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Should we have a collection at the next home game at Anfield for poor, poor Rahim Sterling in case his earning potential is affected by this Manchester City debacle? 
It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.

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The argument that City are a financial healthy and well run club is daft. When you have these inflated sponsorship deals but neither the fans or actual finances to back it up, it makes the club a bit precarious. Should AD get bored with their plaything and sell it on, it would take incredible owners to keep the charade going. If they fail to get revenue fairly and organically, they could be in financial bother. That’s what FFP is getting at here. City aren’t spending beyond the owner’s means, but they are absolutely spending beyond the club’s means.

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Didn't the CAS publish documents from the case City brought against Uefa on 12 February? Looks like UEFA were waiting for that arbitration to conclude before announcing

They've got no chance escaping a ban then. Might be reduced but not by much.

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They've got no chance escaping a ban then. Might be reduced but not by much.

So only 1 season then ? That's the only option to reduce without escaping a ban

They will almost certainly be deducted points in the league as well. PL rules roughly mirror UEFA on FFP
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This guy on twitter is a QC/sports lawyer. He is saying the players and staff can argue that their terms have fundamentally altered and leave for free  :lmao

https://twitter.com/JohnMehrzadLaw/status/1228638217064341505

That would be too funny.


It won’t happen though...

But this is even more hilarious
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To the Tune of 'Bad Moon Rising' by the Creedence Clearwater Revival

I see a blue moon cry arsing
I see trouble on the way
I see potential fines and banning'
I see bad times today
Don't go 'round tonight
It's bound to take your life
There's a blue moon on the snide
I hear harry Kane's a-blowing
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I fear the Irwell over flowing
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Don't go 'round tonight
It's bound and take your life
There's a blue moon on the snide
Hope you got your things together
Hope you are quite prepared to die
Look's like your in for nasty weather
One eye is taken for an eye
Don't go 'round tonight
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Gary Lineker really is a prick.

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Weird how he still joined Everton knowing full well a ban was in place though.
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The only legitimate whinge Abu Dhabi fans can have is that UEFA aren't also giving that other shitarsed, plastic, dictator's sportwashing vehicle - PSG - a sharp six of the best and ban.
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I won't cry a single tear if they are banned because of where their money originates but to be honest, FFP might be the most Tory thing in the sport. All the currently rich clubs are trying to make sure it's almost impossible for any team to ever break in to the clique at the top end of the sport. I have no sympathy whatsoever for Man City because their owners are absolute c*nts, but FFP needs abolishing.

Sorry but that's bollocks, it doesn't stop a rich owner coming in and building up a club quite quickly, but it does mean that it can't be done instantaneously and should be done in a sustainable manner so that if said owner gets bored and fucks off that said club doesn't end up utterly fucked in the process, look at the areas where they are allowed to spend freely such as new stadiums, training facilities, all the stuff that would still be there and paid for if an owner left, it is the more transient spending on wages and transfer fees where there are the restrictions that ensure a club lives within it's means.


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I've had time to not only learn of Manchester City's ban, but reflect on it thoughtfully and sit down to
 compose my deepest thoughts on the matter:


Aaaaahhahahahhahahahhha the cheating fuckin melts hahahahahah aaaaaaaahhahahaha!

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Time for City to expose everything on everyone ! The whole game is bent ! Anthony Taylor reffing the Derby and saying he's an Alty fan ! We all know he isn't ! How many more lying bent refs out there ! All the bent Utd journos slating us every week ! The likes of Jim White and all the other Sky mob slandering our club from the second we got the money ! The owner will get bored , oil money , Arab money slander ! Go after them all !! Get the press box under siege ! Make the feckers scared to set foot in our stadium ! We have been cheated in the chumps league from day 1 . The attack on our bus brushed under the carpet ! Did we respond by doing it back ? No ! The Sterling VAR disallowed goal v Spurs because they knew we would win the lot !! I was there in division 3 so feck it the real blues will be there until they die ! Every blue now should back the club ! 100% . The elite cartel want us infighting ! They want Pep to leave , then all of our stars to leave ! Because a United are shit and Sky and all the other twats can't stand to see little City on top ! Did we win the domestic treble last year ? Or did I dream it !! We got no credit at all ! Or for the year before with 100 points and goals and all the other records we broke ! If that was United Sky TV would have made a Hollywood movie ! feck them all ! We are Man City and they can relegate us back to League 2 but we will still be there ! CTID

