Author Topic: Corners- why are we so poor at them? (Dates from 2005) (Read 75796 times)

bigbear · « **Reply #240 on:** December 3, 2007, 07:58:26 pm »

We have some good targets and should be a threat. It has been a bit better lately but Porto's defence wasn't the best albeit Torres really attacked the ball.

Gerrard's freekick was a beaut for Sami. Good movement and good delivery. I hope we are working like mad on them, I can't believe Rafa is not now he has things right defensively.

bono1712 · « **Reply #241 on:** December 3, 2007, 08:39:42 pm »

didn't we used to have a fazine called Another wasted corner?

howes hound · « **Reply #242 on:** December 4, 2007, 09:13:50 pm »

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didn't we used to have a fazine called Another wasted corner?

Apparently.

Our recent performance on corners and other set pieces is destroying a long-standing tradition. Used to be time to go to the fridge for another cold one.

Another Red · « **Reply #243 on:** December 5, 2007, 01:21:54 am »

Quote from: Ben Ayoun on December 3, 2007, 07:32:20 pm

Im pretty outraged by the fact we have scored three goals in last couple of games from corners

Descrase!

Disgraceful!

Gerrard is striking his corners, free kicks and penalties all beautifully at the moment. He's obviously been practicing. Keep it up sunshine!

stacato · « **Reply #244 on:** December 5, 2007, 01:43:27 am »

Ive seen Yossi getting ready to kick a corner when Stevie came rushing over demanding to hit it himself. The man just loves to do it, but Yossi, being shorter and a none heading threat of any kind should be kicking them . Rafa - take note!

hooded claw · « **Reply #245 on:** September 20, 2008, 04:53:18 pm »

Nothing's changed really, has it? Our set pieces are poor, frustratingly so, and even more so when you look at the quality in the team.

It needs an answer and I'm sure Rafa wants one too; but not being able to beat the first man, or to attack other set piece balls strongly enough, is a crucial weakness.

therockbox · « **Reply #246 on:** September 20, 2008, 04:55:40 pm »

A year after the last post in this thread and it's still as relevant as ever. Disgraceful.

Baraka · « **Reply #247 on:** September 20, 2008, 04:56:22 pm »

ye, how many corners did we have? over 20? WE've gotta be the worsed team in the prem with corners, for real.

alfonso · « **Reply #248 on:** September 20, 2008, 04:56:36 pm »

It's embarrassing at this level.

Franck Le Poof · « **Reply #249 on:** September 20, 2008, 04:56:36 pm »

19 corner kicks today was it? How many scares did we give them from that 19? Needs solving as that is what is the difference for so many other teams

The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society · « **Reply #250 on:** September 20, 2008, 04:57:48 pm »

Quote from: hooded claw on September 20, 2008, 04:53:18 pm

Nothing's changed really, has it? Our set pieces are poor, frustratingly so, and even more so when you look at the quality in the team.

Not really not when Gerrard insists on taking practically every fucking one of them. It's expected. Gerrard should be edge of the box or outside of the box everytime. That's what's frustrating. Get Dossena, Aurelio, Benayoun, Arbeloa, Babel to take them but not Gerrard. Leave him to the odd freekick and last minute heroics, that's what he's good at.

Operation Hennessey · « **Reply #251 on:** September 20, 2008, 04:57:50 pm »

Would have been a rout today if we were any kind of threat from corners given how many we had.

king sjjj · « **Reply #252 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:00:12 pm »

Did not look dangerous at one corner. Pathetic

GBF · « **Reply #253 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:01:50 pm »

we dont attack corners....we sit and wait for the ball to come on the head....its all part of "not causing a foul" thing

danuttah · « **Reply #254 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:04:13 pm »

Could our poor return with corners going forward be linked in with our zonal marking at the back. A long shot I know, however, when we practice corners, maybe we only do it against defenders playing zonally....at hence, when we come up against man to man, we are pointless....

Garstonite · « **Reply #255 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:04:42 pm »

When their line-up is like the land of the fucking giants, we are not going to score a goal from a corner without clever movement and a bit of balls being able to attack the ball. Neither of these, along with the fact our deliveries are fucking pathetic, equate to the conclusion that I am not fucking surprised in the slightest. I love Rafa, but for fucks sake, five years now is it? You'd think he'd have a word in Stevie's ear and say 'listen amigo, you're fucking shite on dead-ball situations, stop insisting you take them'.

