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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #77760 on: March 26, 2024, 03:03:25 pm »
There’s a lot of unknowns that make predictions of number of players we’ll sign this summer quite difficult.

What happens with Salah, Trent, Matip and Thiago? Will any other player look to leave with Klopp departing?

What about new manager? Does squad fully fit their tactical ideals? Any players they don’t fancy?

What young players do they like and want to develop? Not all managers put trust in youngsters like Klopp.

Lots of unknown before you get into the premature shouts of replacing Robertson etc

If Klopp was staying as manager I’d be quite confident saying that 1st team squad signings this summer would be 3 or less. Potentially just 1 or 2. The unknowns about a new manager and direction of the club mean that number could easily be 3-5 depending on circumstances.
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« Reply #77761 on: March 26, 2024, 04:11:26 pm »
The usual chatter about him wanting Barca, and his father has fanned those rumours a bit. The obvious caveat is that Barca are broke and that's not changing anytime soon.

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« Reply #77762 on: March 26, 2024, 04:43:33 pm »
There’s a lot of unknowns that make predictions of number of players we’ll sign this summer quite difficult.

What happens with Salah, Trent, Matip and Thiago? Will any other player look to leave with Klopp departing?

What about new manager? Does squad fully fit their tactical ideals? Any players they don’t fancy?

What young players do they like and want to develop? Not all managers put trust in youngsters like Klopp.

Lots of unknown before you get into the premature shouts of replacing Robertson etc

If Klopp was staying as manager I’d be quite confident saying that 1st team squad signings this summer would be 3 or less. Potentially just 1 or 2. The unknowns about a new manager and direction of the club mean that number could easily be 3-5 depending on circumstances.

Yep, could be a wild summer.

I would expect some youth-type signings to continue regardless (the likes of Clark, McConnell, and even more established ones like Carvalho) as our scouting structure and youth investment wouldn't be interrupted.

For the first team, as we get closer and closer to wrapping up the search our future manager, I'm sure the likes of Edwards and Hughes will be thinking about targets and possibilities.  Conversations with agents and players would probably continue.

Hopefully won't be too disruptive, but there's too much uncertainty for now.
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« Reply #77763 on: March 26, 2024, 04:49:17 pm »
Lots for a new manager to review especially with regards to youth - Van Den Berg (CB), Quansah (CB), Bradley (RB), Danns (CF), Carvalho (AM), Elliot (CM), Beck (LB), Chambers (LB/CB), Morton (CM), McConnell (CM), Clarke (CM), Bajcetic (CM)..

Clearly Elliot, Quansah, Bradley, Bajcetic all look to have made that jump to 1st teamers, who will be next and that may see more leave for gametime. We really are spoilt, basically a full team available!
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« Reply #77764 on: March 26, 2024, 05:45:41 pm »
Lots for a new manager to review especially with regards to youth - Van Den Berg (CB), Quansah (CB), Bradley (RB), Danns (CF), Carvalho (AM), Elliot (CM), Beck (LB), Chambers (LB/CB), Morton (CM), McConnell (CM), Clarke (CM)..

Clearly Elliot, Quansah, Bradley all look to have made that jump to 1st teamers, who will be next and that may see more leave for gametime. We really are spoilt, basically a full team available!

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« Reply #77765 on: March 26, 2024, 06:22:36 pm »
I think Endo is a really good example of the latte.

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« Reply #77766 on: March 26, 2024, 06:26:54 pm »
You missed the biggest talent of them all.

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« Reply #77767 on: March 26, 2024, 06:52:59 pm »
Jesus, what a dick, yes +the badger.

Maybe we can sign Broja in the summer to complement him?
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« Reply #77768 on: March 26, 2024, 08:43:53 pm »
We do need 3-4 players though.

Robbo is not the player he once was and needs someone who is/will be good enough to takeover his role. A CB is a necessity with Matip going, Konate not able to stay fit for a full season and Virg aging. A rotation of Virg, Quansah, Konate and another youngish CB is vital going into another 50+ game season. The midfield is great already and will be better with Bajcetic in there next season.

