Topic: Exactly what kind of owners would you prefer?

[hooded claw]

Because you're a big Kylie fan?

Tart

[woof]

Since we are talking about finding the right INVESTOR, we have to acknowledge that the club is now a business. It's been that way since Morgan sold the club. However, I don't mind to look at it from a business perspective. Liverpool Football Club can be run successfully like a good business and if done correctly, in theory, should satisfy everyone - both the investor and the supporters.

It should be noted that anyone buying LFC should see this as a medium to long-term investment. It's not about spending a lot of money for no result. Everyone must be held accountable. The club must be given a reasonable amount of time is given to accomplish a set of goals within a set budget.

[GoldenAgger]

I said this today.

No sugardaddies.  We have too much history and pride to buy anything.

1. Eliminate debt
2. Build the stadium
3. Involve fans

Ideally I want shareliverpoolFC. 

[BazC]

Why not? City owner like would be nice i would of thought lol.

It's too easy. If I had £300m to spend every transfer window I honestly reckon I could win a trophy. It invites plastic flag waving (flags which you've paid for) fans. It erodes the culture and personality of the club (something the fans who were at this club 20+ years ago moan about now).

And every single success would be hollow. If you win something it'd be like "yeah brilliant" but it'd be nothing, NOTHING, like successes like Istanbul, because it'd be 100% expected. If you win, then you've not done anything special. Which means that the position you put yourself in is just one where anything out of the ordinary would be to lose. The fans are on Rafa's back as it is, despite what he's done for the club. It'd be a fickle, fickle business.

Billionaire owners who pump endless amounts into the club? No thanks!

[WelshKopite]

It's too easy. If I had £300m to spend every transfer window I honestly reckon I could win a trophy. It invites plastic flag waving (flags which you've paid for) fans. It erodes the culture and personality of the club (something the fans who were at this club 20+ years ago moan about now).

And every single success would be hollow. If you win something it'd be like "yeah brilliant" but it'd be nothing, NOTHING, like successes like Istanbul, because it'd be 100% expected. If you win, then you've not done anything special. Which means that the position you put yourself in is just one where anything out of the ordinary would be to lose. The fans are on Rafa's back as it is, despite what he's done for the club. It'd be a fickle, fickle business.

Billionaire owners who pump endless amounts into the club? No thanks!

Baz,

I understand and agree with what you're saying mate, but for Rafa to win this league on a minimal budget will be tough. I'm not saying it's unachievable but we have to be realistic as well.

Even Rafa has said many times that his hands are tied, and players he's wanted haven't been bought because of financial constraints and lies.

We were all screaming for David Silva in the summer, but he would have cost an excess of 20mil, and then we purchase Jovanivic who is a free transfer and the manager gets some flack.

Its a tough scenario and I understand your point, but I'm a Liverpool fan of over 25 years myself, and I certainly dont want it easy, but I would like us to get the players the manager wants, and more than likely, they will cost a lot of money.

[jaymc]

One who builds a new ground quickly. with a good mix of corporate and normal seating.

The owner would then rip off the corporate fans, and use the extra revanue created not only on the team, but to lower ticket prices for normal spectators, thus rewarding their loyal support over the years, and making the club more accesible to the local community and those on a lower income. He/she would introduce child tickets for all areas of the ground and you would be able to buy tickets at the window with cash for league games. Fair allocations for finals would be given to fans.

They wouldn't debt us up to the eyeballs either, and plough majority of profits back into the team and community projects.

[Carlito Roberto]

I want an owner who can clear the debt, help finance a new stadium and back the manager in the transfer market allowing us to bring fantastic players to our football club.

One last thing...after campaigning for 3 years to get rid of skint owners who have nearly bankrupted the club, the fashionable thing to say now appears to be we'd like any prospective new owners not to be wealthy.

[CHOPPER]

Tart

I wish I hadn't mentioned it now. I've got that song rattling around in my head.

must.stop.thinking.of."Woooooooooooooh Say you won't leave me no more....   


The shame of knowing them words.

[BazC]

Baz,

I understand and agree with what you're saying mate, but for Rafa to win this league on a minimal budget will be tough. I'm not saying it's unachievable but we have to be realistic as well.

Even Rafa has said many times that his hands are tied, and players he's wanted haven't been bought because of financial constraints and lies.

We were all screaming for David Silva in the summer, but he would have cost an excess of 20mil, and then we purchase Jovanivic who is a free transfer and the manager gets some flack.

Its a tough scenario and I understand your point, but I'm a Liverpool fan of over 25 years myself, and I certainly dont want it easy, but I would like us to get the players the manager wants, and more than likely, they will cost a lot of money.