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So only 1 season then ? That's the only option to reduce without escaping a ban

They will almost certainly be deducted points in the league as well. PL rules roughly mirror UEFA on FFP

Yeah am thinking a 1-year ban and fines halved as well. But seriously though, is anyone bothered if the PL deduct them 10 points this year? We more than likely will be leading by 25 points by the end of today and they're likely to be banned from the CL next season anyway. So that's not really a punishment.  A suitable redress would be to have their titles stripped from them during the years they broke FFP (was it only 2012-2016 or later as well? Either way doesn't matter). Then start them off in the next 2 PL campaigns with a -10 to -15 point deficit. That would be fairer.

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Didn't the CAS publish documents from the case City brought against Uefa on 12 February? Looks like UEFA were waiting for that arbitration to conclude before announcing

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2020/feb/12/manchester-city-fury-ffp-case-leaks-court-documents-uefa-cas

Cas refused City’s appeal against the referral, ruling that an appeal cannot be made until a final decision by a governing body, and City could make all their arguments at the hearing before the adjudicatory chamber.
However the Cas panel of three lawyers described the media leaks as “worrisome” and questioned how Leterme “could be so confident” that they had not come from the CFCB. They ruled that even if a CFCB member had been responsible for a leak, that did not mean they had not been impartial when reaching the decision to charge City.
The AC was understood to have heard the charges last month, and a decision is awaited. If it finds City guilty of deceiving Uefa over its finances it has the power to ban them from the Champions League, as recommended by the IC.

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The statement by the club was really really odd.  It just wasn’t what you’d normally expect in that situation.

Reminds me of the Houston Astros recent press conference after being caught stealing signs. Pure arrogance.

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I doubt it will be reduced.  If e.g you falsified your income on your tax returns, you'd be fucked.  Knowing the fianancial might of Sheikh Mansour and the previous threats of litigation from Khaldoon Al Mubarak, I struggle to see UEFA not thorougly confimring their are no gaps before pressing this.  I also find that it's likely they asked Man City to prove it not true and they simply refused to help in any way. 

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Gary Lineker really is a prick.

https://twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/1228393034641006594


Weird how he still joined Everton knowing full well a ban was in place though.

Fucking hell. Shocked he's sinked to that depth. Loathsome comment.

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City get banned for cheating and the top football related trend on twitter is #Heysel. ::)

I’m beginning to sound like a tin foil hat type, but...

Twitter and Facebook are marketing tools. They exist to market stuff, and ideas.  Given that an independent research body found that something like 80% of UKIP/Brexit posts were from bots and or false accounts, spreading misinformation and lies, it is not a major leap to assume that a Multi Billion £ PR project like ADFC includes a large budget for social media manipulation.
Abu Dhabi see the City project as a way to wash their image, they are playing to the tribalism of football fans and are no doubt behind the smears and outrage. Certainly there are real city fans who believe the bullshit and spread it around (statman Gaz) but we need to be aware of what is happening. That Heysel is trending is proof of this. It is not credible that club with a limited appeal in its own city, with a small international fan base and internet presence (look at the number of hits their parade video got and compare it to ours) is able to generate enough traffic on Twitter to get that hashtag trending.  At worst it shows their PR people will stop at nothing to manage the reputation of a despotic regime.
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Fucking hell. Shocked he's sinked to that depth. Loathsome comment.