The forward line will be trickier if as rumoured Diaz wants to go, and Salah's furture uncertain. Even if Mo stays a truly quick left footer would be a really good option to have and is probably necessary because we look one paced if Nunez isn't playing.
Plus the guy playing for England as centre-back right now. Can't believe how many people forget how good he is there, just because he's also really good at fullback.

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« Reply #77769 on: March 26, 2024, 09:58:32 pm »
Maybe we can sign Broja in the summer to complement him?

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« Reply #77770 on: March 26, 2024, 10:07:41 pm »
If Forest get relegated would there be interest in Neco as only 22 n always thought he be ready to step up n challenge Robertson.
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« Reply #77771 on: March 26, 2024, 10:08:56 pm »
If Forest get relegated would there be interest in Neco as only 22 n always thought he be ready to step up n challenge Robertson.

He plays right back doesn’t he?

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« Reply #77772 on: March 26, 2024, 10:14:11 pm »
Maybe we can sign Broja in the summer to complement him?

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« Reply #77774 on: March 26, 2024, 10:21:14 pm »
He plays right back doesn’t he?

Plays on the left with Wales but yeah usually on the right.
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« Reply #77775 on: March 26, 2024, 11:26:44 pm »
Bloody hell, I’m glad you lot aren’t in charge of our transfers.  We’d be looking at a blockbuster summer transfer window of Lloyd Kelly, Antonee Robinson and Neco Williams  :o :D

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« Reply #77776 on: March 27, 2024, 01:36:56 am »
Bloody hell, I’m glad you lot aren’t in charge of our transfers.  We’d be looking at a blockbuster summer transfer window of Lloyd Kelly, Antonee Robinson and Neco Williams  :o :D

Makes total sense if we’re replacing Klopp with Gareth Southgate  :lmao

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« Reply #77777 on: March 27, 2024, 06:55:17 am »
Bloody hell, I’m glad you lot aren’t in charge of our transfers.  We’d be looking at a blockbuster summer transfer window of Lloyd Kelly, Antonee Robinson and Neco Williams  :o :D

Not as though we don’t have form for finding a player doing well at a lower club and seeing them jump to worldclass in a year or so.

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« Reply #77778 on: March 27, 2024, 06:56:48 am »
Not as though we don’t have form for finding a player doing well at a lower club and seeing them jump to worldclass in a year or so.

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« Reply #77779 on: March 27, 2024, 07:16:41 am »
Jurgen does

I’m 99.9% sure Klopp didn’t identify Robertson, he defo didn’t Salah. Coached them yes, but he needed the ingredients to work with, like our new manager will have to.

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« Reply #77780 on: March 27, 2024, 08:00:51 am »
We do need 3-4 players though.

Robbo is not the player he once was and needs someone who is/will be good enough to takeover his role. A CB is a necessity with Matip going, Konate not able to stay fit for a full season and Virg aging. A rotation of Virg, Quansah, Konate and another youngish CB is vital going into another 50+ game season. The midfield is great already and will be better with Bajcetic in there next season.

The forward line will be trickier if as rumoured Diaz wants to go, and Salah's furture uncertain. Even if Mo stays a truly quick left footer would be a really good option to have and is probably necessary because we look one paced if Nunez isn't playing.

Robbo is still only 29. I’m not sure where the idea has come from he isn’t the player he once was, he’s been injured the majority of this season, but it’s not like he’s fell off a cliff. I would understand the argument of signing a different type of left back that may suit sitting more and passing the ball (this could be Kelly, as much as people might fume about that), but I’m not sure a Robbo contingency plan is immediately required. If one of Robbo or Kostas left I would understand it, but I can’t see us looking to replace a 29 year old player unless we really had to, ie he was out of contract. It would also depend on how we rate the left back market and if we can get a top replacement. I’ve no idea who’s available but I’d be amazed if we can get world class for better value than Robbo’s current cost.

