Topic: Typhoid Trump: the not-smart, corrupt, coward, loser, thread

[Buggy Eyes Alfredo]

Head of the FBI, Wray, is one of those named as being someone Trump will fire. Been stories for weeks now that Wray refused to even pretend to press charges against Biden or his family ahead of the election.

Eric Feigl-Ding           @DrEricDing
"WHAT THE HOLY F*CK?! Steve Bannon calls for the ***beheading*** of Dr Fauci and FBI Director Wray as a warning to federal workers. This video is real. Captured by
@peltzmadeline"

https://www.twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1324481449614024715

[Zeb]

Eric Feigl-Ding           @DrEricDing
"WHAT THE HOLY F*CK?! Steve Bannon calls for the ***beheading*** of Dr Fauci and FBI Director Wray as a warning to federal workers. This video is real. Captured by
@peltzmadeline"

https://www.twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1324481449614024715

Social media companies have banned him after that. Going to be bumpy. I doubt the Trump family will stay particularly quiet about those who enabled them for the past few years suddenly stepping away.

[Buggy Eyes Alfredo]

Social media companies have banned him after that. Going to be bumpy. I doubt the Trump family will stay particularly quiet about those who enabled them for the past few years suddenly stepping away.

Was only released out on bail two and half months ago or so, I believe.

[Zeb]

Was only released out on bail two and half months ago or so, I believe.

Queue for pardons before January is going to make Bill Clinton look like a model of probity.

[12C]

Eric Feigl-Ding           @DrEricDing
"WHAT THE HOLY F*CK?! Steve Bannon calls for the ***beheading*** of Dr Fauci and FBI Director Wray as a warning to federal workers. This video is real. Captured by
@peltzmadeline"

https://www.twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1324481449614024715

This is the man who Gove Mogg and Johnson met with to discuss strategy. Cummings as well.

This is the level the Tory party is at. 

[KillieRed]

Was only released out on bail two and half months ago or so, I believe.

Calling for the head of the FBI seems like a good idea for a guy in his position...

[12C]

Calling for the head of the FBI seems like a good idea for a guy in his position...

I can just see him now...
“Maybe if I let Bannon off, he will let me keep my head...”

Nah!
Bannon is a piece of racist fascist shit, he engineered Trump’s campaign by appealing to the fears of the ignorant.
Just like Johnson and Frottage, the racism is the key.

[lionel_messias]

Trump will concede.

It will be fascinating and one of the key moments of the century.

He may even weep.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Trump will concede.

It will be fascinating and one of the key moments of the century.

He may even weep.

I cannot see this happening. It is more likely that he will be dragged from the WH, kicking and screaming, come Jan. 20th. I just hope it streams in full technicolor and HD.

[Welshred]

He won't concede, he's taking this all the way to the Supreme Court

[Yorkykopite]

He won't concede, he's taking this all the way to the Supreme Court

He'd like to, but it'll never get there.

[Not that Gareth]

He won't concede, he's taking this all the way to the Supreme Court

He won't shut up for the next 3 months but when all is said and done his arse will be ejected come January 20. He still won't shut the fuck up then but at least we won't have to hear it and eventually the media will just ignore him.

[Chakan]

Trump will concede.

It will be fascinating and one of the key moments of the century.

He may even weep.

trump ... concede...

[Red Beret]

He wont concede, but it won't get to the supreme court either. His lawsuits have been little more than injunctions, and they have mostly failed through lack of evidence. He can't get the legal traction and it's clear he lacks the power base and support to try and steal it.

He will tell himself that he's been cheated, even if he can't prove it, because that's how he functions. It's his coping mechanism in the face of reality.

As I said, I won't be surprised to see the 25th come into play so a transition process can take place.

[12C]

He wont concede, but it won't get to the supreme court either. His lawsuits have been little more than injunctions, and they have mostly failed through lack of evidence. He can't get the legal traction and it's clear he lacks the power base and support to try and steal it.

He will tell himself that he's been cheated, even if he can't prove it, because that's how he functions. It's his coping mechanism in the face of reality.

As I said, I won't be surprised to see the 25th come into play so a transition process can take place.

I liked this  description of his lawsuits

“Tweets with filing fees”

[stoa]

Was only released out on bail two and half months ago or so, I believe.

Do we know if he's homeless? Because he certainly looks like it even more than before...

