Author Topic: Trent Alexander-Arnold (Read 1390545 times)

killer-heels · « **Reply #1240 on:** February 8, 2018, 06:10:50 pm »

Quote from: JackWard33 on February 8, 2018, 03:21:00 pm

Totally - he has some exciting qualities for sure.
I think what happens is people forget how unlikely it is that a 18/19 year old becomes good enough to play for a top 4 side.
I hope he makes it, he's got a lot of talent, great story as I said

Hopefully he keeps progressing. Every year since he has come through he has gotten better. At this moment I would be more concerned with Woodburn making it than Trent.

groove · « **Reply #1241 on:** February 8, 2018, 07:43:56 pm »

Jack - just to turn what you said slightly - it's unlikely that an 18/19 year old even gets regular starts for top 4 clubs these days. As top level football demands more and more physically it pushes the peak of footballers to a 24-28 sort of band. Teenagers can't compete in the same way they might have done when say Owen and Fowler came through in the 90s. To me it's a great sign for Trent that he is getting regular starts despite footballers his age being trusted less and less at this level.

nayia2002 · « **Reply #1242 on:** February 8, 2018, 07:53:03 pm »

He's been impressive this season.
Long it may continue.

Asam · « **Reply #1243 on:** February 8, 2018, 11:22:04 pm »

Quote from: groove on February 8, 2018, 07:43:56 pm

Jack - just to turn what you said slightly - it's unlikely that an 18/19 year old even gets regular starts for top 4 clubs these days. As top level football demands more and more physically it pushes the peak of footballers to a 24-28 sort of band. Teenagers can't compete in the same way they might have done when say Owen and Fowler came through in the 90s. To me it's a great sign for Trent that he is getting regular starts despite footballers his age being trusted less and less at this level.

As an athlete he’s an incredible specimen, will be just about unstoppable in a few years once he fills out a bit

Redcap · « **Reply #1244 on:** February 8, 2018, 11:50:26 pm »

Quote from: a treeless whopper on February 8, 2018, 06:10:50 pm

Hopefully he keeps progressing. Every year since he has come through he has gotten better. At this moment I would be more concerned with Woodburn making it than Trent.

Way more. Trent has made it. He's played most of a season for us. The test for him is to kick on and play a second and then a third season for us.

That's not to say Ben won't make it. It's very early days, but one has made it and the other hasn't (yet).

Quote from: redmark on February 8, 2018, 03:41:50 pm

I don't see the urge to turn him into a midfielder. His defensive abilities are/will be fine in the context of what a modern fullback is expected to do.

If we can't make use of a super athlete with literally the best cross in the team as a fullback, we are doing something seriously wrong.

Keith Lard · « **Reply #1245 on:** February 9, 2018, 12:15:24 am »

Something tells me Trent is soon going to be our first choice right back. He had a brilliant game against Spurs. Feels so great to have a young scouser in the team with truly world class potential.

JackWard33 · « **Reply #1246 on:** February 9, 2018, 12:56:02 am »

Quote from: groove on February 8, 2018, 07:43:56 pm

Jack - just to turn what you said slightly - it's unlikely that an 18/19 year old even gets regular starts for top 4 clubs these days. As top level football demands more and more physically it pushes the peak of footballers to a 24-28 sort of band. Teenagers can't compete in the same way they might have done when say Owen and Fowler came through in the 90s. To me it's a great sign for Trent that he is getting regular starts despite footballers his age being trusted less and less at this level.

Yeah yeah I totally agree
There's 2 different things 1) is he on course to be a very good player? - yeah he is - getting minutes in a top 4 team at his age is super rare 2) is he at the level today where he be playing significant right back minutes for us in big games this season - probably not

(shout out to the post above mine that said he played brilliantly against Spurs..... amazing anyone could watch that second half and think that.. people watching football is weird)

killer-heels · « **Reply #1247 on:** February 9, 2018, 01:02:00 am »

Quote from: JackWard33 on February 9, 2018, 12:56:02 am

Yeah yeah I totally agree
There's 2 different things 1) is he on course to be a very good player? - yeah he is - getting minutes in a top 4 team at his age is super rare 2) is he at the level today where he be playing significant right back minutes for us in big games this season - probably not

(shout out to the post above mine that said he played brilliantly against Spurs..... amazing anyone could watch that second half and think that.. people watching football is weird)

I think you can seperate the two. Did Liverpool’s right back have a good game? Probably not. Did Trent illustrate some the things you want to see that make you believe he will be a really good footballer for us? Absolutely.