I'm not talking about a minimal budget mate. Just one which would be realistic for the club to support. Real Madrid, Man City, Chelsea... they've spent shiteloads, and it stinks in my opinion. It's all to easy for a billionaire owner to write off £500m worth of debt and turn it into equity, or spend stupid amounts on mercenary players.

At the end of the day, Liverpool FC should operate as a sustainable business. The money it spends should be recouped from its income.

Initially, the owners WILL need to put in a lot of money- hundreds of millions to support the initial investment we need for the stadium and new players. But after that, the club should pay its way in order to ensure financial stability. The initial investment would need to be planned in such a way that it can be supported.

I don't think the measures will place massive constraints on the club, because it's a club with lots of potential. We're one of the greatest institutions in world football, we've got one of the best managers in the world, a set of talented players at the core of the team, a growing revenue stream with potential for much greater growth with a new stadium.

It's not like we'd be starting off from a Man City or Chelsea position anyway- there's far greater potential at our club than those plastic flag waving bastards had at their clubs before the many hundreds of millions poured in.

Not only do I not want us to go down the billionaire playground route, but I don't think we need to either.

[WelshKopite]

I'm not talking about a minimal budget mate. Just one which would be realistic for the club to support. Real Madrid, Man City, Chelsea... they've spent shiteloads, and it stinks in my opinion. It's all to easy for a billionaire owner to write off £500m worth of debt and turn it into equity, or spend stupid amounts on mercenary players.

At the end of the day, Liverpool FC should operate as a sustainable business. The money it spends should be recouped from its income.

Initially, the owners WILL need to put in a lot of money- hundreds of millions to support the initial investment we need for the stadium and new players. But after that, the club should pay its way in order to ensure financial stability. The initial investment would need to be planned in such a way that it can be supported.

I don't think the measures will place massive constraints on the club, because it's a club with lots of potential. We're one of the greatest institutions in world football, we've got one of the best managers in the world, a set of talented players at the core of the team, a growing revenue stream with potential for much greater growth with a new stadium.

It's not like we'd be starting off from a Man City or Chelsea position anyway- there's far greater potential at our club than those plastic flag waving bastards had at their clubs before the many hundreds of millions poured in.

Not only do I not want us to go down the billionaire playground route, but I don't think we need to either.

Fair play, top post. I get your point.

Onwards and upwards hopefully man - cheers.

[Ginamos]

I'd like the Queen to buy us

 - We could be the national club that all Ingurland supporters would have to follow

 - She could rename us Royal Liverpool

[OohCampione]

A blonde with big tits.

Who the fuck would want to buy a footy team?

The two arseholes we have thought they were gonna make a killing, but the recession and their poor management skills have put us in our worst situation in years.

Our membership are a right narky lot with views all over the place, a nasty temperament and a very thin seam of patience.

Logic says that a bloke with that much money should have more sense than to flush it down a rathole paying overpriced players and managers and dealing with other arseholes at the FA & FIFA.

We'll be lucky........ I say we'll be lucky.

That's so bad.

Only compounded by the fact that I find myself agreeing with it!

[Skeeve]

I hope we get somebody who can clear the debts, get the stadium built and provide the manager with a transfer budget while the stadium is being built i.e. what the yanks were supposed to do when they took over. It doesn't need to be somebody who will throw money at transfers as a properly run team won't need a massive overhaul each season anyway, just a couple of quality signings a year.

[chanti]

Any owner that is not scared to play 10m pounds for a young talent plus a kitty of 60m per year

[Cid]

I'm not talking about a minimal budget mate. Just one which would be realistic for the club to support. Real Madrid, Man City, Chelsea... they've spent shiteloads, and it stinks in my opinion. It's all to easy for a billionaire owner to write off £500m worth of debt and turn it into equity, or spend stupid amounts on mercenary players.

At the end of the day, Liverpool FC should operate as a sustainable business. The money it spends should be recouped from its income.

Initially, the owners WILL need to put in a lot of money- hundreds of millions to support the initial investment we need for the stadium and new players. But after that, the club should pay its way in order to ensure financial stability. The initial investment would need to be planned in such a way that it can be supported.

I don't think the measures will place massive constraints on the club, because it's a club with lots of potential. We're one of the greatest institutions in world football, we've got one of the best managers in the world, a set of talented players at the core of the team, a growing revenue stream with potential for much greater growth with a new stadium.

It's not like we'd be starting off from a Man City or Chelsea position anyway- there's far greater potential at our club than those plastic flag waving bastards had at their clubs before the many hundreds of millions poured in.

Not only do I not want us to go down the billionaire playground route, but I don't think we need to either.

To write off the debt, fund a stadium and buy the players we need, we're talking a ridiculous sum of money.  We need a moneybags owner to do those 3 things, even if they don't splash the cash in subsequent seasons (and they wouldnt need to since the value of the players bought would stay in the squad until sold).

