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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #280 on: September 3, 2012, 04:37:24 am »
You for real?!? I think I might have to rewatch that game to refresh my memory.

I remember it was hyped as his big opportunity to break through, and he didn't do much of note, but hard to believe it was "one of the worst since you started watching Liverpool". I actually struggle to believe it was even the worst in that game.

Don't do it.... I rather go to the dentist then watch any of those games under Sir W.oy....

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #281 on: September 4, 2012, 06:25:27 pm »
Eziz Allamov ‏@Ezizallamov

Samed Yesil, Suso, Pacheco and Oussama Assaidi included in Liverpool's squad for Europa League group stages.

Maybe a glimmer of hope for wee Dani? I bloody hope so!

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #282 on: September 4, 2012, 06:28:52 pm »
good news on several fronts there - namely Suso and Pacheco.  Assaidi was expected, Yesil is a bonus - but that might mean b/c of lack of striking options he will get trial by fire. 

I sense a lot of the senior players will be rested for Europa games - which might be a bad thing if we want to advance.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #283 on: September 4, 2012, 06:29:05 pm »
He'll get his playing time as we'll include a lot of younger players in cups and Europa league games.
I hope he either takes his chance or demonstrates this fabled mystery flaw that is keeping him out of teams for years now.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #284 on: September 4, 2012, 06:30:05 pm »
Great news, hope it goes well for the lad

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #285 on: September 4, 2012, 06:31:35 pm »
Well it looks as if Rodgers is going to live or die in the Europa by his belief that he'd rather give the Susos and Pachecos a chance than bring in an Owen. And let's hope we get behind him for that.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #286 on: September 4, 2012, 06:36:28 pm »
great news

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #287 on: September 4, 2012, 06:37:37 pm »
Remember Hodgson describing Pacheco et al as his 'b' team after that loss to "formidable" Northampton, prick.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #288 on: September 4, 2012, 06:39:01 pm »
Remember Hodgson describing Pacheco et al as his 'b' team after that loss to "formidable" Northampton, prick.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #289 on: September 4, 2012, 06:39:18 pm »
i reckon the crowd at anfield would pick him up and carry him through from were hodgo left off
hope rodgers sees in what some of us do
he has all the basics and more...confidence and belief in him is whats needed now and his own belief will flourish....once hes up and running....there wont be any stopping this kid
mate of mine in spain said there are loads of pachecos over there so he doesnt get the rave reviews he was getting over here in the early days....thats good enough for me to know ....it speaks volumes about his ability....hes techinical he just needs to believe again
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #290 on: September 4, 2012, 06:43:24 pm »
Wasn't it reported that the manager at Vallecano thought he had an attitude problem. Felt he was too grand for lowly Vallecano or some thing like that, no?

Nothing of the sort was ever reported.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #291 on: September 4, 2012, 06:45:15 pm »
Hope he gets a run in Europe now that he is in the squad. I think he deserves a real shot. Could be a big year for him regarding his future at the club.
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #293 on: September 4, 2012, 07:02:04 pm »
Great for the lad! He certainly loves LFC. I agree it's not a reason to give him playing time for, but with the talent he has combined with that, he is sure to put in the work required if he gets his chance. I thought he did well in pre-season and that's not a level too far from some of the teams in the Europa so hopefully he can pick up where he left off and improve. The lad's not had first team football like Raheem, Robinson, Flanno and so we don't even know what he is capable of when he has had a few tough games and thorough workouts under his belt.

Go on, Dani lad!
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #294 on: September 4, 2012, 07:06:15 pm »
Really pleased for Dani. He was such a talent when he arrived and it's a real shame his career has stalled. Maybe this is the opportunity for it to pick up again. Is he on the final year of his contract?

I hope he gets a few games and we can finally put an end to the Pacheco mystery.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #295 on: September 4, 2012, 07:15:43 pm »
Nothing of the sort was ever reported.