Its so rare to see youngsters demonstrate that ability in the final third from passing/crossing and dribbling, let alone both.

BabuYagu · « **Reply #1248 on:** February 9, 2018, 12:08:33 pm »

Quote from: JackWard33 on February 9, 2018, 12:56:02 am

Yeah yeah I totally agree
There's 2 different things 1) is he on course to be a very good player? - yeah he is - getting minutes in a top 4 team at his age is super rare 2) is he at the level today where he be playing significant right back minutes for us in big games this season - probably not

(shout out to the post above mine that said he played brilliantly against Spurs..... amazing anyone could watch that second half and think that.. people watching football is weird)

I kinda agree.

However, the solutions to that problem is where it gets interesting. He is likely only reaching that level you talk about in #2 by playing. And if we cherry pick easier games for him, that likely won't cut it. And sending him out on loan could end up completely derailing the progress he is making as he could end up benched, having a manager play him in another position, have him play in a wildly different tactical system which teaches him little that translates to playing for us, etc.

So I do think we need to just eat those moments. As we are seeing clear and rapid progression. Once more it is a long term approach by Klopp of overlooking short term problems for long term gains.

mrantarctica · « **Reply #1249 on:** February 9, 2018, 12:50:30 pm »

Quote from: BabuYagu on February 9, 2018, 12:08:33 pm

I kinda agree.

However, the solutions to that problem is where it gets interesting. He is likely only reaching that level you talk about in #2 by playing. And if we cherry pick easier games for him, that likely won't cut it. And sending him out on loan could end up completely derailing the progress he is making as he could end up benched, having a manager play him in another position, have him play in a wildly different tactical system which teaches him little that translates to playing for us, etc.

So I do think we need to just eat those moments. As we are seeing clear and rapid progression. Once more it is a long term approach by Klopp of overlooking short term problems for long term gains.

Players like Trent need minutes on the pitch, and competition with other great players. He'll learn something from going on loan but it would be pointless because he can learn more by playing games for us and competing for a starting spot from this age itself.

He's going to finish with approximately 20-25 appearances this season, maybe a bit more than that. That is good going for a teenager. His goal should really be a 2-3 year plan of getting in the best possible physical and mental condition, improving his tactical ability and defensive understanding and looking to establish himself as a regular starter over a 2-3 season period. He's not quite at that level for us yet I don't think, but he isn't far away at all.

bradders1011 · « **Reply #1250 on:** February 14, 2018, 11:27:04 pm »

Thought he was brilliant tonight. Dealt with their pacey winger expertly and his anticipation when they got into creative areas helped start a couple of counters.

A better cross and he could have had a header at goal in the second half too.

Giono · « **Reply #1251 on:** February 14, 2018, 11:40:36 pm »

I think he could become the next Aurelio (on the rightj. Calm and composed on the ball with a heck of a cross. Plus Trent takes a great freekick and corner.

Phil M · « **Reply #1252 on:** February 15, 2018, 12:00:56 am »

Some were on here writing the lad off a few games ago.

He's made them look very fucking daft.

farawayred · « **Reply #1253 on:** February 15, 2018, 12:19:42 am »

Quote from: Giono on February 14, 2018, 11:40:36 pm

I think he could become the next Aurelio (on the rightj. Calm and composed on the ball with a heck of a cross. Plus Trent takes a great freekick and corner.

I can just imagine Trent doing this in a year or two:

Popcorn · « **Reply #1254 on:** February 15, 2018, 12:59:23 am »

Hope he stays first choice now, should be ahead of Gomez. Great again tonight.

elpistolero7 · « **Reply #1255 on:** February 15, 2018, 01:16:20 am »

I rate Gomez, but Trent has made less mistakes and gives a lot more going forward. Should be first choice and left to compete with Clyne when he is fit.

