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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14480 on: August 23, 2022, 09:47:04 am »
He's the forward version of Milner. Good to have in the squad, back up/rotation player but pretty much past it and shouldn't be starting big games. Would we better off with Minamino at this point?
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14481 on: August 23, 2022, 09:52:27 am »
At times he was playing more in CM yesterday defending than an actual CF - second striker...

with proper midfield, he would have no need to be so defensive yesterday...

I don't think he is done done... just needs to play as an actuall attacker
But it was the same story against Fulham with Henderson, Thaigo and Fabinho playing. We looked toothless upfront with Firmino dropping deeper and deeper but losing possession. Then Nunez came on, played as an out and out forward and we looked like scoring with every attack. 
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14482 on: August 23, 2022, 10:01:34 am »
I think he benefitted more from Mane, Salah than they did from him but the narrative has always been the opposite. Still feel he can contribute, would let him walk in the summer though

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14483 on: August 23, 2022, 10:08:44 am »
I don't think he helps himself dropping into defensive midfield position or the team for that matter, opposition defence has one less player to worry about

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14484 on: August 23, 2022, 10:17:34 am »
Just dont trust him to finish clear cut chances

its time for him to go
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14485 on: August 23, 2022, 10:28:26 am »
Was fuming when he played that absolutely idiotic looped pass in the first half when we had an opportunity to create a good chance. Everything about his game is now sadly in decline.

Obviously a club legend, but needs to be moved on next year.

 

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14486 on: August 23, 2022, 10:31:02 am »
Was fuming when he played that absolutely idiotic looped pass in the first half when we had an opportunity to create a good chance. Everything about his game is now sadly in decline.

Obviously a club legend, but needs to be moved on next year.

 

Yeah that was grim, Henderson lost his rag at him when he played that pass.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14487 on: August 23, 2022, 10:39:10 am »
Do not let a player's legs go on your pitch.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14488 on: August 23, 2022, 10:39:41 am »
Yesterday provided more evidence to suggest his legs have gone and that he is increasingly becoming a player that simply decorates games as opposed to running them. I'd be surprised if we renew his contract in the summer (but then again we renewed Milners..)

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14489 on: August 23, 2022, 10:40:42 am »
Was fuming when he played that absolutely idiotic looped pass in the first half when we had an opportunity to create a good chance. Everything about his game is now sadly in decline.

Obviously a club legend, but needs to be moved on next year.
We need to be more ruthless as fans too. He was clearly finished at this level SEASONS ago but many were judging him using the red tinted frames of nostalgia.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14490 on: August 23, 2022, 12:06:12 pm »
Do not let a player's legs go on your pitch.

Paisley was right then and itís just as true today. This is the only criticism I have of Klopp. Heís a little too sentimental and not ruthless enough with ageing players.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14491 on: August 27, 2022, 01:36:37 am »
We need to be more ruthless as fans too. He was clearly finished at this level SEASONS ago but many were judging him using the red tinted frames of nostalgia.

That damn idiot Klopp doesn't know what he's doing playing Bobby all these years does he.  :lmao :lmao :lmao
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14492 on: August 27, 2022, 02:01:35 am »
That damn idiot Klopp doesn't know what he's doing playing Bobby all these years does he.  :lmao :lmao :lmao

Ah, the 'appeal to authority' logical fallacy.

You could of course look at it the other way and ask if Bobby has still got it why has Klopp sanctioned 3 big money attackers in the last couple of years?
And why was Jota the first of those signings and why did we immediately see a better measurable output from Jota the minute he took Bobby's place in the team?

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14493 on: August 27, 2022, 06:42:10 am »
Paisley was right then and itís just as true today. This is the only criticism I have of Klopp. Heís a little too sentimental and not ruthless enough with ageing players.

A similar fault to Shankly who stuck with his first title winning team too long e.g St John

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14494 on: August 27, 2022, 07:38:09 am »
Itís not like Klopp is picking him as our starting striker ahead of all other options. He probably thought heíd be useful to get some minutes in a busy season but probably now behind Nunez and Jota in the pecking order. We could change things and maybe play Mo centrally or look to do something differently.

I think Bobby off the bench or starting certain games to help keep things fresh still has something to offer. Itís unfortunate circumstances (to say the least) thatís seen him having to start the last couple.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14495 on: August 27, 2022, 07:48:23 am »
Thatís true but heís on a lot of money and heís a senior first team player. If he canít effectively contribute when starting games anymoreÖ why is he still here?

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14496 on: August 27, 2022, 08:45:34 am »
We need to be more ruthless as fans too. He was clearly finished at this level SEASONS ago but many were judging him using the red tinted frames of nostalgia.

I agree. Anyone at Anfield today should boo him every time he gets the ball. Let him know we think he's done and shouldn't be in the side.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14497 on: August 27, 2022, 08:56:45 am »
When the coaching team are using inexplicable tactics, Bobby will suffer.
Whilst Bobby is playing why not use the front 3 like we used to. We might even win.


