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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9200 on: April 30, 2021, 11:30:40 am »
I've never seen a synthetic graft in any of the ACLs I've rehabbed. I don't think they're as strong as using grafts but I've never really looked into it. It's either an autograft (graft from the same person) or an allograft (donor graft from another person)
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9201 on: April 30, 2021, 11:45:34 am »
Your patella acts as a pulley which increases the lever arm for your quadriceps and increases strength and power by 35-50%, take a little bit of that and it's tendon away as you would in a bone-patella tendon-bone graft and you lose some of that strength and power which in turn means you can't run as quickly.

Well not from a leopard but they can do donor grafts but I don't know which one he's had.

Your assumptions are pretty good though. Straight line running is indication that he's nowhere near returning and seeing change of direction/pivoting drills would indicate he's a lot closer. Not sure whether he's doing these behind the scenes but he'd defo have to do them before returning.
Would rule him out of the Euros then?

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9202 on: April 30, 2021, 12:00:40 pm »
Would rule him out of the Euros then?

If he's not doing them by now then yes, but he's still pushing to be involved.


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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9203 on: April 30, 2021, 12:34:30 pm »
If he's not doing them by now then yes, but he's still pushing to be involved.



He cant turn left or right but he wants to play in the Euros. That makes complete sense.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9204 on: April 30, 2021, 12:53:15 pm »
Going to be fun seeing him get cooked by Patrick Bamford next year

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9205 on: April 30, 2021, 12:54:03 pm »
Going to be fun seeing him get cooked by Patrick Bamford next year

Who cares? It'll only be in training
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9206 on: April 30, 2021, 01:27:54 pm »
Klopp pretty much confirmed Van Dijk is only doing straight line running.

No chance he goes to the Euro's

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9207 on: April 30, 2021, 02:28:51 pm »
Just seen the video of him from yesterday and read he can only run in straight lines?

I've seen enough, get him in the team on Sunday.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9208 on: May 4, 2021, 02:44:11 pm »
Looks like Van Dijk is doing that training which involves him moving to his left, then his right. Not just in a straight line.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9210 on: May 4, 2021, 02:47:37 pm »
Looks like Van Dijk is doing that training which involves him moving to his left, then his right. Not just in a straight line.

It’s called the hokey-pokey

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9211 on: May 4, 2021, 02:48:06 pm »




Those hurdles are kinda low. Not impressed.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9212 on: May 4, 2021, 02:49:50 pm »
Klopp pretty much confirmed Van Dijk is only doing straight line running.

No chance he goes to the Euro's

There is absolutely no chance he starts a game for Liverpool this season. It's touch and go whether he goes to the Euros. The sensible thing is to build up his strength in pre-season. Competitive football directly after an ACL is really risky. I could understand the urgency of a player to be involved in the World Cup, the prestige, the chance to become an absolute legend for your country. I don't think the risk is worth it for an obvious lessor competition.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9213 on: May 4, 2021, 02:52:54 pm »
Wearing gloves in may. Get rid of him

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9215 on: May 4, 2021, 03:13:44 pm »


Klopp - Pick up your own training gear. There are no maids here.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9216 on: May 4, 2021, 03:15:58 pm »
Klopp - Pick up your own training gear. There are no maids here.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9217 on: May 4, 2021, 03:43:04 pm »
Van Dijk certaintly has the muscle bulk back in his legs anyway.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9219 on: May 4, 2021, 04:18:29 pm »
He’s looking good. 😀
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9220 on: May 4, 2021, 04:21:46 pm »
He's not played an international tournament has he ? He's going to push to make it, and you can't blame him.

He won't be fit though - but as a defender he may well cope easier than an attacking player.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9221 on: May 4, 2021, 04:56:23 pm »
He's not played an international tournament has he ? He's going to push to make it, and you can't blame him.

He won't be fit though - but as a defender he may well cope easier than an attacking player.

World Cup the following year should temper his desire to risk his career for the Euros I think. I'm sure he wants to go but I think he'll listen to the advice of the medical team and his surgeon.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9222 on: May 4, 2021, 05:42:06 pm »
Those hurdles are kinda low. Not impressed.

He’s just that big.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9223 on: May 4, 2021, 06:33:15 pm »
About 4 weeks until squads are announced. Going to be interesting to see.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9224 on: May 4, 2021, 07:00:21 pm »
Changes of direction weaving round those cones….

Not too long until he’s back training with the first team then…

Hopefully just a wee bit too long for any euros pressure
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9225 on: May 4, 2021, 08:22:42 pm »
Changes of direction weaving round those cones….

Not too long until he’s back training with the first team then…

Hopefully just a wee bit too long for any euros pressure

I mean, I’m no physio but even though he is now moving left and right, surely he is still a way off team training. Team training involves full contact does it not?

