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Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1280 on: September 6, 2012, 01:54:22 pm »
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For a club who place so much emphasis on their own history, Liverpool have somehow allowed themselves to be drawn into a situation in which they all too easily rubbish their own past.

It is something which has been happening since the removal and subsequent unnecessary public criticism of Kenny Dalglish as manager and it was writ large in John W. Henry’s letter from America with its conspicuous reference to “the errors of previous regimes”.

Depending on your preference, that particular dig was aimed at Dalglish and Damien Comolli, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, Rafael Benitez, Roy Hodgson or Christian Purslow. Whoever the target was doesn’t really matter, particularly as Henry himself was unwilling to name names, but the implicit message was that Fenway Sports Group (FSG), Liverpool’s owner, is clearing up a mess that is of someone else’s making.

There was at least an element of mea culpa about Henry’s open letter to the Liverpool fans: he did, after all, admit that the problems FSG inherited upon buying the club almost two years ago “have been compounded by our own mistakes”. Again, though, this was all in the past tense, and while the belated holding up of hands to accept a degree of responsibility is welcome, there was no indication of what FSG will do to ensure such mistakes are not repeated in the future.

For a club that have spent much of the past five years lurching from one crisis to another the apparent lack of direction and leadership is an increasing concern. It is no coincidence that Liverpool’s cack-handed and ultimately self-harming attempt to defend Luis Suarez against allegations of racial abuse has been followed up by a shambolic conclusion to the transfer window.

On the surface, the two instances may seem totally unconnected and it is unquestionably true that the Suarez case was on a different plane altogether when it comes to importance and gravity, but the link that binds them is a chronic failure of clear leadership from within the club who have  been without a chief executive since Rick Parry quit the role three and a half years ago.

In itself, the lack of a chief executive is remarkable for a club of Liverpool’s size and stature. Manchester United have David Gill, Arsenal have Ivan Gazidis, Chelsea have Ron Gourlay, Everton have Robert Elstone and Manchester City recently appointed Ferran Soriano to what has long been regarded in football as a key role, one which can define a club’s ability to compete on the pitch and their effectiveness off it.

Liverpool, whose decline now appears increasingly entrenched and who are yet to come up with a solution to their long-running stadium issues, have no-one. All they have is the over-burdened Ayre and a hotline to Boston which did not appear to be in good working order either on transfer deadline day or when the crisis surrounding Suarez was at its peak.

This failing was not caused by “previous regimes”. FSG bought Liverpool on October 15, 2010 and just five weeks shy of their second anniversary as owners they are still to appoint a chief executive despite having a chairman, Tom Werner, who is based in the US rather than on Merseyside. The lack of local leadership is most evident on match days when Ayre is often the only senior figure from the club’s hierarchy present in the directors box.

Towards the end of last season, Dave Whelan alluded to the problem when he claimed that Liverpool “had no heart beating” after being shocked by the lack of directors present at Anfield during Wigan Athletic’s shock win over Dalglish’s side.

Apart from the ever-present Ayre and their then director of communications Ian Cotton, the majority of Liverpool’s board of directors – namely Henry, Werner, David Ginsberg, Michael Gordon and Jeff Vinik – were nowhere near Anfield on the day of the game, they were in the US.

Absentee owners are not necessarily a problem of course. It’s not as if Manchester City needed Sheikh Mansour to be ever present at the Etihad Stadium last season for them to win their first league title since 1968. But a presence is an absolute necessity because, as Liverpool have found out to their cost, without one it is far too easy for dysfunction to set in and for problems that could be resolved, easily or otherwise, to lurch out of control.

That, it is safe to presume, was one of the reasons why Liverpool ended the transfer window with its left hand not knowing – or worse, not trusting – what its right hand was doing. There was no joined up thinking, just a conflict created by divergent and incompatible philosophies which spiralled because there was no-one ready, willing or able to coax management and ownership to reconcile their strategic differences for the good of the club.
Just as they did after the Suarez saga, Liverpool are now paying a heavy price for the absence of such an individual.

It was almost one hundred years ago that Theodore Roosevelt, the 26th President of the USA no less, stated that “the best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint to keep from meddling with them while they do it.”

Having failed to do the former by appointing a top-class chief executive, Henry also found himself unable to do the latter as his restrictions prevented Brendan Rodgers from completing a deal to sign Dempsey on the grounds that he has no interest in “quick-fix” signings who “only contribute for a couple of years”.