One of the main reasons why Heysel is trending on twitter today.
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Time for City to expose everything on everyone ! The whole game is bent ! Anthony Taylor reffing the Derby and saying he's an Alty fan ! We all know he isn't ! How many more lying bent refs out there ! All the bent Utd journos slating us every week ! The likes of Jim White and all the other Sky mob slandering our club from the second we got the money ! The owner will get bored , oil money , Arab money slander ! Go after them all !! Get the press box under siege ! Make the feckers scared to set foot in our stadium ! We have been cheated in the chumps league from day 1 . The attack on our bus brushed under the carpet ! Did we respond by doing it back ? No ! The Sterling VAR disallowed goal v Spurs because they knew we would win the lot !! I was there in division 3 so feck it the real blues will be there until they die ! Every blue now should back the club ! 100% . The elite cartel want us infighting ! They want Pep to leave , then all of our stars to leave ! Because a United are shit and Sky and all the other twats can't stand to see little City on top ! Did we win the domestic treble last year ? Or did I dream it !! We got no credit at all ! Or for the year before with 100 points and goals and all the other records we broke ! If that was United Sky TV would have made a Hollywood movie ! feck them all ! We are Man City and they can relegate us back to League 2 but we will still be there ! CTID


I wonder what his opinion is on Lee Mason reffing City v Liverpool in 2013/14. 
Or his opinion on City fans pelting the Man United bus with missiles a few years back.
Or his opinion on Sterling being called offside in that game whilst being 5 yards onside when they beat us 2-1 in 2013.
Or his opinion on all the articles from the likes of Martin Samuel and Stu Brennan defending City's cheating over the years.
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I’m beginning to sound like a tin foil hat type, but...

Twitter and Facebook are marketing tools. They exist to market stuff, and ideas.  Given that an independent research body found that something like 80% of UKIP/Brexit posts were from bots and or false accounts, spreading misinformation and lies, it is not a major leap to assume that a Multi Billion £ PR project like ADFC includes a large budget for social media manipulation.
Abu Dhabi see the City project as a way to wash their image, they are playing to the tribalism of football fans and are no doubt behind the smears and outrage. Certainly there are real city fans who believe the bullshit and spread it around (statman Gaz) but we need to be aware of what is happening. That Heysel is trending is proof of this. It is not credible that club with a limited appeal in its own city, with a small international fan base and internet presence (look at the number of hits their parade video got and compare it to ours) is able to generate enough traffic on Twitter to get that hashtag trending.  At worst it shows their PR people will stop at nothing to manage the reputation of a despotic regime.

Yeah, could see your point if it was only City fans tweeting it. But it isn't, it's all the LFC haters. Even Gary Lineker is at it.
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Tony Evans talking utter shite as usual.

‘I've always been wary about Financial Fair Play. There is an element of ringfencing elite clubs. City's spending has not threatened the future of the club. The problem is, once rules are put in place, everyone is obliged to play by them. City have been caught breaking those rules’

Why stick up for City?! They’ve quite clearly flouted their fucking rules and been arrogant enough to think they have enough money to avoid being caught or having to face any repercussions. Whether you agree with the law in the first place is fucking irrelevant.

Absolutely mental. Defending the indefensible.

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Stopped taking notice of anything Tony Evans says or tweets a long time ago.
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Wonder how this will affect team morale over at their pit?  Their players haven't "cheated" in the way they have played, or by match fixing; but they're well aware that a fair chunk of their wages comes via "off the book" sources.

Apart from the fact they should be very nervous about being investigated individually, they all know they probably wouldn't be there but for Abu Dhabi's billions.


As for AD selling up, I'm not sure how that would stack up.  It's clearly a loss making venture that will collapse immediately if the financial plug is pulled. 

And what about the hedge fund that paid out $500m for a 10% stake?  Their investment just took a hell of a battering.  They either knew about this and were okay with it, or got conned by the same books City passed to the Premier League and UEFA.  Either way no hedge fund likes financial scrutiny so this will invite some rather unpleasant attention for them.

Only way a sellup works is through a phased financial withdrawal, like getting off heroin.  Fire sale on players - we'd have to assume they'd be happy to take a pay cut if they can get out of the UK before the taxman starts lurking; gradual reduction of sponsorship money over, perhaps, five years.  Selling the club for a quid to whichever shark fancies breaking it up for a profit will shred the club to pieces.