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9226 on: May 4, 2021, 09:03:00 pm »
I mean, I’m no physio but even though he is now moving left and right, surely he is still a way off team training. Team training involves full contact does it not?
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But twisting and turning is good progress
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9227 on: May 5, 2021, 12:59:47 am »
There's also the mental aspect ... takes a while going in for challenges, which is something an attacking player can adjust to (ie backout). No such luxury for a defender.
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9228 on: May 5, 2021, 02:38:06 am »


I hope the lads have got Pickford tied to a goalpost and those javelins are for Virg to throw at him.  :)

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9229 on: May 5, 2021, 02:49:43 am »
I hope the lads have got Pickford tied to a goalpost and those javelins are for Virg to throw at him.  :)
And how exactly would that work, you reckon? Pickford hands can't reach behind the goalpost for the lads to tie him up...    ;D
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9230 on: May 5, 2021, 09:39:27 am »
There's also the mental aspect ... takes a while going in for challenges, which is something an attacking player can adjust to (ie backout). No such luxury for a defender.

Virgil doesn't do 'challenges', he just wins the ball.
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9231 on: May 5, 2021, 03:23:47 pm »
We should have a clearer indication soon anyway...

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9232 on: May 5, 2021, 03:40:00 pm »
Looks like Van Dijk is doing that training which involves him moving to his left, then his right. Not just in a straight line.
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9233 on: May 5, 2021, 09:51:46 pm »
We should have a clearer indication soon anyway...
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9234 on: May 5, 2021, 11:34:13 pm »
Carra attempting to draw parity between VVD/Dias.... the bloke just says these odd things for the sake of it nowadays.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9235 on: May 5, 2021, 11:53:45 pm »
Carra attempting to draw parity between VVD/Dias.... the bloke just says these odd things for the sake of it nowadays.

Dias is a different player. He is more a last ditch tackle kinda defender. You rarely see VVD flying into blocks/tackles simply because he rarely gets in that situation due to speed/strength/reading.

Dias looks good because City have changed their tactics and rely far more on counter attacks against good teams. Even Stones looks good in that setup along with Walker/Cancelo/Zinchenko who are nothing special. Their system is working this season, so credit to Pep.

Dias is very good but not on the level as VVD yet.
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9236 on: May 6, 2021, 11:55:43 am »
There's also the mental aspect ... takes a while going in for challenges, which is something an attacking player can adjust to (ie backout). No such luxury for a defender.

This is definitely true but VVD if anything gets involved in far less physical stuff than any other CB I've seen. He's normally so dominant that he either wins headers cleanly or beats people to the ball by such a margin as to not get challenged. I'd have thought it far tougher for the likes of Roy Keane to come back since he was always throwing himself into tackles. Or even AOC who injured himself while making a challenge and had a far worse injury - it must have been hard for him to get over that mentally.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9237 on: May 6, 2021, 01:16:55 pm »
This is definitely true but VVD if anything gets involved in far less physical stuff than any other CB I've seen. He's normally so dominant that he either wins headers cleanly or beats people to the ball by such a margin as to not get challenged. I'd have thought it far tougher for the likes of Roy Keane to come back since he was always throwing himself into tackles. Or even AOC who injured himself while making a challenge and had a far worse injury - it must have been hard for him to get over that mentally.

Its a really good point about him.  We rarely see him flying into sliding tackles.  He's very composed and always in the right place at the right time, and most of the time with an effortless foot in/ push the attacker off the ball.

Horrible horrible injury he got but it wasn't a result of being a defender and doing defender things.  Although we can't obviously control opposition twats and their actions.

I'd say mentally, he'll be fine. 

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9238 on: May 6, 2021, 01:18:57 pm »
Its a really good point about him.  We rarely see him flying into sliding tackles.  He's very composed and always in the right place at the right time, and most of the time with an effortless foot in/ push the attacker off the ball.

Horrible horrible injury he got but it wasn't a result of being a defender and doing defender things.  Although we can't obviously control opposition twats and their actions.

I'd say mentally, he'll be fine. 

I've not met a single athlete who isn't anxious about that first tackle following ACL repair

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #9239 on: May 6, 2021, 01:32:31 pm »
Well absolutely.

I dislocated my ankle during a game and had ligament surgery 3yrs ago.  I did a 'Gomes' on my ankle  ;D  Was out for well over a year.

Those first few games back - yep, I was definitely anxious using that ankle and the movement needed but I did surprise myself how quickly I got over it mentally given the severity and length of time I was out.

I know they're not the same and I'm certainly no mentality giant like VVD.  Give him a few games of hopefully no problems and the fella will be ok.