As Henry, Rodgers and Liverpool might discover to their cost in the weeks and months to come, though, a quick fix is, by its nature, better than no fix. Maybe that is one of the reasons why Liverpool have become so obsessed with castigating those responsible for the failings of their immediate past – they are increasingly concerned about what the future has in store.

But whatever their worries on the pitch, the reality is that they need a top-class chief executive as much as they are crying out for a top-class goalscorer. To lack one for any length of time might be an acceptable risk but to have neither is at best a huge gamble, at worst outright negligence. 

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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1281 on: September 6, 2012, 02:04:03 pm »
Why oh why does there have to be international breaks so soon after season has started?  All it does, is gives time for everybody to pour over every little detail of what has and hasn't happened.

I pray for the next game, just so there is something different to talk about.  Sick of all the assumptions and rhetoric and half-truths stated as fact.  Let the football do the talking.

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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1282 on: September 6, 2012, 02:04:39 pm »
That Barrett piece nails it. How the fuck weve gone 3 and a half yrs without a CEO is just mental.
And it also suggests that Henry decided that Dempsey was not required, due to the 'Quick Fix' bollocks.
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Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1283 on: September 6, 2012, 02:06:19 pm »
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In itself, the lack of a chief executive is remarkable for a club of Liverpool’s size and stature. Manchester United have David Gill, Arsenal have Ivan Gazidis, Chelsea have Ron Gourlay, Everton have Robert Elstone and Manchester City recently appointed Ferran Soriano to what has long been regarded in football as a key role, one which can define a club’s ability to compete on the pitch and their effectiveness off it.

I don't get this argument.

We have an MD in Ayre, who does the exact same role as a CEO. Do all those clubs he mentions have both a CEO and managing director?

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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1284 on: September 6, 2012, 02:06:57 pm »
Just let's be clear here - what Al is suggesting is a long long way from cooking the books.  So don't suggest otherwise. 

As usual I think that Occams Razor should be applied.  Carroll was not sold this season because there was no deal that satisifed all three parties, if a suitable deal had been found then he would have gone.  Accounts or no accounts.

Indeed, we'll be taking a £7m amortisation hit for him this season anyway even though he's not playing at the club, if we could have sold him now for £17m I'm sure we would, but that was impossible due to a combination of lack of serious interest from anyone apart from West Ham and Andy's unwillingness to go to West Ham on a permanent move.

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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1285 on: September 6, 2012, 02:08:49 pm »
Totally agree with Tony Barrett on the need for a top class CEO.

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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1286 on: September 6, 2012, 02:10:14 pm »
That Barrett piece nails it. How the fuck weve gone 3 and a half yrs without a CEO is just mental.
And it also suggests that Henry decided that Dempsey was not required, due to the 'Quick Fix' bollocks.
I don't usually read Barrett's articles but I do agree with you here. However, does he get inside information from Ayre? He seems to protect him somewhat, but then again if he supplies him gen then perhaps this explanation of the Dempsey debacle is believable?
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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1287 on: September 6, 2012, 02:13:51 pm »
I don't usually read Barrett's articles but I do agree with you here. However, does he get inside information from Ayre? He seems to protect him somewhat, but then again if he supplies him gen then perhaps this explanation of the Dempsey debacle is believable?

No idea, but looks like he's been briefed doesnt it ?
Highly likely its Ayre seeing as he's the only senior figure at the club, which again in itself is preposterous.
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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1288 on: September 6, 2012, 02:15:44 pm »
No idea, but looks like he's been briefed doesnt it ?
Highly likely its Ayre seeing as he's the only senior figure at the club, which again in itself is preposterous.

I believe Bascombe was making glowing comments about Ayre as well, and he certainly has previous when it comes to painting his sources in as positive a light as possible.

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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1289 on: September 6, 2012, 02:17:17 pm »
That Barrett article is a painful read. What in the fcuk is going on? We are capable of turning things around but these owners have got to be willing to do so and by that i mean backing Rodgers. I just think they have alot to prove to the many fans that are starting to ask questions about the regime. Lets see what they do in January eh, wont be holding my breath though.
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Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1290 on: September 6, 2012, 02:17:30 pm »
Considering we've got brian barwick at the club overseeing the tv station im suprised he isnt getting a more hands on role....
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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1291 on: September 6, 2012, 02:17:35 pm »
Yeah, really?