My own view is I think if only Matip leaves we’ll sign a defender who would be seen as good enough to start but not someone in the bracket of VVD or even Konate when we signed him. Whether that’s Kelly or Tosin I’ve no idea, but with Quansah emerging as a prospect, we may look more towards the 24-27 range rather than under-23, someone that can come in, immediately fill a role within the squad but won’t block the progress of Quansah.

I can’t see us doing a midfielder unless we ruthlessly move on from Endo, it’s not unthinkable like, it doesn’t feel like there’s a 6 out there who fits the profile of Tchouameni or Caicedo, it would have to be someone like that for us to be that ruthless.

I’m all for signing another forward, we’ll obviously have to do one or two if Mo leaves. If Mo stays I’d be open to the idea of signing another one as Jota’s getting close to the Keita bracket of availability.

So for me, I can see us doing a centre half (a versatile one would be good but the versatile ones aren’t usually elite as CBs like Gomez) and a forward. I think that’s as much as we’ll do unless we get really pro active with sales and look to move on from some senior players. You could make a case for quite a few senior players being at risk of being sold this summer and they’re all fair, I think the manager moving on is disruptive enough and we’ll look to keep this core of players together at least for a year, give the new manager a year to assess the playing squad and then if it looks a good match, start to back him to rebuild the side alongside Hughes. So, for me, barring any big sales, I can only see us doing a couple.

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« Reply #77781 on: March 27, 2024, 08:17:47 am »
Robbo is still only 29. I’m not sure where the idea has come from he isn’t the player he once was, he’s been injured the majority of this season, but it’s not like he’s fell off a cliff. I would understand the argument of signing a different type of left back that may suit sitting more and passing the ball (this could be Kelly, as much as people might fume about that), but I’m not sure a Robbo contingency plan is immediately required. If one of Robbo or Kostas left I would understand it, but I can’t see us looking to replace a 29 year old player unless we really had to, ie he was out of contract. It would also depend on how we rate the left back market and if we can get a top replacement. I’ve no idea who’s available but I’d be amazed if we can get world class for better value than Robbo’s current cost.

Except that his form hasn't been good for the last two seasons, injuries not withstanding. Unfortunately Robbo's best attribute is his pace and physicality, remove that and like Henderson before him it is a problem. Yes he's 29 and probably still has a few seasons left in him, and I hope he'll stay for a while yet but we should always be looking at improving the squad and LB is a issue.

Either way any transfer speculation is just supposition till we get a new Manager.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #77782 on: March 27, 2024, 08:40:23 am »
Bloody hell, I’m glad you lot aren’t in charge of our transfers.  We’d be looking at a blockbuster summer transfer window of Lloyd Kelly, Antonee Robinson and Neco Williams  :o :D
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« Reply #77783 on: March 27, 2024, 11:34:31 am »
Just my opinion but with Edwards back i can see Robbo being sold if a good offer comes in.
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« Reply #77784 on: March 27, 2024, 11:37:15 am »
Except that his form hasn't been good for the last two seasons, injuries not withstanding. Unfortunately Robbo's best attribute is his pace and physicality, remove that and like Henderson before him it is a problem. Yes he's 29 and probably still has a few seasons left in him, and I hope he'll stay for a while yet but we should always be looking at improving the squad and LB is a issue.

Either way any transfer speculation is just supposition till we get a new Manager.

How different are Alonso and Amorim becauase it's likely one of those two and the manager will have less say than Klopp did on which players to go for. But they will still want players for the managers style.
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« Reply #77785 on: March 27, 2024, 12:05:22 pm »
Robertson ultimately hasn't been the same player for going on four years IMO. I'm talking about the absolute top of his game form, he's still been very serviceable since then and one of the better left backs around but at this age (hardly death's door at 30, I know) and a couple of smaller injuries/bouts of underwhelming form under the belt, I do think he'll struggle going forward to get back to that form. I think he has a few years left in him and hope to see him stay but I think if you want to get to the very best level you can his position would be one of the first I'd say bring proper competition in for. He obviously doesn't view Tsimikas as his equal, so move him on and bring the next big thing in, I'd say someone like Ait Nouri from Wolves who looks like he has potential to be one of the better left backs and has lots of good years ahead.