[Kekule]

Cast iron guarantee Trump refuses to attend Biden’s Inauguration and holds a rally somewhere instead.

...followed by a Twitter meltdown when everyone ignores it.

[wampa1]

Biden’s Inauguration

I wonder how they're gonna handle that given the Covid situation

[Red Beret]

I wonder how they're gonna handle that given the Covid situation

Biden's inauguration won't be focussed on crowd size, I'll guarantee that.  I actually expect a small, invitation only affair in the Capitol Building, where they can have robust security.  Given Trump's behaviour there's bound to be nutjobs gunning for the new President for a good couple of years.

[Sammy5IsAlive]

He'd like to, but it'll never get there.

If you believe Fox (I'm not an expert enough to comment but the Guardian seem to think the take is legit) it is already there

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-biden-election-supreme-court-john-yoo

Obviously potentially Biden wins enough elsewhere to make Penn irrelevant. But there is definitely scope for this to drag on.

[ChaChaMooMoo]

Biden's inauguration won't be focussed on crowd size, I'll guarantee that.

This is the smallest audience to ever witness inauguration. Period.

[Kekule]

I wonder how they're gonna handle that given the Covid situation

I imagine it’ll be fewer dignitaries and they’ll probably even tell people to stay away.  His supporters have been pretty sensible up till now so I don’t imagine they’ll be descending on mass if they’re told not to.

Biden doesn’t strike me as the sort of person who needs a massive crowd in attendance, he’s already got more votes than anyone in history. I don’t think he’ll be insecure about crowd size, even when Trump and his goons inevitably tweet about it.

[ShakaHislop]

Apologies if this has already been posted but I've just spotted this from last night.

U.S. Office of Special Counsel has opened an investigation into the Trump campaign's use of the White House for campaign-related activities to see if federal law has been violated.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1324490673777713153

[Andy_lfc]

Biden's inauguration won't be focussed on crowd size, I'll guarantee that.  I actually expect a small, invitation only affair in the Capitol Building, where they can have robust security.  Given Trump's behaviour there's bound to be nutjobs gunning for the new President for a good couple of years.

The US 'Deep State' have already installed a no fly zone around Wilmington, Delawere in preparation for Bidens victory speech and the start of his transition teams work.

As for the inauguration I think you are right and there is precedent - Ronald Reagan's inauguration was done inside the Rotunda with a very small select group of invited guests, so I would expect similar for Biden given the climate.  The reason for Reagan's was historically freezing temperatures and high winds, so was deemed unsafe for the crowd.

[Alan_X]

If you believe Fox (I'm not an expert enough to comment but the Guardian seem to think the take is legit) it is already there

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-biden-election-supreme-court-john-yoo

Obviously potentially Biden wins enough elsewhere to make Penn irrelevant. But there is definitely scope for this to drag on.

The case is based on a handful of mail in ballots received in Pennsylvania after polling day. It won't make any difference if the margin of victory is as expected.

[Jshooters]

The US 'Deep State' have already installed a no fly zone around Wilmington, Delawere in preparation for Bidens victory speech and the start of his transition teams work.

As for the inauguration I think you are right and there is precedent - Ronald Reagan's inauguration was done inside the Rotunda with a very small select group of invited guests, so I would expect similar for Biden given the climate.  The reason for Reagan's was historically freezing temperatures and high winds, so was deemed unsafe for the crowd.

This is going be a hell of a job

[BarryCrocker]

Cast iron guarantee Trump refuses to attend Biden’s Inauguration and holds a rally somewhere instead.

...followed by a Twitter meltdown when everyone ignores it.

Has a president ever refused to turn up at the inauguration of their successor?

[Buggy Eyes Alfredo]

I cannot see this happening. It is more likely that he will be dragged from the WH, kicking and screaming, come Jan. 20th. I just hope it streams in full technicolor and HD.

   

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHOpLEdhwwH

   

[Jiminy Cricket]

   

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHOpLEdhwwH

   

Thank you! I can but dream.

What I would really like to see is for Trump to be tossed out down the WH steps and for his bloated, rancid, fat ass to burst open an the bottom. His remains then vacuumed up by toxic waste disposal services, and subsequently pumped into a cesspit. All live streamed of course.

There must be a fair chance that Trump will need to be physically removed a la Assange. I might take up prayer.

[Son of Spion]

We can hope...

