Topic: The corruption fallacy - they’re all out to get us!

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Sounds like you have 5 bottles of vino in you too pal 

Pre-Manchester United.

I always have. Best to be safe kid

[Yorkykopite]

As I have said all along prisons are full of people who claim to be innocent and look to blame the criminal justice system. The reality is that the vast majority of those people have no grounds for thinking the criminal justice system is against them. According to you, that means people claiming to be a victim of a miscarriage of justice should be ignored.

I think I understand what you're trying to say. You're saying Salah is in prison, but Grealish is still on the streets. But the evidence suggests that they robbed the bank together?

I'm not sure where Haaland fits in though. He's confessed, even though he wasn't there? And I refuse to re-open the case? Is that it?

[Realgman]

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Cameron said that the Hillsborough families were "Like a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there.". That is how dismissive of the people suggesting something isn't quite right that you are.

Jaysis, lot of heavy giving out here, no need for that kinda stuff

[Eeyore]

Jaysis, lot of heavy giving out here, no need for that kinda stuff

The analogy was completely about people with a closed mind refusing to accept the possibility that something may be amiss.

[tubby]

The analogy was completely about people with a closed mind refusing to accept the possibility that something may be amiss.

And a former leader of the Tory party was the only person you could think of to compare a fellow Liverpool fan with?

It's not the first time you've compared someone with a Tory when arguing, and I think it's a pretty disgusting tactic on a Liverpool forum of all places.

I'd like to think you're better than that, but it keeps happening.  Real cheap shot and completely uncalled for.

[Egyptian36]

And a former leader of the Tory party was the only person you could think of to compare a fellow Liverpool fan with?

It's not the first time you've compared someone with a Tory when arguing, and I think it's a pretty disgusting tactic on a Liverpool forum of all places.

I'd like to think you're better than that, but it keeps happening.  Real cheap shot and completely uncalled for.

Plan A didn't work ? 

Do you have the stats for all seasons, where can they be found?

How does he compare to Haaland over the last two seasons?  I reckon that would be an interesting comparison.  They're both strong and quick, both shrug off defenders, and both play as forwards for top teams.

I'll get his name right one day.  So he's only done it for two seasons, not the entire time Mo has been here?  Would be interesting to see if the pattern is still the same now and how he compares to every other attacking player.

How many years is the Salah data from, has Tompkins done it for the whole time he's been here, and has he compared Salah's numbers with every other player in the league who is competing in European competition too?

[tubby]

Plan A didn't work ? 

When I have a week off work I'll wade through all the data to make my own judgements, but I'm not sure what that part of the conversation has to do with Al saying posters are Tories for not agreeing with him?

[CHOPPER]

Jaysis, lot of heavy giving out here, no need for that kinda stuff

Yep, I agree.

Can we not use rape, pedophillia, seal clubbing or even genocide, as a metaphor to prove a point on a pointless matter, to try and prove a point because this is all you have in your life.

[Yorkykopite]

Being compared to a Tory is just silly. I wasn't bothered so much by that because it's so obviously not true. What is really crass is implying that the injustice done by referees to Mo Salah, or LFC, is somehow comparable with the injustice of Hillsborough.

There was nothing to debate about Hillsborough. It wasn't a 'statistical outlier'. It was a grave injustice, a criminal injustice. The evidence of police corruption was abundantly substantiated. The testimony of hundreds of Liverpool supporters was well documented. 'Rogue' police officers gave accurate testimony about their bosses. Many who were in the stadium saw with their own eyes the hopeless mismanagement of the crowd on the day. The coverage of the Sun newspaper was there in black and white. There was nothing to dispute. The facts were there. They were incontrovertible. And as Scraton and his team did their investigations yet more incriminating facts were revealed.

To compare this momumental effort to a a couple of debatable graphs by Tomkins is what is really insulting. You have to conclude that the lad who uses Hillsborough in this way really doesn't know much about Hillsborough. Or has somehow forgotten what it was all about. That's the insult.

[Eeyore]

Being compared to a Tory is just silly. I wasn't bothered so much by that because it's so obviously not true. What is really crass is implying that the injustice done by referees to Mo Salah, or LFC, is somehow comparable with the injustice of Hillsborough.

There was nothing to debate about Hillsborough. It wasn't a 'statistical outlier'. It was a grave injustice, a criminal injustice. The evidence of police corruption was abundantly substantiated. The testimony of hundreds of Liverpool supporters was well documented. 'Rogue' police officers gave accurate testimony about their bosses. Many who were in the stadium saw with their own eyes the hopeless mismanagement of the crowd on the day. The coverage of the Sun newspaper was there in black and white. There was nothing to dispute. The facts were there. They were incontrovertible. And as Scraton and his team did their investigations yet more incriminating facts were revealed.

To compare this momumental effort to a a couple of debatable graphs by Tomkins is what is really insulting. You have to conclude that the lad who uses Hillsborough in this way really doesn't know much about Hillsborough. Or has somehow forgotten what it was all about. That's the insult.