I think if we did do that, whatever younger left back would come in would really be a good challenge going forward for Robertson. He obviously wouldn't be happy if he lost his place in the long term but I think the best way we can look at it is if we can make him the backup eventually as he gets a bit older. Maybe he wouldn't be down for that, couldn't blame him, but I'm not sure how much of a market there is for older full backs where we receive an offer that'd be worth taking for him. He is the type who wants to play regular football though, obviously. He's always said he wants to play for Celtic but I can't see that happening for a few years.
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« Reply #77786 on: March 27, 2024, 12:07:59 pm »
Robertson ultimately hasn't been the same player for going on four years IMO. I'm talking about the absolute top of his game form,

4 years?  :-X

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« Reply #77787 on: March 27, 2024, 12:11:05 pm »
4 years?  :-X

Nah no way, start of last year I'd say is when his form dipped, he has shown some signs recently of it going back to near normal but another injury would be a right pain.

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« Reply #77788 on: March 27, 2024, 12:43:34 pm »
No idea why Robertson is getting picked on. He is still very, very good and probably still the best if not one of the best 2 or 3 left backs in the country (i personally think he is still the best). His numbers are still good as well and thats coming off a long injury.

Also to address clinical’s point, why would we sell him? Still one of the best but if we sell then how much are we getting for a 30 year old left back? We shouldnt need to sell to sign another left back and its not like we are going to sign a left back on big money anyway.

Id keep him at least until the end of his contract and review at that point.

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« Reply #77789 on: March 27, 2024, 12:44:31 pm »
4 years?  :-X

Nah no way, start of last year I'd say is when his form dipped, he has shown some signs recently of it going back to near normal but another injury would be a right pain.

I did say his absolute best form, starting the day he joined running for a good few years straight. Just how good he was from 2017-2020 can't ever be forgotten, his peak for me is the greatest Liverpool full back ever pretty much. Being lucky enough to see Klopp's great side regularly at Anfield he's actually been one of the top few players I've always been excited to go and watch play, just to give you an idea of how much I've enjoyed him playing for Liverpool.

You have to look at it in the context of the rest of the side, certainly the players who were with him then and remain here to this day. Salah and Alisson have arguably got better IMO, but I think Trent (who's been better than Robertson the past few years) hasn't exactly been the same player either, more of his defence frailties showing when he was actually really solid during the best days of Klopp. Trent however, I can see getting back to that top level, in fact some of his best performances in the shirt have came over these past few years. Van Dijk, I don't think he's the same player either as he was from 2017-the injury, but he's close enough and you still wouldn't replace him for anyone.

I disagree about your assessment that his form has only dipped since the start of last year Draex. I thought he struggled massively during the Covid times (plenty others did too) and feel he's played massively within himself since the start of last season continuing to now. Even during the crazy 2021/22 season where we done so well I didn't think he was out of this world or anything. I wouldn't say he's had long periods of being shite or anything like that, but I certainly can't see him ever performing to that level regularly again. I actually would have Gomez starting there until the end of the season, which is a positive indictment of how good he's been this season.

As I said above, I certainly wouldn't sell him, but feel the competition can only make the side (and maybe him) better.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #77790 on: March 27, 2024, 04:30:41 pm »
Robinson isnt good enough.

Only seen him play twice against Bournemouth and recently v Spurs and I thought he looked very good , probably not enough to judge him on

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« Reply #77791 on: March 27, 2024, 04:37:10 pm »
Only seen him play twice against Bournemouth and recently v Spurs and I thought he looked very good , probably not enough to judge him on

He is good, he played well against us.

