Topic: General political discussion Part II

[Trada]

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1175128018324512768

Someone on the NEC was saying in the week he hasn't been to a meeting since March.

[classycarra]

Seem to be saying they will try again tomorrow I was looking at all the motions that was up for Conference they are saying about 20 may be voted on this conference and a few were about getting rid of Watson maybe they can choose on of them. 

The head of choosing the motions did tell me last week that any Watson ones would be looked at fairly when I asked her.

Is lansmann back in your good books Trada?

I recall you said you were going off him, around when he started mentioning that anti semitism is a bad thing in the party.

[Circa1892]

Just shows how absolutely pathetic Lansman and the core Corbyn fanatics are. Pretend to be obsessed with democracy but only when it suits.

[Circa1892]

Someone on the NEC was saying in the week he hasn't been to a meeting since March.

Probably because he has better things to do than hang out with failed NUS candidates talking about pointless shit?

[ShakaHislop]

And the cheerleaders for this shite are the same sycophants who scream about legally democratically elected,not sure why they include legally but then I struggle to understand half the shite they spew.

So it's OK for an elected NEC to decide to get rid of the deputy leadership because they don't like the result of the most recent election, but a Lib Dem majority government revoking Article 50 in order to stop the Brexit it doesn't like is undemocratic?

[TepidT2O]

Utterly shameful

[Trada]

Is lansmann back in your good books Trada?

I recall you said you were going off him, around when he started mentioning that anti semitism is a bad thing in the party.

God no I won't vote for him again.

But getting rid of Watson is good and the student wing reboot that he got voted on.

[TepidT2O]

God no I won't vote for him again.

But getting rid of Watson is good and the student wing reboot that he got voted on.

Hang on, abolishing someone democratically elected by labour members is a good thing?

That’s utterly utterly fucked up.  That’s so fucked up it’s barely believable

What about the democratic will of the members?

[classycarra]

God no I won't vote for him again.

But getting rid of Watson is good and the student wing reboot that he got voted on.

Is there not a vote of no confidence option?

[TepidT2O]

Is there not a vote of no confidence option?

Surely Watson could just ignore it?

[ShakaHislop]

Union source tells me at TULO meeting this eve Corbyn stressed he doesn’t want conference split. 

“He wants to bring people together on Brexit so we can get a hearing on Labour’s platform.“

If there’s (another) civil war over Tom Watson’s deputyship that ain’t going to happen.

But Corbyn clearly worried. He warned that if Labour becomes an “out and out” Remain party there would be “nothing to offer” Leave voters.

It’s an internal party conflict that I think the next few days are going to heighten, rather than resolve.

From Momentum source, who claims this isn’t about Brexit, but about Tom Watson undermining the leadership.



💥NEC meets at 10am tomorrow - Corbyn will be there. Will be explosive. Lansmann needs simple majority, which means it ends up on conference floor.

Half of votes in room are unions (Unite seconded motion) & other half CLP (majority Momentum).

Not looking good for Tom Watson.

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1175130208564895744

[Zeb]

Succession planning and confirmation the movement has died on its arse (or they'd be putting it to full membership vote of some sort...).

[Alan_X]

Seem to be saying they will try again tomorrow I was looking at all the motions that was up for Conference they are saying about 20 may be voted on this conference and a few were about getting rid of Watson maybe they can choose on of them. 

The head of choosing the motions did tell me last week that any Watson ones would be looked at fairly when I asked her.

I don’t think your lot have the first idea what ‘fair’ means.

[classycarra]

Succession planning and confirmation the movement has died on its arse (or they'd be putting it to full membership vote of some sort...).

Hadn’t thought of that. No wonder they’re so desperate (imagine dedicating your Friday night and Saturday morning to this!)

[Gerry Attrick]

Hadn’t thought of that. No wonder they’re so desperate (imagine dedicating your Friday night and Saturday morning to this!)

Clearly isn't enough Only Fools and Horses repeats on telly to keep them occupied these days. Your life must be a whole different kind of crap to care about this.