Except in no way did I compare the two. That is you allow over though isn't it taking one line completely out of context? and cut out the rest of the post to make your point. The analogy was entirely about your closed mind and refusal to even consider the possibility of bias or a corrupt organisation. That was the comparison not your politics or Hillsborough. You know that.

Time and time again you edit people's posts cherry pick something and use it for a personal attack.

As far as Hillsborough goes what do think campaigns in my profile means?

Don't bother replying because it will just be another cut and shut and an opportunity to ignore the data and evidence.

[CHOPPER]

And noone else does fuck all abar Hillsborough, other than you, and then advertises it eh, and then you use it(Hillsborough) and those around it to argue a point. Fuck off dickhead.

[Eeyore]

And noone else does fuck all abar Hillsborough, other than you, and then advertises it eh, and then you use it(Hillsborough) and those around it to argue a point. Fuck off dickhead.

Accept I did none of those things. Point out where I even hinted that no one else did anything regarding Hillsborough.

[wah00ey]

How hard did they try to find a reason to disallow our second?

[Eeyore]

How did Fernandes not get a second yellow for a studs up challenge on Szobozslai?

[Zaffarious]

Love to see people defend that lack of second yellow for Bruno 😂😂 considering Gomez was booked two seconds later for winning the ball

[Mister Flip Flop]

Robbed. Fernandes still on the pitch despite a clear second yellow.

[Gods_Left_Boot]

How did Fernandes not get a second yellow for a studs up challenge on Szobozslai?

A red card would've "ruined the game", obviously 

[cdav]

The lino who couldn't wait to get his flag up first half keeps it down all second half, Rashford looked a yard off for that late chance

[Samie]

C*nt's the lot of them. 

[Tonyh8su]

How did Fernandes not get a second yellow for a studs up challenge on Szobozslai?

Apparently the referee was “pouring cold water in it” to “maintain game balance.” Scum

[Schmidt]

Another new term wheeled out to justify it, "game management".

[Fromola]

The lino who couldn't wait to get his flag up first half keeps it down all second half, Rashford looked a yard off for that late chance

'Only a bit offside'

[duvva 💅]

How did Fernandes not get a second yellow for a studs up challenge on Szobozslai?

Yep mad. Then Gomez got a yellow for winning the ball a minute later

[Redley]

As Andy and a few others called it, I’m sure there’ll be a logical reason why Fernandes wasn’t sent off or why they decided not to check offside on the equaliser

[rob1966]

The lino who couldn't wait to get his flag up first half keeps it down all second half, Rashford looked a yard off for that late chance

He was, they'd have found a way to allow the goal too, the Rashford rule or some shit like that

[Funky_Gibbons]

The lino who couldn't wait to get his flag up first half keeps it down all second half, Rashford looked a yard off for that late chance

Salah was flagged first half when he was on, no benefit of the doubt.

[RyanBabel19]

Of course... more dogshit officiating

[jepovic]

The refs had a better game than us

[Mister Flip Flop]

Referee bottled it.

[Mister Flip Flop]

The refs had a better game than us

Are you kidding me? He had one big decision to make and he bottled it.

[jepovic]

Are you kidding me? He had one big decision to make and he bottled it.

We made several massive blunders, he made one.
ManU were poor and we were shite

[Yorkykopite]

Referee bottled it.

I'm afraid the players bottled it.

[whtwht]

Referee bottled it.

But you have to be ruthless vs these mancs

[Legs]

But you have to be ruthless vs these mancs

Yes you do but he still bottled a big call.

Other than 5-0 its never easy going to Old Trafford in my lifetime just hope we are much more ruthless in 3 weeks time.

We werent at our best but still could have won.

[Redley]

Ref makes a tiny, tiny decision ‘for us’ - “See that proves refs are fine”

Ref absolutely shithouses out of sending Fernandes - “Um…we should have won so that doesn’t count”

[Red Wanderer]

Every single week I expect a straightforward big call to go against us, where the referee or VAR can see a clear call has to be made, and just decide not to.

Studs up in the chest in the box. Nope.

Lunging, high, dangerous tackle on the edge of their box. No second yellow.

They’re deciding every week how a game should play out, based on their own egos, ‘game management’ and preferences.

It’s exhausting.

[Eeyore]

Fernandes was laughing his head off waiting for the VAR check because he knew Brooks had bottled it.

Same as the EFL final when he lied about Caicedo slipping when he crippled Grav.

[RyanBabel19]

Fernandes was laughing his head off waiting for the VAR check because he knew Brooks had bottled it.

Same as the EFL final when he lied about Caicedo slipping when he crippled Grav.

Noticed that, he knew straight away

[tubby]

He was laughing because he thought it was crazy that we got a free kick there.

I'm out of this thread, half time was proof that some are just too far down the rabbit hole.

Soz guys.

[Eeyore]

I'm afraid the players bottled it.

That was one of the clearest yellow cards you will ever see. Twice you have criticised Klopp for calling out referees. Now you are calling the players bottlers just so you can defend referees.