Can you list all the other clubs in the Premiership who dont have an out and out goalscorer (a Number 9)?

Which are the other teams whose only natural goalscorer in the squad is an 18 year old who has never actually played a minute of league football?

Just wondering, like.

Liverpool - Suarez / Borini
Chelsea - Torres / Sturridge
Arsenal - Giroud / Podolski
Spurs - Adebayor / Defoe
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Are we that dissimilar?

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Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1292 on: September 6, 2012, 02:18:42 pm »
Considering we've got brian barwick at the club overseeing the tv station im suprised he isnt getting a more hands on role....

Is he?

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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1293 on: September 6, 2012, 02:19:05 pm »
I believe Bascombe was making glowing comments about Ayre as well, and he certainly has previous when it comes to painting his sources in as positive a light as possible.

Aye, and its got to a point now where I personally dont believe anything that comes from the club or its at least met with serious reservation to its validity, which is very very sad.
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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1294 on: September 6, 2012, 02:19:27 pm »
Is he?

He defo was, not sure he still is though.
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Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1295 on: September 6, 2012, 02:19:45 pm »
Sometimes quick fixes can lead to long term success.
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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1296 on: September 6, 2012, 02:20:31 pm »
Well he made it sound like we were pushing the Carroll deal to make the next set of accounts to be released look healthier than they actually were.

Making business decisions so that your accounts look healthy is done by pretty much every publicly listed company it does not equate to cooking the books.
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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1297 on: September 6, 2012, 02:21:33 pm »
Well if it's Ayre, he's briefing himself out of a job with all the talk of lack of leadership, isn't that his job? But he's 'over-burdened', poor soul. Maybe he should step down then and let someone else do it for a while. Wasn't he relieved of some responsibilities just recently so as to free him up to run the club? Pretty sure there was talk of it and we'd also got a body in from America to head up the commercial dept for him too. That's the one consistent thing that bugs me about the owners (stadium aside) that they keep leaving Ayre in charge and he's imo out of his depth.
   

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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1298 on: September 6, 2012, 02:23:20 pm »
My biggest concern at the moment isn't just what happened late in the transfer window, as colossal a fuck-up as that was.

It's also the fact that this week we seem to be getting some pretty open press briefing against the owners, presumably coming from a senior source or senior sources within the club.

Hardly indicative of a happy ship at the moment, and not likely to end well for some of the parties involved if it continues.

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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1299 on: September 6, 2012, 02:23:23 pm »
No idea, but looks like he's been briefed doesnt it ?
Highly likely its Ayre seeing as he's the only senior figure at the club, which again in itself is preposterous.
They , the club, do think we, the fans, are stupid dont they ?

You dont have to be on the board to be senior though. 

I always assumed someone like Barrett would have sources in various parts of the club.
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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1300 on: September 6, 2012, 02:23:43 pm »
I don't usually read Barrett's articles but I do agree with you here. However, does he get inside information from Ayre? He seems to protect him somewhat, but then again if he supplies him gen then perhaps this explanation of the Dempsey debacle is believable?
No idea, but looks like he's been briefed doesnt it ?
Highly likely its Ayre seeing as he's the only senior figure at the club, which again in itself is preposterous.
They , the club, do think we, the fans, are stupid dont they ?

Ayre seems unlikely to be the source after that article, unless he sees himself as "overburdened", in a rather frank admission of not being upto the task and wanting to be (at least in part) replaced by a CEO. Seems more likely the source is elsewhere - and may have it's own reasons for sidelining Ayre (edit: and I wouldn't expect that to be Rodgers).
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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1301 on: September 6, 2012, 02:27:14 pm »
My biggest concern at the moment isn't just what happened late in the transfer window, as colossal a fuck-up as that was.

It's also the fact that this week we seem to be getting some pretty open press briefing against the owners, presumably coming from a senior source or senior sources within the club.

Hardly indicative of a happy ship at the moment, and not likely to end well for some of the parties involved if it continues.

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Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1302 on: September 6, 2012, 02:28:46 pm »
I don't get this argument.

We have an MD in Ayre, who does the exact same role as a CEO. Do all those clubs he mentions have both a CEO and managing director?

The role of MD/CEO should have been an exhaustive search which interviewed prospective candidates to find the best possible person for the job. It should not have been a cheap fix in which we shunted someone internally into such a role unless having been part of that exhaustive search process he had proven himself the best candidate for the job. Mistakes of Comolli are still being repeated.
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Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1303 on: September 6, 2012, 02:29:38 pm »
So lets clear a few things up here.