[ShakaHislop]

A clarification of exactly what happened tonight.

🚨Labour civil war klaxon - hearing a motion was tabled at tonight’s NEC calling for the abolition of the post of deputy leader. Chair ruled it out of order; there was a vote to try to overturn that, but it failed to reach the two-thirds majority required.

Neither Watson - whose pro-remain views have irked the leadership - nor Jeremy Corbyn - were in attendance.
But the NEC meets every day through conference, and Labour sources expect the issue to come back.

https://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1175125903518687233

[Circa1892]

Honestly. If they pass this shit then Watson should just quit and take half the PLP with him.

Interesting that for posters in here even finishing off Watson wouldn’t be enough to forgive Lansman for the cardinal sin...

[classycarra]

A clarification of exactly what happened tonight.

https://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1175125903518687233

Textbook sad act shithousery to make sure they do it when he’s not there

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Honestly. If they pass this shit then Watson should just quit and take half the PLP with him.

Interesting that for posters in here even finishing off Watson wouldn’t be enough to forgive Lansman for the cardinal sin...

Scream when a vote of no confidence is brought up but want to rip up another election because the deputy leader rightfully pushes for a pro remain stance.


Nothing but a gang of c*nts.

[ShakaHislop]

Honestly. If they pass this shit then Watson should just quit and take half the PLP with him.

Interesting that for posters in here even finishing off Watson wouldn’t be enough to forgive Lansman for the cardinal sin...

Why would the PLP act now when they've cowered in the corner for the past 3 years, anti-semitism and all?

[oldfordie]

Honestly. If they pass this shit then Watson should just quit and take half the PLP with him.

Interesting that for posters in here even finishing off Watson wouldn’t be enough to forgive Lansman for the cardinal sin...

Win Win for Lansman. Blairite MPs don't oppose then Watsons gone.
Blairite MPs kick up trouble then they obviously lost Labour the election if they do get hammered.
Awful,everyone blaming Jeremy for Labours disastrous election campaign when it was the Blairites fault as usual.

[Venton]

So, if (as I expect) Labour lose the next election what's next?

Corbyn will be 75 come the election after so there's little chance of him hanging on. Where is the next leader coming from, or do you think that when he goes the personality thing will go with him and Labour will drift back towards their normal position?

[WhereAngelsPlay]

So, if (as I expect) Labour lose the next election what's next?

Corbyn will be 75 come the election after so there's little chance of him hanging on. Where is the next leader coming from, or do you think that when he goes the personality thing will go with him and Labour will drift back towards their normal position?

I think that those who migrated to Labour from other parties because of Corbyn will hang around like a bad smell and totally destroy the party.

[ShakaHislop]

Unite reps voted to hear the motion as did Andy Kerr,  source says.

...

Now with full detail of how the meeting unfolded.
One NEC source tells me Watson's post is almost certain to be scrapped tomorrow. "They’ve got the votes they need. The Unite-Momentum axis has the numbers.”

Among those who voted to hear Lansman motion were @HackneyAbbott and Rebecca Long-Bailey.

NEC source:  “This proves this conference is not about the general election.  It is about cementing control of the party.”

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1175127804557611008

[TepidT2O]

So, if (as I expect) Labour lose the next election what's next?

Corbyn will be 75 come the election after so there's little chance of him hanging on. Where is the next leader coming from, or do you think that when he goes the personality thing will go with him and Labour will drift back towards their normal position?

It will be  another useless c*nt.

Literally no one left gives a fuck about doing anything.  It’s all about being seen to be camping in against x, y or z rather than actually doing anything about it.

The most pointless and petty student union politics brought to the big stage.

A takeover by socialist workers, Marxists, communists and trots has robbed the honest folk of this country of the chance of being able bite for a progressive party that will fight inequality.

And what’s left?  I wouldn’t vote Tory under any circumstances.  And to be honest I will only vote for other parties because I can’t vote for a bunch of racist Marxists under any circumstances.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

When were Andy Kerr and Lansman voted into Westminster ?

[Trada]

When were Andy Kerr and Lansman voted into Westminster ?