The only thing that was reported was a comment by the manager that Pacheco was talented but he had to learn the Vallecano way of playing football - or some such. That was initially interpreted as being a slight on Pacheco's willingness to graft. But I do remember some respectable authority saying that it wasn't quite that. It was about learning to play in the cruder, more direct style that the Vallecano manager favoured at that time.   
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #296 on: September 4, 2012, 07:45:03 pm »
That's good enough for me.

Just hope he gets more than 7mins in a dead game to show what he can do

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« Reply #297 on: September 4, 2012, 07:49:35 pm »
Glad the lad might just finally have his big break. Really odd how he never had a chance to prove his worth in the first-team.
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #298 on: September 4, 2012, 08:13:37 pm »
The only thing that was reported was a comment by the manager that Pacheco was talented but he had to learn the Vallecano way of playing football - or some such. That was initially interpreted as being a slight on Pacheco's willingness to graft. But I do remember some respectable authority saying that it wasn't quite that. It was about learning to play in the cruder, more direct style that the Vallecano manager favoured at that time.

He was also injured for a large part of his time with Rayo and even after the manager made these comments he had a recurring problem during the season. I said after the loan that even though it hadn't worked out I thought it would have given him much more drive and determination to succeed when he came back to Liverpool. Completely baffled that Rodgers didn't fancy him enough to keep him around given our squad even if a couple of players had been added on deadline day, we still looked incredibly light.

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One of those players you brought in was Dani Pacheco on loan from Liverpool. How is he progressing?

The Spanish rate players on the present rather than the past. He’s come from Liverpool, but didn’t really play for Liverpool. We're looking to get the best out of Dani Pacheco: up until now he’s had injuries so hasn’t been able to get going.

But it’s important that a player knows where he is. He’s at Rayo now, he has to work like a Rayo player. If not, then you won’t play. So we're working a lot with him on a psychological level and getting over to him what the spirit of Rayo Vallecano is, as he needs to identify himself with the badge. Even if you have a lot of quality, if you don’t play the way I want then you aren’t going to be included.

I don't buy all this stuff about X number of managers who haven't fancied the kid. Benitez had been slowly working him into the first team. Dani was still incredibly young at the time but Rafa clearly rated the kid. The summer Rafa left Dani went off and got player of the tournament in the U19 Euros. He came back to a new manager in Roy who went on to blame him for that defeat. He never got a look in after this under Roy. God knows what this must have done to the kids confidence.

Kenny sent him on loan during the back end of the season he took over. He actually did quite well at Norwich in the short time he spent at the club. Scored a couple of goals in six appearances. Norwich at the time though were battling for promotion and Lambert naturally enough for the most part stuck with the guys who had got them to that point in season. They also had that lad whose name currently escapes me that went on a mad scoring streak to take Dani's place. Lambert praised the kid for his time with the club. He seemed to have enjoyed this time and the club and the supporters seems to have good things to say about him and would've been happy to have had him back the following season.

The following season he was loaned out to Spain. I don't really know what went on with the loanception thing but he never went to Madrid, they loaned him from us and sent him straight to Rayo. The other funny thing was Malaga made an enquiry to buy Dani outright at the time and were told we were only willing to loan him. Anyway he went off to Rayo which is where the story of this post started.

For a young kid like him trying to break through into the first team it has been very tough having seen the manager who brought him to the club leave. Since then the club has had three more managers. Lots of clubs over the years have shown an interest in buying him. We even signed him to a long term deal only a few years back to ward off interest.

So through our messing around of never giving him a run in the first team, not setting up good loan deals or just not selling him it has meant the kid in probably three of his most important years of development as a footballer has hardly played any football.

I had mixed feelings when I heard he would be staying as at this stage I want to see Dani's welfare as a footballer looked after. Another season in limbo playing very few games is the last thing he needs. I just hope that won't be the case as a success story for him at Liverpool would be something that would put a massive smile on my face.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #299 on: September 4, 2012, 08:23:44 pm »
The kid is an enigma.

Since watching him play at youth/reserve level for us....i've always wanted him to be given a chance. The contant loans and the few amount of games he got under many different managers made me wonder wht's really goin on with this kid.