Man Utds management team...

Chairman - Glazer Borthers
CEO - David Gill

Chelsea
Chairman - Bruce Buck
CEO - Ron Gourlay

Arsenal
Chairman - Peter Hill-wood
CEO - Ivan Gazidis

Spurs
Exec Chairman - Daniel Levy
No CEO or MD

Man City
Chairman - Khaldoon Al Mubarak
CEO (Temp) - John MacBeath

Liverpool
Chairman - Tom Werner
MD - Ian Ayre


So how exactly are we any different to anyone else? The don't have an MD, we don't have a CEO. Why? Because they are the same position.

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Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1304 on: September 6, 2012, 02:30:39 pm »
The role of MD should have been an exhaustive search which interviewed prospective candidates to find the best possible person for the job. It should not have been a cheap fix in which we shunted someone internally into such a role unless having been part of that exhaustive search process he had proven himself the best candidate for the job. Mistakes of Comolli are still being repeated.

They looked for 6-12 months didn't they before promoting from within?

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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1305 on: September 6, 2012, 02:31:19 pm »
So lets clear a few things up here.

Man Utds management team...

Chairman - Glazer Borthers
CEO - David Gill

Chelsea
Chairman - Bruce Buck
CEO - Ron Gourlay

Arsenal
Chairman - Peter Hill-wood
CEO - Ivan Gazidis

Spurs
Exec Chairman - Daniel Levy
No CEO or MD

Man City
Chairman - Khaldoon Al Mubarak
CEO (Temp) - John MacBeath

Liverpool
Chairman - Tom Werner
MD - Ian Ayre


So how exactly are we any different to anyone else? The don't have an MD, we don't have a CEO. Why? Because they are the same position.

We're different because it clearly doesnt work.
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Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1306 on: September 6, 2012, 02:32:32 pm »
We need a CEO and I think that's clear for all to see, Barrett is right.
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« Reply #1307 on: September 6, 2012, 02:32:58 pm »
We're different because it clearly doesnt work.

'It' is the same as every other club. If they all renamed the CEO as MD tomorrow, or us renaming MD as CEO, nothing would change.

If those people are the right choices is another matter, both for us and for the other clubs. I'm fairly certain all those club's fans would have reasons why their CEO shouldnt be there.

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« Reply #1308 on: September 6, 2012, 02:37:50 pm »
'It' is the same as every other club. If they all renamed the CEO as MD tomorrow, or us renaming MD as CEO, nothing would change.

If those people are the right choices is another matter, both for us and for the other clubs. I'm fairly certain all those club's fans would have reasons why their CEO shouldnt be there.

Chelsea and city doesn't have to worry about cash..

spurs/arsenal/united have had stability and experienced personnell for a number of years..

liverpool has been in turmoil for a couple of years now; promoted the commercial director and the people in charge are across the atlantic and don't have a clue about football. The clubs needs stability, added competence and active day-to-day management..
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Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1309 on: September 6, 2012, 02:38:34 pm »
They looked for 6-12 months didn't they before promoting from within?

Not that I remember. We apparently talked to various people about a role of sorts but because that structure never came to pass it's hard to judge how things would have worked exactly. The names mentioned though never seemed suitable CEO material. A few names were thought to be shadowing the owners in an advisory capacity who would have suited the part but they were never floated to actually take such a role within the club. If our owners did an exhaustive search for the role and felt Ayre was the best they could get I would be quite concerned.

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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1310 on: September 6, 2012, 02:38:35 pm »
Sometimes quick fixes can lead to long term success.

And more often, to neglecting long term fixes, being forced to repeat short termism again and again.
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Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1311 on: September 6, 2012, 02:39:15 pm »
If you believe what the Anfield Wrap guys are saying in the latest podcast then Ayre is out of his depth in the MD role, has made enemies in and outside the club with his arrogance and talks way too much to people about things he shouldn't. Sounds a bit Purslow-esque if true. He's done a great job on the commercial side of things but maybe he should've just stuck with that and FSG employed a more authoritative and charismatic figure to run the club

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« Reply #1312 on: September 6, 2012, 02:41:55 pm »
Not that I remember. We apparently talked to various people about a role of sorts but because that structure never came to pass it's hard to judge how things would have worked exactly. The names mentioned though never seemed suitable CEO material. A few names were thought to be shadowing the owners in an advisory capacity who would have suited the part but they were never floated to actually take such a role within the club. If our owners did an exhaustive search for the role and felt Ayre was the best they could get I would be quite concerned.