It's little wonder their fans are going ape.  They nailed their colours to the mast a long time ago, and their deepest fear is a return to obscurity.  They'll be going Full Alamo - at least the online brigade will. 

It's just good that the PR offensive in this country about poor, picked on City wont affect the CAS judgement.  And if CAS finds against them, will this independent body that Abu Dhabi have pinned their hopes on suddenly become a racist, corrupt, agenda driven part of the conspiracy as well?
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Tony Evans talking utter shite as usual.

‘I've always been wary about Financial Fair Play. There is an element of ringfencing elite clubs. City's spending has not threatened the future of the club. The problem is, once rules are put in place, everyone is obliged to play by them. City have been caught breaking those rules’

Why stick up for City?! They’ve quite clearly flouted their fucking rules and been arrogant enough to think they have enough money to avoid being caught or having to face any repercussions. Whether you agree with the law in the first place is fucking irrelevant.

Absolutely mental. Defending the indefensible.

Surely it's incorrect to say it's not threatened City's future.

Just by taking away the CL money they'd be making losses as a club. But then take away the 55 odd million a year the owner was falsely topping up (leaving it as 8million a year for Etihad) and they'd be making huge losses. It'd be difficult for them to pay the purported wages (let alone the secondary top up wages from elsewhere)

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Tony Evans talking utter shite as usual.

‘I've always been wary about Financial Fair Play. There is an element of ringfencing elite clubs. City's spending has not threatened the future of the club. The problem is, once rules are put in place, everyone is obliged to play by them. City have been caught breaking those rules’

Why stick up for City?! They’ve quite clearly flouted their fucking rules and been arrogant enough to think they have enough money to avoid being caught or having to face any repercussions. Whether you agree with the law in the first place is fucking irrelevant.

Absolutely mental. Defending the indefensible.

You obviously missed this one from Tony then.

you can argue about FFP and whether it's the correct way to ensure a) competition or b) the long-term viability of clubs. But once rules are in place they should apply to everyone. You can't break them.
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You obviously missed this one from Tony then.

you can argue about FFP and whether it's the correct way to ensure a) competition or b) the long-term viability of clubs. But once rules are in place they should apply to everyone. You can't break them.

He's saying the same thing in both. Expect in the non-tweet he claims City's future isn't at peril despite their huge financial commitments

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You obviously missed this one from Tony then.

you can argue about FFP and whether it's the correct way to ensure a) competition or b) the long-term viability of clubs. But once rules are in place they should apply to everyone. You can't break them.
That's how I read it, too. If you sign up to the rules, play by them instead of trying to look for conspiracies where none exist when you are caught breaking them..
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Fucking hell. Shocked he's sinked to that depth. Loathsome comment.

Shown himself up to be a total c*nt there.
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You obviously missed this one from Tony then.

you can argue about FFP and whether it's the correct way to ensure a) competition or b) the long-term viability of clubs. But once rules are in place they should apply to everyone. You can't break them.

I didn’t miss it, he makes a similar point in the post I quoted.

But why even defend it? In any way? Why make the controversial point in the first place?

Manchester City have been funded by a sovereign state and cooked the fucking books which they’ve now thankfully been punished for. That’s it. End of conversation. His opinion on the rule is absolutely irrelevant.

It just smacks of him trying to please everyone.

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They can request a quick hearing before the end of the season. The problem is if CAS finds against them then City can appeal to the Swiss or European courts. That can take a lot of time...

Taking it out of the established procedures into regular courts would be an interesting risk for them, it'd establish a precedent for doing that to deal with a football dispute, rest of the PL could do that to them for loss of earnings from lower finishing positions in the league, money from playing in europe etc.

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Gary Lineker really is a prick.

https://twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/1228393034641006594


Weird how he still joined Everton knowing full well a ban was in place though.

Wow.

Always liked him but that opinion has immediately changed.

Fucking gobshite.

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Failing CAS, and the European Court, they'll take UEFA to the World Criminal Court in The Hague for fuck sakes.  ;D

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So when do HRM tax investigators roll up to investigate the club accounts & player contracts/pay?

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