Guz-kop · « **Reply #256 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:16:40 pm »

Quote from: The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society on September 20, 2008, 04:57:48 pm

Not really not when Gerrard insists on taking practically every fucking one of them. It's expected. Gerrard should be edge of the box or outside of the box everytime. That's what's frustrating. Get Dossena, Aurelio, Benayoun, Arbeloa, Babel to take them but not Gerrard. Leave him to the odd freekick and last minute heroics, that's what he's good at.

Rieira, Alonso and Arbeloa all took corners and they were all mostly shite. Dossena's crossing was mostly gash aswell.

BCCC · « **Reply #257 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:17:30 pm »

Our corners are just symptomatic of our style of play against the lesser teams. We never threaten from them and we lack creativity. We shouldn't rely on set pieces to win games but our return should be far better than it is. How difficult is it to spend some time working on them on the practice pitch?

Cochise · « **Reply #258 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:19:39 pm »

Does Gerrard have it in his contract to take 95% of all corners we have?

Cruiser · « **Reply #259 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:21:09 pm »

I don't know what the fuck they're getting up to at Melwood but fuck sake, start practicing corners religiously like Mourinho's Chelsea did.

Right now we have no set piece strategy. Its the same shit every season, we win a corner, Gerrard walks up to the spot and takes the ball from whoever has it. Result? Wasted corner. Where the fuck is the strategy? Certainly Alonso whips in a good one, so too does Aurelio. Reira and Benyoun probably can too. Get the big guys like Skrtel and Carra to attack the corner, just as Terry, Carvalho, Ferdinand and Vidic do, yet we seem so clueless.

Sort it out.

BazC · « **Reply #260 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:23:12 pm »

Thought Gerrard took less than normal today

Alonso, Riera, Arbeloa and I think Kuyt took a lot of them. They were mostly shite. And any half decent ones weren't even attacked so there's no chance of a break there. Same with crossing- we'd put together a decent passage of passing the ball, get to the areas to cross, and it'd end up in the fucking Kop or Anny Road. Bollocks to that.

Brentieke · « **Reply #261 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:24:26 pm »

Quote from: Garstonite on September 20, 2008, 05:04:42 pm

When their line-up is like the land of the fucking giants, we are not going to score a goal from a corner without clever movement and a bit of balls being able to attack the ball. Neither of these, along with the fact our deliveries are fucking pathetic, equate to the conclusion that I am not fucking surprised in the slightest. I love Rafa, but for fucks sake, five years now is it? You'd think he'd have a word in Stevie's ear and say 'listen amigo, you're fucking shite on dead-ball situations, stop insisting you take them'.

Agreed but it's not just Stevie.

Today from what I remember, Dossena, Riera, Alonso and even fucken Arbeloa had a go and I cant remember a single dangerous corner we had.

After 5 years it is unnaceptable for us to be so fucking shit at corners, really is. For a man who apparently has so much attention to detail it amazes me that Rafa has not addressed this part of our game.

kasperoff · « **Reply #262 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:25:20 pm »

If we spend any time at all in training on attacking corners, then we may as well give it up as a bad job and spend the time on something else. We couldn't be any worse at them if we just sent 7 players into the box and told them to do whatever the hell they wanted. In fact, I reckon that would yield a better return.

Honestly, what are they told to do? Just stand like fucking statues and hope that the ball lands on them? No movement at all. Criminal waste today.

Need to watch some videos of Les Ferdinand and Alan Shearer.

dgoh · « **Reply #263 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:30:00 pm »

Our best chances came from cutting in from the flank, which is why i don't understand why we keep whipping crosses in, and not finding anybody at all, or usually finding someone on the kop.

Riera looked bad at crossing too, hit quite a few poor ones today.

WRX · « **Reply #264 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:31:07 pm »

I thought we used zonal marking for defending corners...seems we also use zonal positioning for attacking corners....

Ah well...............better get used to it....seems corners are not a priority of rafa....not making the opposition play is...

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #265 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:31:35 pm »

There are three basic flaws in our corner strategy that we desperately need to work on

1) The delivery is consistently average or sub-par
2) There aren't enough players put into the box
3) Hyypia aside, not many of our players try attacking the ball in the box.

dgoh · « **Reply #266 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:32:54 pm »

Quote from: WRX on September 20, 2008, 05:31:07 pm

I thought we used zonal marking for defending corners...seems we also use zonal positioning for attacking corners....