[stoa]

I wonder how they're gonna handle that given the Covid situation

They had those drive in rallys. Turn Florida into a big parking lot and have the inauguration there with people in their cars. Everyone wins...

[Sammy5IsAlive]

The case is based on a handful of mail in ballots received in Pennsylvania after polling day. It won't make any difference if the margin of victory is as expected.

Source for the 'handful' number? I think the extended deadline is only expiring tonight (I think they extended it for 3 days past the end of in-person polling) so surely they don't know yet how many there are.

More importantly I believe that the officials in Penn have said that they have not started counting the 'late' ballots. Given that Biden is ahead anyway on the 'on-time' ballots it shouldn't be of any consequence.

[bryanod]

Source for the 'handful' number? I think the extended deadline is only expiring tonight (I think they extended it for 3 days past the end of in-person polling) so surely they don't know yet how many there are.

More importantly I believe that the officials in Penn have said that they have not started counting the 'late' ballots. Given that Biden is ahead anyway on the 'on-time' ballots it shouldn't be of any consequence.

Believe SOS said expected 2-3000 yesterday. Art. General today said 1000s not tens of thousands.

Arizona will end up very close it's not miles from what needs to take lead.

Pittsburgh making an arse of counting last 36k last two days.

[Sammy5IsAlive]

Believe SOS said expected 2-3000 yesterday. Art. General today said 1000s not tens of thousands.

Arizona will end up very close it's not miles from what needs to take lead.

Pittsburgh making an arse of counting last 36k last two days.

Like I said - fortunately it looks like being immaterial. I'd still stand by my suggestion that given the margin that eventually decided the 2000 election, 'thousands' of votes are not a 'handful' either literally or figuratively.

[newterp]

Haha Mark meadows is Corona positive. Tell the hospital about voter fraud you asshole.

[rodderzzz]

Mark Meadows might just have finished off that administration with a bang!

[Zeb]

Olivia Nuzzi is saying the last rites on this presidency. May be a bit early yet but it's a good read. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/11/donald-trump-presidency-election-week.html

Spoiler

Donald Trump going out with a limp seems like an oxymoron,” a senior adviser to the president told me. In width and in word, in soaring skyscrapers and Brioni suits and arena rallies and various euphemisms for great (yuge, bigly), the man has been defined by and obsessed with largeness. His presidency is ending small.

Trump is guided by instinct on most days, but the final year of his presidency was marked by something unusual: He wasn’t sure what to believe or what to do anymore. At first he feared Joe Biden, then he thought he was a joke, and then the joke was on him. By the summer, Trump understood that he could lose. Surrounded by yes-men, he yearned, on occasion, for the truth they would not give him. “At one point, he said, ‘Well, how are all the polls wrong?’ ” the adviser recalled. And by Election Day, he understood that losing was inevitable. He accepted, even if he had no plans to concede, that his presidency was over.

Nevertheless, in the residence, surrounded by senior advisers and family, he was furious. About everything. He was angry things weren’t going his way. He was angry Fox had called Arizona for Biden. He was angry that Biden had gone out on TV first. Everyone was offering him different ideas about what to say to the nation, to fight or to be measured or to say this or that, contradicting each other as the president grew angrier and angrier, throwing up one hand to silence people as he reviewed notes in the other. He was unhappy with the notes. He was unhappy with everything. And then he went out and ignored everybody who had tried to help.

“As the day wore on, the day wore on him,” the adviser said. White House and campaign staff whispered among themselves. “ ‘Wow, he’s so down. He knows he’s losing.’ ” But uncertainty crept back by dawn. When he woke, the race still not called, and his mood changed. On a phone call with the adviser, he said, “Why would I lose to Joe Biden? What’s going on?” He launched a demand — “STOP THE COUNT!” — on Twitter, but he didn’t understand that if the vote count were to stop on Wednesday morning, he’d be handing Joe Biden the presidency.

The adviser asked if he was trying to say that votes cast illegally (something that happens rarely, despite Trump’s claims) should not be counted. “He said, ‘Yeah, yeah. That’s what I mean.’ ” People knew that by “stop the count,” he didn’t mean to literally stop the count, Trump said. “No,” the adviser told him, “people think you mean stop counting. If they stopped counting, you’d lose because you’re behind.” Oh. The president asked the adviser what to say instead. After consulting with the campaign’s lawyers, they settled on a message that claimed if the count was confined to legal votes only, he’d win, which put through the presidential tweet filter came out like this: “ANY VOTE THAT CAME IN AFTER ELECTION DAY WILL NOT BE COUNTED!” and “STOP THE FRAUD!”