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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14498 on: August 27, 2022, 09:57:09 am »
Our tweak in system and positioning pretty much renders him blunt at the moment.

Mo and Diaz are starting much wider than previously. The full backs appear to be the runners from deep. Itís worked a treat when weíve had Darwin on the pitch as a focal 9, but the way Bobby plays the game means it gives centre backs an easy nights work at the moment. We have created multiple chances when Darwin has been on the pitch and I think there has been a clear tactical shift. But when Bobby is occupying that role, I think we perhaps should be reverting to type. The average position map the other night was horrible.

Prince of a player at his best and I think he could offer us something in midfield

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14499 on: August 27, 2022, 10:19:12 am »
Our tweak in system and positioning pretty much renders him blunt at the moment.

Mo and Diaz are starting much wider than previously. The full backs appear to be the runners from deep. Itís worked a treat when weíve had Darwin on the pitch as a focal 9, but the way Bobby plays the game means it gives centre backs an easy nights work at the moment. We have created multiple chances when Darwin has been on the pitch and I think there has been a clear tactical shift. But when Bobby is occupying that role, I think we perhaps should be reverting to type. The average position map the other night was horrible.

Prince of a player at his best and I think he could offer us something in midfield
Im not convinced it has.  We are asking the best forward in the league to play right wing.  It doesnt add up.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14500 on: August 27, 2022, 02:16:21 pm »
I thought he was crap against United but I read a piece about how he played and his role so its probable that he did the role he was told to do to a decent level. I know he vacated the middle, but Klopp said he wanted Diaz and Salah less wide.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14501 on: August 27, 2022, 03:10:56 pm »
Thatís true but heís on a lot of money and heís a senior first team player. If he canít effectively contribute when starting games anymoreÖ why is he still here?

Should we pay him his wages this week?

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14502 on: August 27, 2022, 03:31:47 pm »
Is that a hat-trick of assists today?
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14503 on: August 27, 2022, 03:32:17 pm »
99 goals for Bob.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14504 on: August 27, 2022, 03:32:42 pm »
Thatís true but heís on a lot of money and heís a senior first team player. If he canít effectively contribute when starting games anymoreÖ why is he still here?

A goal and three assists in just over half an hour.

Happy with his contribution today? Seems pretty effective to be fair.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14505 on: August 27, 2022, 03:32:45 pm »
Is that a hat-trick of assists today?

Yeah think so, though the second one was a complete flub on his part.  Goal too now, lovely.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14506 on: August 27, 2022, 03:33:17 pm »
3 Assists and 1 Goal today...so far.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14507 on: August 27, 2022, 03:34:06 pm »
Yeah think so, though the second one was a complete flub on his part.  Goal too now, lovely.

Let him off for that one ;D

And now a goal as well. What a guy!
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14508 on: August 27, 2022, 03:34:08 pm »
Thatís true but heís on a lot of money and heís a senior first team player. If he canít effectively contribute when starting games anymoreÖ why is he still here?

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14509 on: August 27, 2022, 03:34:50 pm »
Oh my

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14510 on: August 27, 2022, 03:35:10 pm »
He has turned up and what a performance he is putting in.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14511 on: August 27, 2022, 03:40:40 pm »
A goal and three assists in just over half an hour.

Happy with his contribution today? Seems pretty effective to be fair.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14512 on: August 27, 2022, 03:41:10 pm »
The rumour of his death is greatly exaggerated

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14513 on: August 27, 2022, 03:44:18 pm »
The rumour of his death is greatly exaggerated

To play devils advocate it is against Bournemouth. We need this kind of Bobby against the better teams.

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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14514 on: August 27, 2022, 03:48:41 pm »
Sir Bobby.  ;D
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14515 on: August 27, 2022, 03:49:54 pm »
To play devils advocate it is against Bournemouth. We need this kind of Bobby against the better teams.

But he's basically a squad player now, and this is the exact type of game he should be starting (assuming everyone is fit) and contributing to.  Great half from him.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14517 on: August 27, 2022, 03:51:16 pm »
Bobby isn't match fit.

The demise of Roberto Firmino is not upon us.

A little more match fit today..  ;)  :scarf
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14518 on: August 27, 2022, 03:51:41 pm »
To play devils advocate it is against Bournemouth. We need this kind of Bobby against the better teams.

He played well against Man City in the Community Shield as well. But if he performs at a high level against these types of teams then he's still a useful player for us.
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Re: Roberto Firmino
« Reply #14519 on: August 27, 2022, 03:54:43 pm »
To play devils advocate it is against Bournemouth. We need this kind of Bobby against the better teams.

Deserves a bit more respect from some supporters, regardless of the opposition. Especially when things like this have been posted about him very recently:

We need to be more ruthless as fans too. He was clearly finished at this level SEASONS ago but many were judging him using the red tinted frames of nostalgia.

He might not be the player he was at his peak. But to say he was finished at this level seasons ago and he's judged on nostalgia is absolute nonsense. He's still good enough to contribute meaningfully to this team.