Well he's still here, Rodgers will be here for a while....i hope his inclusion in the Europa squad will mean he finally gets enough playing time to impress.
Or i guess he'll just be another player that will fade into obscurity...
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #300 on: September 4, 2012, 08:39:00 pm »
He was also injured for a large part of his time with Rayo and even after the manager made these comments he had a recurring problem during the season. I said after the loan that even though it hadn't worked out I thought it would have given him much more drive and determination to succeed when he came back to Liverpool. Completely baffled that Rodgers didn't fancy him enough to keep him around given our squad even if a couple of players had been added on deadline day, we still looked incredibly light.

I don't buy all this stuff about X number of managers who haven't fancied the kid. Benitez had been slowly working him into the first team. Dani was still incredibly young at the time but Rafa clearly rated the kid. The summer Rafa left Dani went off and got player of the tournament in the U19 Euros. He came back to a new manager in Roy who went on to blame him for that defeat. He never got a look in after this under Roy. God knows what this must have done to the kids confidence.

Kenny sent him on loan during the back end of the season he took over. He actually did quite well at Norwich in the short time he spent at the club. Scored a couple of goals in six appearances. Norwich at the time though were battling for promotion and Lambert naturally enough for the most part stuck with the guys who had got them to that point in season. They also had that lad whose name currently escapes me that went on a mad scoring streak to take Dani's place. Lambert praised the kid for his time with the club. He seemed to have enjoyed this time and the club and the supporters seems to have good things to say about him and would've been happy to have had him back the following season.

The following season he was loaned out to Spain. I don't really know what went on with the loanception thing but he never went to Madrid, they loaned him from us and sent him straight to Rayo. The other funny thing was Malaga made an enquiry to buy Dani outright at the time and were told we were only willing to loan him. Anyway he went off to Rayo which is where the story of this post started.

For a young kid like him trying to break through into the first team it has been very tough having seen the manager who brought him to the club leave. Since then the club has had three more managers. Lots of clubs over the years have shown an interest in buying him. We even signed him to a long term deal only a few years back to ward off interest.

So through our messing around of never giving him a run in the first team, not setting up good loan deals or just not selling him it has meant the kid in probably three of his most important years of development as a footballer has hardly played any football.

I had mixed feelings when I heard he would be staying as at this stage I want to see Dani's welfare as a footballer looked after. Another season in limbo playing very few games is the last thing he needs. I just hope that won't be the case as a success story for him at Liverpool would be something that would put a massive smile on my face.

good summation of what happened.  I really can't understand when people say that 3 liverpool managers didn't rate him (befoer Rodgers got here).  Benitez definitely rated him quite highly and Dani would have been a squad member the next season if Rafa had been given another season.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #301 on: September 4, 2012, 08:40:56 pm »
good news on several fronts there - namely Suso and Pacheco.  Assaidi was expected, Yesil is a bonus - but that might mean b/c of lack of striking options he will get trial by fire. 

I sense a lot of the senior players will be rested for Europa games - which might be a bad thing if we want to advance.

Liverpool, Europa League. See who starts off the move with a nice 1-2 with Babel, following the touch up by supporting the subsequent move and making a shot which results in a goal by Kuyt.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #302 on: September 4, 2012, 08:45:20 pm »
Liverpool, Europa League. See who starts off the move with a nice 1-2 with Babel, following the touch up by supporting the subsequent move and making a shot which results in a goal by Kuyt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8V6HPFF4oc


I remember it well - which is why I was further baffled at Hodgson deciding to scapegoat him for the Northhampton debacle.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #303 on: September 4, 2012, 08:51:33 pm »
Well it looks as if Rodgers is going to live or die in the Europa by his belief that he'd rather give the Susos and Pachecos a chance than bring in an Owen. And let's hope we get behind him for that.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #304 on: September 4, 2012, 08:56:56 pm »
So he's in both squads. Is that correct? And he doesn't need to be named in the PL squad, because he's 21?
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #305 on: September 4, 2012, 09:20:08 pm »
So he's in both squads. Is that correct? And he doesn't need to be named in the PL squad, because he's 21?

yes thats how it seems

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #306 on: September 4, 2012, 09:34:18 pm »
Would love to see Dani, Sterling and Borini interchanging in Europe this year. Give him a chance to prove his worth ahead of the likes of Cole & Downing. If he looks out of his depth we haven't lost much and he should be sold. Not loaned again but sold as his value will have increased and he more than deserves to settle down somewhere.
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #307 on: September 5, 2012, 08:06:26 am »
As of today, I'm still not sure what our plans are with this guy.