I want to see this, ideally:

New stadium started
Debt Written off
The 2 Davids bought.

[jambutty]

One who builds a new ground quickly. with a good mix of corporate and normal seating.

The owner would then rip off the corporate fans, and use the extra revanue created not only on the team, but to lower ticket prices for normal spectators, thus rewarding their loyal support over the years, and making the club more accesible to the local community and those on a lower income. He/she would introduce child tickets for all areas of the ground and you would be able to buy tickets at the window with cash for league games. Fair allocations for finals would be given to fans.

They wouldn't debt us up to the eyeballs either, and plough majority of profits back into the team and community projects.

Either start writing fairy tales or put the crack pipe down.

[Old No7]

Honest owners will do for me.

Sugar daddy who is going to build us a new satdium and invest millions in the team is not going to happen. I am quite prepared that anyone who comes in may be looking to make money from their investment in the long run.

Just tell us that up front and do what you promise!

[damian]

I wish I hadn't mentioned it now. I've got that song rattling around in my head.

must.stop.thinking.of."Woooooooooooooh Say you won't leave me no more....   


The shame of knowing them words.

Would it help if I told you steps did a cover of it? You can then get that version stuck in your head instead.

[Yakyb]

hard one really

in trying to be marginally realistic

someone who can knock the debt down to ~£100m with a plan to reduce to 0 over 3 yrs

who can give rafa £30m - £50m upfront for this summer

spade in the ground for November this year. 

good stadium sponsorship deal with agreed naming for something relevant to our history

probably looking at somewhere near £400 - £450m for this over the next 6 months (including purchase of club -£100m of debt still intact)


following that it would be nice that Rafa was guaranteed minimum £10M net transfer fee + any operating profit / competition winnings for the following season

[Manila Vanilla]

A blonde with big tits.

Who the fuck would want to buy a footy team?

The two arseholes we have thought they were gonna make a killing, but the recession and their poor management skills have put us in our worst situation in years.

Our membership are a right narky lot with views all over the place, a nasty temperament and a very thin seam of patience.

Logic says that a bloke with that much money should have more sense than to flush it down a rathole paying overpriced players and managers and dealing with other arseholes at the FA & FIFA.

By far the best answer!

It's Catch 22. We want a sensible owner - but anybody dumb enough to fritter away stupid money on something as frivolous as a football club needs his head tested.

We had a sugar daddy before. It's just that he wasn't a rich enough one. Loved the club, didn't expect a return on his investment and was scared of putting it in jeopardy by borrowing money it may not have been able to repay.

Doesn't necessarily have to be blonde though.....

[kopside]

How on earth can we compete without a sugar daddy??

[whtwht]

someone sensible to make the best desicions for Liverpool football  club. Clear the debt , stadium , improving 1st team 

Wouldnt mind a  Sugar daddio though.....

[blert596]

hard one really

in trying to be marginally realistic

someone who can knock the debt down to ~£100m with a plan to reduce to 0 over 3 yrs

who can give rafa £30m - £50m upfront for this summer

spade in the ground for November this year. 

good stadium sponsorship deal with agreed naming for something relevant to our history

probably looking at somewhere near £400 - £450m for this over the next 6 months (including purchase of club -£100m of debt still intact)


following that it would be nice that Rafa was guaranteed minimum £10M net transfer fee + any operating profit / competition winnings for the following season

More or less what i said....without the owner being big titted bird in a purple top

[BazC]

How on earth can we compete without a sugar daddy??

The same way the Mancs and Arsenal have put in title wins/challenges. The Mancs have won in Europe as well. WE challenged last season.

If football's going to turn into a playground for the ultra-rich, then that's probably going to be me done with watching it for anything but an alternative to other forms of 'entertainment'.

It won't though. I'm sure sooner or later, the bubble will burst. We have to make sure we're not in the firing line when it happens, and that we can be successful in that situation rather than fear for our survival.

[AndyInVA]

A scouser

Mega rich

One who buys the club as a side line to have fun with and not as as part of a business operation

Paul McCartney

anyone .....  anyone .... 

is this thing on .......

[redbyrdz]

I'd like the Queen to buy us

 - We could be the national club that all Ingurland supporters would have to follow

- She could rename us Royal Liverpool

the way our injuries are going we should be called that already.

[Twelfth Man]

It's too easy. If I had £300m to spend every transfer window I honestly reckon I could win a trophy. It invites plastic flag waving (flags which you've paid for) fans. It erodes the culture and personality of the club (something the fans who were at this club 20+ years ago moan about now).

And every single success would be hollow. If you win something it'd be like "yeah brilliant" but it'd be nothing, NOTHING, like successes like Istanbul, because it'd be 100% expected. If you win, then you've not done anything special. Which means that the position you put yourself in is just one where anything out of the ordinary would be to lose. The fans are on Rafa's back as it is, despite what he's done for the club. It'd be a fickle, fickle business.

