Cheers for the reply.
On Moreno, I believe Klopp wants 1 steady full back and 1 risk taker. Ignore why for a second.
When you think of what a risk taker looks like, he needs explosiveness to go and recover, bravery, aggression.
Why? - he needs to be our legs on the counter on the left hand side. That is why he bombs past Coutinho on transitions. I believe how Klopp is looking at this is that our transitions are a problem. And Moreno is more exposed than most as he is the risk taker in his defence. He could tell Moreno to stop - but then that causes us other problems tactically on the counter. Or he can drill the side until we are masters of the transitions like at Dortmund.
In addition, to set pressing traps successfully he needs those things for the full back to bet on himself getting to the ball before the winger when the trap is active. If he just keeps his position and marks the winger, he has an easy job getting the ball and thus the trap is ineffective. Also the explosiveness to get down the flank and cover if the passing trap fails and the team turns out of it and down the flank.
There are consequences to having such a player, and we are seeing them nice and brightly right now. But the fact remains I think Klopp wants a player like this in his team. Not two steady dependable full backs. Klopp will believe with training he can iron out the problems with Moreno that come down to "he isn´t very smart, is he?" simply because you can train a grunt into being an elite soldier. It´s just training training and training. Combined with the time to get our transitions right also, Moreno´s problems will stop being exacerbated by the system and his own personal struggles should decrease over time.
Whether this happens or not is another thing entirely. But I am sure this is how he is looking at the situation right now. If he wanted a Hector for left back, he would bin Moreno quick. Therefore he either believes in himself to use coaching to solve this problem, or there is genuinely no better fullbacks available who are what he wants for the role.
Babu love your optimism brother!
Really, refreshing to piece together why Moreno is still on the roster from a tactical/coaching perspective --- at least much more convincing to me what you propose than the Klopp loves him or is telling him what do memes.
I think the point I want to touch upon is risk, as you so aptly integrate this throughout your post. The risk that we are talking about is more of a dyad risk/reward (at least in how I'm seeing it). And I do see the merit in your points about getting up and out helps us with shape in the attack and transition as well as makes us harder to play against ---- takes up resources from the opposing right mid/flank player to account for him.
All these points are not disputed, in fact they are applauded as you make the smart point that an anti-Moreno or newly coached Moreno being told to stop causes other problems in the game.
Alas, the beautiful game is both a bitch morphing constantly with adaptation as a key element and has essential constants which all good teams rely upon for predictability/repetition.
Using less hyperbole and a bit more nuance here, I think we can still be critical of Moreno (without involving Klopp in this). Hear me out.
First, the risk/reward ratio is very high with Alberto. He poses a fundamental risk to the defense (psychologically) as well as structurally not based on his physical presence but on his ability to understand his role (priorities). This has been well documented over the time he has been here.
Second, the lure of the reward with Moreno is "White Hart Lane" emblazoned upon the memories of most LFC supporters. The reward happened. It was immediate. And intense. But, that happens so infrequently as question is Moreno's upside overvalued. We supporters and transfer committee members may have too much Spurs game on the brain... instead of he cost us about 10-12 goals last year directly. We replace his upside with a memorable goal and dismiss his risk --- as he becomes known as more of an offensive player in a defensive role. This is pretty fucked up mental gymnastics considering he is playing in one of the four back spots for one of the top teams in the world. I think we can find the kind of risk/reward player we need that seeks more of a balance versus an all or none type of movement, positioning, and tackling. There is a time and place for everything. Someone has told the lad this, but he still wants to ride his motorbike on without a helmut.
Third, the risk is going up on him. This is where the psychological component is so devastating. Each game he plays, it gets worse. He does not have another club to pull out of the bag --- all he is hits is a 4 four iron (sometimes two footed).
Four, I think Klopp sees this as high risk and he already has someone else in mind for another transfer window --- Hence, Chilwell (young player) and why he is asking Milner to fill in. The timing of keeping Moreno probably has to do with someone like Rodriguez at Wolfsburg or some other working class left back in the Bundesliga. I think he see Moreno as a short term reclamation project (a back up). And it serves his interest to do this --- as his value in the transfer market is much lower. Moreno is not the long term solution here.... everyone knows it but what is the best way to part? This is my take.
And for what is it worth, if A Moreno turns it around, I have little problem eating my words.