Have we given up because he's not good enough?
Do we think he's good enough but not ready for first team yet so he needs to be loaned out?
Is he good enough but Rodgers doesn't like his attitude?
Are we trying to get his wages off our wage bill?
Is he going to get his chance now that our squad is paper thin?

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« Reply #308 on: September 7, 2012, 02:12:48 pm »
Been given the number 12 shirt again  :)
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« Reply #309 on: September 7, 2012, 03:05:42 pm »
Been given the number 12 shirt again  :)
that's good news, Pacheco deserves to have the chance to impress just like the rest of the young lads.

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« Reply #310 on: September 7, 2012, 03:28:00 pm »


hopefully, our future first team players for years to come.

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« Reply #311 on: September 7, 2012, 03:31:04 pm »
Well it looks as if Rodgers is going to live or die in the Europa by his belief that he'd rather give the Susos and Pachecos a chance than bring in an Owen. And let's hope we get behind him for that.

finally we have a coach like that. of course it´s better to play young players and give them chance to develop and grow..or learn... it´s a risk worth taking, especially in european competition n.2...

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« Reply #312 on: September 7, 2012, 03:34:12 pm »
The only thing that was reported was a comment by the manager that Pacheco was talented but he had to learn the Vallecano way of playing football - or some such. That was initially interpreted as being a slight on Pacheco's willingness to graft. But I do remember some respectable authority saying that it wasn't quite that. It was about learning to play in the cruder, more direct style that the Vallecano manager favoured at that time.   
If that was the case, then we should never have allowed the loan.
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« Reply #313 on: September 7, 2012, 03:42:15 pm »


hopefully, our future first team players for years to come.
Can only make out Pacheco, Texiera and Suso. Who is the guy at the extreme left

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« Reply #314 on: September 7, 2012, 03:44:41 pm »
Can only make out Pacheco, Texiera and Suso. Who is the guy at the extreme left

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« Reply #315 on: September 7, 2012, 03:44:56 pm »
Can only make out Pacheco, Texiera and Suso. Who is the guy at the extreme left

That's Nacho. Interestingly I had trouble figuring out that was Suso. He looks like he's grown up. Must be the tattoo. :P

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« Reply #316 on: September 7, 2012, 03:46:20 pm »
That's Nacho. Interestingly I had trouble figuring out that was Suso. He looks like he's grown up. Must be the tattoo.

Suso probably has the biggest physique of those four, he's definitely grown over the last year or so.

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« Reply #317 on: September 7, 2012, 03:58:00 pm »
Suso probably has the biggest physique of those four, he's definitely grown over the last year or so.

Yeah. Can only be a good thing. I hope they all go on to play for the first team. Then we won't need to be spending silly money for squad players. Even if they don't become part of the first eleven, we should be able to groom them to be part of the squad. I'd like to see the Teixeira do well for the u-21's this season. Our youngsters get unlucky with injuries at crucial points. It's a bit sad.

On topic, and I'm really hoping whatever happened on deadline day was a sign for Dani to get a real chance with us. I really hope he plays this season. Will be a real waste if he doesn't.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #318 on: September 7, 2012, 04:12:19 pm »
That's Nacho. Interestingly I had trouble figuring out that was Suso. He looks like he's grown up. Must be the tattoo. :P

I thought the same about Suso. Also, Texeira looks like Zac Efron there!
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« Reply #319 on: September 7, 2012, 04:37:24 pm »
I thought that was Teixeira in the picture? When did we buy Texeira;)

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