobby on the pitch in 13 matches. 7 goals, 3 assists.

We have 28 points total after 18 matches.

And Klopp wants him, as much as Bobby himself wants to stick around.

The same posters who view Milly’s contract extension, or Hendo’s, as mistakes, seem to forget the plethora of ageing players - many, like Bobby, reliant on skill, craft, experience and desire, but not pace - still performing at the highest level.

Is Bobby past his peak? Undoubtedly, but can he still contribute meaningfully? Milly v Wolves was a perfect example of a ‘refreshed’ player past his best but still of value.

I recognise the importance of building a squad that doesn’t rely over-heavily on ageing (and for that matter, young and inexperienced) players. There’s a fine balance getting it right, and the scary way Hendo in particular, but also Fab, have lost their ‘engines’ has led to much debate. Will either return to anything like their best? Who knows. I think Hendo’s World Cup exploits, on top of a gruelling season, might partly explain his tank emptying so suddenly.

I understand those who’ve seen enough this season to demand big change now. But I think that notwithstanding Klopp’s ‘over-loyalty’ being rightly questioned, we might see, from now until May, player’s recently written off making big contributions once rested and refreshed, including those returning from injury. I might be entirely wrong, but time will tell.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15189 on: January 20, 2023, 08:38:34 pm »
I think we've been stung by the lopsided squad planning we've had more recently.

Bobby, Milner, Hendo... these are the players you tend to have as an option rather than as the starting player for the majority of games. Things like injuries, new players settling in and a ban (Nunez) are the reason sometimes these players are in the side more than you would expect. A new contract doesn't have to be a bad thing, it seems that way with us sometimes because we've not planned adequately and if you take CM for example, having too many injury prone players had us overplaying Milner earlier this season. If he's an option in the squad but not in the side every week then you don't have such an issue with it, when he's had to play a good amount of minutes in a row he struggled... you have him play less frequently (City, Wolves) and he's excellent

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15190 on: January 20, 2023, 08:53:01 pm »
As we're seeing with Henderson this isn't done in a vacuum and it's not just about Bobby but the whole squad. If we want him to stay another year or two then sure, it's great. Why the fuck did we buy Gakpo then? We needed to jump on him now so in 2025 he's finally ready?

To anybody that says "Well Nunez can play on the left as well".

Oh really? Where are Jota or Diaz lining up then? Or are you suggesting we're now paying £400k+ a week to Salah to bench him?

Holy moly, this is bonkers.

FSG appointed Ward as Sporting Director, they sign off on the deals so FSG will own this deal if Firmino is given a new contract.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15191 on: January 20, 2023, 08:57:06 pm »
We've spent a huge chunk of money on Nunez, we already have Jota (who was starting ahead of Bobby centrally when everyone was fit), and Gakpo has just joined and played a couple of games in that position already.  I just don't see the logic in extending a contract of someone who is getting on in age, doesn't press with anywhere near the intensity he used to, is a streaky goalscorer and has had a lot of injury issues in the past few years.

There's always talk about setting standards in training, being professional, etc, but we've got a whole bunch of players who fit that description in Milner, Henderson, Firmino, Virgil, Salah, Thiago, etc... and it hasn't done anything to prevent the messy performances of this season.  These standard bearers have made no difference at all to our results.

The only way it makes sense for me is if we give Bobby a two year deal with an option for a third. We can then use that breathing space to see how Gakpo and Nunez bed in and whether Jota overcomes his injury problems.

If Nunez and Gakpo bed in and Jota overcomes his injury problems then we could move Bobby on in 12 months time and cover his wages for this season. If not we move some of Gakpo, Nunez and Jota on and keep Bobby who is a decent option and someone who knows our system. 
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15192 on: January 20, 2023, 09:43:03 pm »
Bobby isn’t going anywhere..

Says “I’m happy here and I intend to stay here and help Liverpool FC.”

Fantastic news…. He’s fallen down the pecking order, but he sets a standard in training that is unsurpassed.

Delighted to hear this

This is a big factor if we do end up giving him a new deal. Klopp needs people around the squad - the way Milner has been - who might not play all the time, but who set a standard in training and with their attitude.

Bobby is great to have around for squad chemistry and is still a useful squad player. There's absolutely no way he'll be on huge wages either - the club have all the power here, so no way he's not taking a substantial pay cut if he's staying.

Don't know why some people have such a big issue with it.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15193 on: January 20, 2023, 09:44:36 pm »
FSG appointed Ward as Sporting Director, they sign off on the deals so FSG will own this deal if Firmino is given a new contract.



Great to know FSG is in charge of playing personnel and overrule Jurgen when it comes to existing players and transfers.

I wonder who John Henry thinks we should go buy next and for how much. Or is it, Linda?
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15194 on: January 20, 2023, 10:21:18 pm »
I'm sure that sounded smart in your head.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15195 on: January 20, 2023, 10:38:14 pm »
Yeah, I love it when FSG sign off on deals. I need to know those in Boston are sitting there playing Championship manager with the players we have. Sign this one. Don't resign that one. Let's move these players on. Here's the ones we will buy. No, you can't have him, his numbers aren't great for the cost.

And of course, Jurgen sits there thankful for whomever he is given because he's just there to coach the players.

I'm happy to know the only reason we're offering Bobby another contract is because FSG want to sign off on it. Has little to do with what Jurgen wants for the squad. I mean they wouldn't want to back the manager now, would they?
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15196 on: January 20, 2023, 10:54:17 pm »
I just caught the post-'embargo' Presser (for tomorrow's Chelsea game)... Jürgen is questioned about Bobby's contract, but doesn't give too much away... apart from re-iterating that he'd like him to stay.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15198 on: January 20, 2023, 11:59:55 pm »
I like the idea of a one year extension as long as year 2 is at our choosing.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #15199 on: January 21, 2023, 12:10:49 am »
I want him to stay if a deal can be found that works for both sides.

A genuine professional with a real team ethic . . . could be helpful if we have an eye on a Brazilian kid.



He has been unlucky with injuries but we are a better team with him playing.