I think Aït-Nouri who is 4 years younger and Wolves needing to sell is right up our street though.

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« Reply #77792 on: March 27, 2024, 04:40:31 pm »
Only seen him play twice against Bournemouth and recently v Spurs and I thought he looked very good , probably not enough to judge him on

He’s 27 in August so not really the type of full back I think we’d target unless they are coming in as 1st choice. There’s not enough difference in his and Robertson’s age for Robinson to gradually become the starter and then have multiple seasons as 1st choice.

If we get a left back, I think it’ll be at the expense of Tsimikas. Someone in the 20-23 bracket who could provide good back up now and still only be early to mid 20’s in 2-3 seasons when you would aim for them to have superseded Robertson as 1st choice. Ait-Nouri seems obvious candidate to me though he may not be willing to be understudy to Robertson in the short term.
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« Reply #77793 on: March 27, 2024, 10:33:27 pm »
There might only be 2-3 years between them but Robinson’s played nearly half of the career minutes Robertson has. I’d say that’s just as important as the age thing.

Is there any clause or anything with Robinson? I doubt we’d bother if there wasn’t, simply because we wouldn’t pay over the odds for a 27 year old, he’s under contract for 4-5 years isn’t he so they could demand a decent fee. We would only go for a player like that if a bargain was to be had.

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« Reply #77794 on: March 27, 2024, 11:06:52 pm »
I sort of get the Robinson shouts, since he played quite well against us once, but he's really not a player anyone would class as very good or up to our level.

Like a lot of USA players, his best attributes are physical rather than technical - he's very much an athletic type. Following the Deandre Yedlin sort of archetype.

Players like him and Neco Williams who was mentioned would not improve our squad. I'd even question if it'd be worth adding them to the squad hypothetically for free (but on their current contract with a slight raise for the transfer) given the clear talent levels of some of our young fullbacks.

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« Reply #77795 on: March 27, 2024, 11:29:15 pm »
He’s English but plays for America. Came through Everton’s academy.

He’s another one I haven’t watched heaps of but have been impressed, he obviously has express pace and that’s always really appealing given how high risk we play. I would hope if we do move for a left back it would be someone with the potential to be world class and eventually succeed Robbo. I’m open to the idea of a different type of full back though, whether we want a winger type like Robbo or someone more comfortable sitting and building play from the back or simply a more defensive full back, it’ll be interesting to see the club’s succession plan for Robbo, assuming it’s not Luke Chambers.

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« Reply #77796 on: March 27, 2024, 11:46:42 pm »
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Liverpool are showing keen interest in one of Ukraine's brightest talents, Georgiy Sudakov. The Reds' scouts have been attentively tracking the 21-year-old central midfielder over the past year, and there's little doubt that they are pleased with the majority of his performances. Juventus and Arsenal are also in the race to secure his services.

In January, Shakhtar CEO Sergey Palkin disclosed that they had turned down a €40m offer from Napoli for his signature. He also expressed confidence that Sudakov will soon be playing for one of Europe's top clubs.

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« Reply #77797 on: March 28, 2024, 12:41:18 am »
I'd have thought a CM of that age would be the last position we'd be looking to strengthen in.
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« Reply #77798 on: March 28, 2024, 01:02:38 am »
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thats a blast from the past. was it him who reported on our attempt to sign Mkhitaryan before he went to Dortmund? Or was it one of the other shaktar guys - Willian, or the one who went to china?

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« Reply #77799 on: March 28, 2024, 06:35:33 am »
I'd have thought a CM of that age would be the last position we'd be looking to strengthen in.
Unless he's a regen of Modric then I doubt it's a legit interest. Klopp did the hard work and rebuilt a very diverse midfield, no need to rip it up next season when defence and attack are the priority. 
I’ve plenty links to the clubs playing and backroom staff as many on here know thank you very much. Fair enough, I admire your optimism. But you’re absolute ostriches if you think this squad, even with 2 or 3 new, “cut price” players with potential get us anywhere close