You should be worrying about Cummings.

And not Watson that no one will remember in a week.

I love Labour conference time now.

[TepidT2O]

You should be worrying about Cummings.

And not Watson that no one will remember in a week.

I love Labour conference time now.

Amusingly you think Watson won’t be an issue if he’s no longer deputy leader.

How naive.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

You should be worrying about Cummings.

And not Watson that no one will remember in a week.

I love Labour conference time now.

You weren't even a Labour voter before Comrade Creepy pushed for the leadership.


Watson has done more for this country than the lazy terrorist loving Comrade Creepy ever will,though to be fair that stands true about most MPs records in comparison to Comrade Creepy.

[Circa1892]

You should be worrying about Cummings.

And not Watson that no one will remember in a week.

I love Labour conference time now.

Pathetic

[andy07]

Momentum. How to guarantee a Tory government at the next GE.  Sod of you commy rotters.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Momentum. How to guarantee a Tory government at the next GE.  Sod of you commy rotters.

Typical Blairite unable to see the bigger picture 

[ShakaHislop]

Speaking to well placed source, 2 theories doing the rounds on the NEC:

 1) Lansman prepping for GE loss/ Corbyn resignation and wanting to stop Watson from overseeing the leadership contest.

2) dead cat to distract from Brexit.

Source thought (as I do) real reason is no.1.

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1175161473045188608

[ShakaHislop]

And here's the other element in the mix. As reported by @HuffPostUK this week, party wants new rules on 'acting leader' to replace Corbyn in an emergency - usual acting leader would be the deputy leader.
Those new rules passed tonight at NEC. See update:

Key new rule change: “The acting leader’s powers only take effect when her/his appointment has been approved by the NEC.”
NEC has for the first time total control over whoever replaces Corbyn should he suddenly quit as leader.

One MP said to me this week: 'ask yourself...why are they focusing on Corbyn suddenly quitting?'

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1175163081539903489

[andy07]

Typical Blairite unable to see the bigger picture 

And which bigger picture do you allude to?

[RobinHood]

So, if (as I expect) Labour lose the next election what's next?

Corbyn will be 75 come the election after so there's little chance of him hanging on. Where is the next leader coming from, or do you think that when he goes the personality thing will go with him and Labour will drift back towards their normal position?

I watched that Cameron documentary the other day and when he won the leadership he said the Tory party needed to look, sound and act like a completely different party.

That’s what needs to happen to Labour in the aftermath of the next election defeat. Total modernisation, all the fossils like Corbyn and Abbott need clearing out along with all the other relics of the past. Pick a young leader with a whole new vision for 21st century Britain.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

And which bigger picture do you allude to?

Not sure but it's big,so big that the twats who recently joined the party are willing to watch the country go down the shitter.

[ShakaHislop]

I watched that Cameron documentary the other day and when he won the leadership he said the Tory party needed to look, sound and act like a completely different party.

That’s what needs to happen to Labour in the aftermath of the next election defeat. Total modernisation, all the fossils like Corbyn and Abbott need clearing out along with all the other relics of the past. Pick a young leader with a whole new vision for 21st century Britain.

You'll get a young leader, like Long-Bailey, who shares the same ideology as Corbyn.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

You'll get a young leader, like Long-Bailey, who shares the same ideology as Corbyn.

She's like her Leader,done fuck all in life but thinks she's smart enough to run a political party.


The worst type of career politicians.

[Zeb]

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1175161473045188608

I got one right. My reading of their intent was to use trigger ballots to get enough Corbynite MPs in safe seats to push Long Bailey on the membership (20% of total MPs/MEPs needed to nominate still isn't it?). Trigger ballots have kind of flopped up to now (even Lucy Powell has escaped so far) so they're now delaying allowing candidates to be selected to see if they can push some favoured sons and daughters into seats over the heads of local CLPs. It's all looking very desperate. Ann Black reckons either participation in internal elections has fallen 50% or membership has, or some combination of the two. Not that even the number of ballot papers getting sent out is now made available. It's all a mystery.