Ah well...............better get used to it....seems corners are not a priority of rafa....not making the opposition play is...

Well at least we met 1 of the objectives today. The opposition certainly didn't played, was wondering if gerrard and co. was tired running to the end of the pitch for all the corners.

5starsnowy · « **Reply #267 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:32:57 pm »

We shouldnt have got rid of crouchy.

BCCC · « **Reply #268 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:42:22 pm »

Quote from: 5starsnowy on September 20, 2008, 05:32:57 pm

We shouldnt have got rid of crouchy.

We didn't, he wanted to leave and wouldn't sign a new contract.

buzzing · « **Reply #269 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:51:43 pm »

what would he have done. He is prob the last person you'd want at the end of a corner......would help if it beat the first man

Crackerjack Sam · « **Reply #270 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:53:32 pm »

near post corners are crap. corners have to be delivered with more conviction.

itsgunnabebarnes! · « **Reply #271 on:** September 20, 2008, 06:00:37 pm »

id rather they just float the ball in and let it be attacked. currently 50% dont get past the near post.

Spanish Fan · « **Reply #272 on:** September 20, 2008, 06:03:01 pm »

Maybe two center backs who can head or shoot the ball would help. Hyypia and Agger?

farawayred · « **Reply #273 on:** September 20, 2008, 06:18:25 pm »

Quote from: Andy G on January 26, 2005, 08:38:04 am

We dominated Europe by being shit at corners. Lets hope we can do that again.

... But we'll never win the PL without them. Corners and set pieces in general are a big part of the English game. They are not so revered in Spain and Italy, where people score pretty looking skillful goals, which will never go in in England.

TrueYorkshireRed · « **Reply #274 on:** September 20, 2008, 06:40:16 pm »

I have no idea why Gerrard insists on taking our corners...its the one thing he cant do with a football...plus there is no better player in the world at sitting on the edge of the D waiting for any knockdowns and smashing them into the back of the net.

We either take silly short corners that come to nothing or they dont clear the front man or theyre floated to the back stick where theyre easy to deal with for the defence.

We look far better from corners when Gerrard isnt on and someone else takes them.

For me it should be Alonso, Fab, or Beny taking them, I think Keane used to take them at Spurs even...anyone but Gerrard really, so he can sit on the edge of the box and score more goals like the one he scored for England against Germany.

G1 Jockey 4(betfair) · « **Reply #275 on:** September 20, 2008, 06:41:11 pm »

alonso and gerarrd are sh1t at corners and should be practising them every day imo

Degs · « **Reply #276 on:** September 20, 2008, 06:43:00 pm »

Too static in the area.

You watch the likes fo Skrtel for Slovakia and he moves about in the area and attacks the ball and scores headers.
(5 goals in 27 matches).

Then you watch us and we're as static as we are when we defend corners.

It's as if we play "zonal attacking" if you get my drift, on our corners.
Rather than rushing into the box, attacking the ball, finding space, the people in the area find a space, stick with it, and hope it goes in.

There is no pressure on the defenders to be aware of movement and threats in the box because there isn't any.
"Pick a man, stay with him" and you'll clear the Liverpool set piece.

Alternatively we play the God awful short corner.
Which goes; short ball, defender rushes to ball, hastily taken cross that is picked out by the keeper because there is no pressure on him, or headed out by the man with all the space in the world.

We've finally managed to beat the first man on our deliveries and we find static players not attacking the ball.

Subbuteo corners.

tezmac · « **Reply #277 on:** September 20, 2008, 06:52:35 pm »

For me Gerrard takes piss poor corners,no variation and to few body's in the box and too little movement

Degs · « **Reply #278 on:** September 20, 2008, 06:57:52 pm »

Quote from: tezmac on September 20, 2008, 06:52:35 pm

For me Gerrard takes piss poor corners,no variation and to few body's in the box and too little movement

Today we had Riera, Alonso and I think Dossena took one as well as well as Gerrard.

So we have enough variation and enough get into the box.

I don't like Stevie taking them because he should be on the edge of the box waiting for a rebound. Like against Olympiakos.

vader90 · « **Reply #279 on:** September 20, 2008, 07:05:50 pm »

It started in jan 2005 and is still running strong. Shows some problem doesn't it?