Purslow stepped down on 20th October, Ayre wasn't named until 22nd March.

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Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1313 on: September 6, 2012, 02:46:24 pm »
We have a "CEO", or whatever you want to call it, in Ayre. It's just that he is not up to the job.

The owners made three major appointments shortly after taking over two years ago. Two are gone. All three have been costly.

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« Reply #1314 on: September 6, 2012, 02:48:37 pm »
I don't get this argument.

We have an MD in Ayre, who does the exact same role as a CEO. Do all those clubs he mentions have both a CEO and managing director?

The problem for us here as a club is that at the start of the summer, immediately after sacking Dalglish, the club spoke about a new structure. Vaguely enough that we could have threads discussing exactly what a Sporting Director and a Technical Director would do; but, crucially, it seemed relatively clear (from Ayre himself in interviews) that the Sporting Director's role would have overlapped with what Ayre is doing now. It would have given a clear indication of a 'football person' having involvement in the player evaluation process, the 'checks and balances' on any manager's inevitable demands for whatever money they need to buy whichever players they want, to negotiate transfers and contracts.

Having sketched out that structure, FSG backed down from it when Rodgers demanded control. So, in theory, we have an old-fashioned MD - Manager relationship (with, of course, analysts etc contributing to evaluation discussions, but not from a position of responsibility). That's fine, in theory, but for two basic observations:

- That structure (or Ayre in that role) wasn't deemed the right approach before we acquiesced to Rodgers' demands.
- "Operational matters" have been blamed for the failure on the last couple of days of the transfer window.

There is something wrong with our structure.

[Note, I'm not an anti-Ayre because he's the last surviving senior manager from the G&H regime, or any alleged involvement in the removal of Rafa; and I'm very sceptical of leaks against Ayre which may be motivated by those factors. But something doesn't seem right here.]
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« Reply #1315 on: September 6, 2012, 02:50:34 pm »
Purslow stepped down on 20th October, Ayre wasn't named until 22nd March.

This was during a period in which our owners were completely new to the game. They've since made a litinany of mistakes but you think in that period they had the foresight in which they interviewed a number of the best candidates worldwide but eventually settled on Ayre? Maybe that's what happened but quite frankly I've read more believable stories in a J. K. Rowling book.

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« Reply #1316 on: September 6, 2012, 02:51:15 pm »
It would have given a clear indication of a 'football person' having involvement in the player evaluation process, the 'checks and balances' on any manager's inevitable demands for whatever money they need to buy whichever players they want, to negotiate transfers and contracts.

I think they have this with the 'team' Rodgers brought with him. I'd be very surprised if they didn't sit (along with the CFO and countless others) and formulate a set valuation of the player.

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Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1317 on: September 6, 2012, 02:53:22 pm »
This was during a period in which our owners were completely new to the game. They've since made a litinany of mistakes but you think in that period they had the foresight in which they interviewed a number of the best candidates worldwide but eventually settled on Ayre? Maybe that's what happened but quite frankly I've read more believable stories in a J. K. Rowling book.

Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting they did some big major search as I just don't know. No one does. However they may of felt employing from within until they got their teeth into things was the best option - and in many ways it could of been as no knowing what a CEO with little 'inside' knowledge of the club, its fans and its history could of come in and done.

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« Reply #1318 on: September 6, 2012, 02:55:09 pm »
Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting they did some big major search as I just don't know. No one does. However they may of felt employing from within until they got their teeth into things was the best option - and in many ways it could of been as no knowing what a CEO with little 'inside' knowledge of the club, its fans and its history could of come in and done.

Right but that was quite some time ago. Do you think they should still hold this belief?

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Re: Re: John Henry's open letter to fans
« Reply #1319 on: September 6, 2012, 02:56:38 pm »
This was during a period in which our owners were completely new to the game. They've since made a litinany of mistakes but you think in that period they had the foresight in which they interviewed a number of the best candidates worldwide but eventually settled on Ayre? Maybe that's what happened but quite frankly I've read more believable stories in a J. K. Rowling book.

Maybe the best candidates didnt want to join us? We're hardly the most attractive proposition - shitloads of expectation with a history of infighting and under achievement.

Either way, I dont for a minute believe Ayer was FSGs first choice.
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