Meanwhile, the campaign mounted half-assed legal fights in states they thought he still had a chance to win — not because they thought it would bring them the election but because there wasn’t much else to do but fight. The New York Times reported that the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, said he was looking for a James Baker–type figure. Instead, they got Rudy Giuliani, Pam Bondi, Corey Lewandowski, and Dave Bossie. “That’s not a legal team,” one of the president’s friends told me. “It’s all so bizarre.”

This person, who speaks to the president often — or, more accurately, who listens and says uh-huh as the president speaks — said that Trump is not just done for, but done. “He wants to lose. He’s out of money. He worries about being arrested. He worried about being assassinated,” they said. “It hasn’t been a great experience for him. He likes showing people around the White House, but the actual day-to-day business of being president? It’s been pretty unpleasant for him.”



Everyone processes loss in their own way.

“A lot of what Trump says is the opposite of what he means. That’s true of all of us, to some extent,” the president’s friend said. But when Trump said he didn’t mind losing to Biden, even though he famously hates losers of any ilk, his friend believed him. “He doesn’t believe losing is shameful — quitting is bad. Losing isn’t,” this person said. “He’s afraid. He’s the most insecure, afraid person ever. He’s too afraid to be president. He’s afraid to exercise power. He’s afraid to do the job. It’s why he’s overbearing and crazy — he sabotages himself constantly because he hates himself and wants out. He’s always trying to hurt himself. That guy commits more self-harm than anyone I’ve ever encountered.”

Former Trump adviser Sam Nunberg didn’t buy that Trump could ever be okay with losing, but he figured he’d find a way to cope. After all, the plan in 2015, before Trump formally announced his candidacy, had been to drop out of the race and return to The Apprentice claiming that he could’ve won if he’d wanted to (NBC inadvertently kept him on the campaign trail when they severed its relationship with him over his anti-immigrant comments). That’s not so different from how Trump is preparing to spin his real loss now. “In general, he hates losing. In general, is he gonna be happy? Do you think this is what he wants, to sit here as Joe Biden gives his acceptance speech? Absolutely not,” Nunberg said, “He lost to an idiot, and he’ll believe this whole thing was rigged and stolen.” The senior adviser said Trump’s talked about a plan to move to Mar-a-Lago full time instead of returning to Trump Tower.

In the weeks leading up to the election, certain White House officials and people close to the president were busy laying the groundwork for a post-Trump reputational and relationship recovery tour. Trump may be holding rallies and refusing to admit Biden is a legitimately elected president on prime-time Trump TV, but the anti-professional class of operators who assumed power on his coattails know that they’ll have to shape-shift if they want to survive. I received messages from multiple staffers who said they were counting down the days until freedom from the environment they entered, and stayed in, willingly. That they had so much to tell me now that it was too late to matter very much. That they were not the same as the others around them, the people who didn’t see the place, the presidency, for what it really was.

Others didn’t feel they had anything to explain or defend. “Don’t cry because it’s over. Smile because it happened,” a former White House official told me. “Live. Laugh. Love.” This person added, “Sometimes you own the libs; sometimes the libs own you.”

[close]

[John C]

By the time any re-counts and legal wrangling's are over and Trump finds himself facing a bleak and depressing few weeks, I suspect he'll resign for two reasons.

1) so Pence can pardon him and his cabal.

2) so he doesn't have to attend Biden's inauguration. There is no way he can face that, it's not in his dna to try to act dignified as a loser.

And once it is all over I'll open that locked thread discussing the legal issues he faces.

[No666]

Murdoch's financial interests may have been served by Trump but going forwards they are not going to be helped by uncertainty and a stockmarket crash. They're turning:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/07/rupert-murdoch-owned-us-outlets-turn-on-trump-urging-him-to-concede-with-grace

[John C]

Once he's out he's just another crank with no power base like Alex Jones.

No necessarily, there are still 70 million Trumpites out there. There's a possibility he'll still cast fear over many Republicans until the day a commission is created to look in to his crimes and mis-doings. At that point he should lose all influence.
And that commission could be created despite my claim above that he could be pardoned. Far too much has happened for it to be just ignored.