Billionaire owners who pump endless amounts into the club? No thanks!

Spot on! Feel very very strongly about this. Our club should not lose sight of its history by going for cheap here today gone tomorrow success.

[jambutty]

The same way the Mancs and Arsenal have put in title wins/challenges. The Mancs have won in Europe as well. WE challenged last season.

If football's going to turn into a playground for the ultra-rich, then that's probably going to be me done with watching it for anything but an alternative to other forms of 'entertainment'.

It won't though. I'm sure sooner or later, the bubble will burst. We have to make sure we're not in the firing line when it happens, and that we can be successful in that situation rather than fear for our survival.

They're both in big market cities.

A scouser

Mega rich

One who buys the club as a side line to have fun with and not as as part of a business operation

Paul McCartney

He's the only one we've got and he'd be an idiot to do it.

[AndyInVA]

They're both in big market cities.
He's the only one we've got and he'd be an idiot to do it.

Ringo Starr,  isnt he an idiot

[jambutty]

Ringo Starr,  isnt he an idiot

A sweet guy.  But still on tour.  He needs the bread, man.

[SP]

Kenny after finding a billion quid down the back of the sofa.

[ScouserAtHeart]

sugar daddie and dont interfere in the team selection

This.

[Alan_X]

Ideally us, with a sensible financial model to make it work.

If not then:

You're joking surely. Turn Liverpool Football Club over to an egotistical "me-me-me" type who has no interest in football?

[Vulmea]

Having read through the thread I'm wondering whether there's a correlation between those who are happy to be a billionaires play thing and those who have been whining all season about Rafa - is it all just about gratification, now now now for these people, let somebody else pay for them?

the idea that Liverpool's 12th man is some sugar daddy billionaire owner is fuckin obscene

Liverpool needs to be run as a business but as a cooperative business were the money made goes back to the club and its community - it wont be because the bloke they've put in charge sounds like a thatcherite twat - the irony is staggering.

Liverpool is crying out for an identity something which lifts it above the norm above the branding and 'big business' of the premiership - above the corporate shysters and money grabbing suits - something unique

There is only one solution and that is fan ownership - the type they have at unsuccessful clubs like Barcelona and Bayern Munich - the problem is we no longer have a fan base with the originality and passion we did 50 years ago which turned us into a great club we have tossers who want some 'White Knight' to come riding over the hill to save them - we've already had the U.S. Cavalry charging to teh rescue bugles blaring and a right shower of shite they turned out to be - and still 'fans' hide behind the its all too difficult for poor litttle us mentality - cowards and unfortunately we'll all get what they deserve.

the ideal owner right now is somebody who can stabilise the situation get rid of the two leeches and then work with us to make fan ownership a reality  that person doesn't necessarily have to be a saint - they could build the stadium and take a massive slice of the profits it will generate when Liverpool becomes the institution it should be - we are already one of the 4 largest clubs in the world the potential is staggering - what it needs is somebody to harness that and make it work - so its somebody with vision , with drive and yes with the money to make that work

[jambutty]

they could build the stadium and take a massive slice of the profits it will generate when Liverpool becomes the institution it should be

Is there anything to indicate any of the proposed business plans are feasible ?

Yeah we draw well, but not like the big markets.

Was at Yankee Stadium last night in their Audi Club.  Fabulous buffet, lobster, carvery, desserts, Club seats, free drinks, great view.   Unbelievable.  Sold out venue.

Same is /will be true at the new Meadowlands Stadium for the Giants & Jets, Mets.

London Clubs and other corporate cities have loads of the uber rich flash that Liverpool doesn't.

We're a big Club in a small, working class city slow to recover from a recession.   Not a great deal to be had when it comes to return on investment imo.

[Gus the teenage cow]

rich and stupid please

[Alan_X]

rich and stupid please

Owners, not women...

[Juan Loco]

You're joking surely. Turn Liverpool Football Club over to an egotistical "me-me-me" type who has no interest in football?

Meh, plenty seem happy to shunt out a good man for that in Mourinho. ... Only difference is he has an interest in football. It' s a good platform to fuel his ego.

[Gromit]

the idea that Liverpool's 12th man is some sugar daddy billionaire owner is fuckin obscene

A few years ago I would've agreed, but now you see the kind of money chelsea, inter, man city and real spend you realise it would only put us on an even footing with them.  I haven't got a problem with a rich owner helping us out, even before city and chelsea you had people like Boro's owner Steve Gibson pumping millions into his team to get them players like Juninho and Ravanelli.  As long as they stay out of the football side I'm fine with it, we've had a couple of years of negative spending and I'd rather Rafa had cash to spend rather than being forced to sell-to-buy.

[Solomon Grundy]

Legend!!!