Gomez should take over from Klavan as 4th choice CB I think.

vivabobbygraham · « **Reply #1256 on:** February 15, 2018, 01:18:48 am »

Class in a glass and only 19. Fucking hell........

mallin9 · « **Reply #1257 on:** February 15, 2018, 01:43:08 am »

Quote from: farawayred on February 15, 2018, 12:19:42 am

I can just imagine Trent doing this in a year or two:

This sums up tonight for me. I love the aurelio gif, I fucking loved Fabio when fit, we were a dangerous team in the CL back when Aurelio was whipping in beautifully flighted crosses and we are now, with a 19 year old local kid oozing class at RB. His crosses have curve like danielle herrington. He's intelligent and is highly comfortable cutting inside. I'm all over the shop. Maybe he and Robertson and I could get an apartment together.

Happy Clyne is back, he's got a fight on his hands

Doc Red · « **Reply #1258 on:** February 15, 2018, 02:07:51 am »

I still believe he'll end up playing in the midfield, rather than right back.
Far more of an attacking player, with a great engine, good vision, and the balls to go for difficult passes.
He would do well playing as one of the three midfielders, in a few years time.

In the meantime, between Gomez and himself, and Clyne still to return, our right back position is sorted with some fantastic competition.

Roger Federer · « **Reply #1259 on:** February 15, 2018, 10:48:29 am »

He could end up in midfield, but on the other hand he's got pretty much exactly what I'd want from a fullback. Pace, stamina, an excellent cross, good on the ball, and despite being only 19 still a decent to sometimes very good defender. Obviously he makes mistakes, and struggles with consistency, but I think he's got exactly the right qualities to develop into a top fullback.

I prefer the Brazilian school of fullbacks though, especially in an attacking team like ours. At least one of the fullback should go forward and support the attack as often as possible.

clinical · « **Reply #1260 on:** February 15, 2018, 10:55:26 am »

Think he's great. He's 19.

I still think when all 100% fit Clyne is overall our best RB. But not by much and Gomez and TAA have been really impressive. Think Gomez will eventually be a CB and can see TAA playing RB or RM

The G in Gerrard · « **Reply #1261 on:** February 15, 2018, 10:55:27 am »

Quote from: Phil M on February 15, 2018, 12:00:56 am

Some were on here writing the lad off a few games ago.

He's made them look very fucking daft.

Some were? Shameful. Our youngsters get pigeon holed far too quickly.

Phil M · « **Reply #1262 on:** February 15, 2018, 11:40:53 am »

Quote from: The G in Gerrard on February 15, 2018, 10:55:27 am

Some were? Shameful. Our youngsters get pigeon holed far too quickly.

Yes mate sadly.

For example...

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=339119.msg15843762#msg15843762

"Can, Wijnaldum, AAT, Mignolet, Moreno = not good enough for LFC"

Medellin · « **Reply #1263 on:** February 15, 2018, 11:43:27 am »

Quote from: Phil M on February 15, 2018, 11:40:53 am

Yes mate sadly.

For example...

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=339119.msg15843762#msg15843762

"Can, Wijnaldum, AAT, Mignolet, Moreno = not good enough for LFC"

Trent going backwards there..no wonder!

He has all the characteristics of a fine player has our TAA by the way.

The G in Gerrard · « **Reply #1264 on:** February 15, 2018, 01:00:20 pm »

Quote from: Phil M on February 15, 2018, 11:40:53 am

Yes mate sadly.

For example...

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=339119.msg15843762#msg15843762

"Can, Wijnaldum, AAT, Mignolet, Moreno = not good enough for LFC"

Nothing like knee jerk reaction at it's finest.

xbugawugax · « **Reply #1265 on:** February 16, 2018, 01:48:02 pm »

Quote from: clinical on February 15, 2018, 10:55:26 am

Think he's great. He's 19.

I still think when all 100% fit Clyne is overall our best RB. But not by much and Gomez and TAA have been really impressive. Think Gomez will eventually be a CB and can see TAA playing RB or RM

19..let me repeat 19 years old.

playing RB. in a CL knock out phase.

dealt with brahimi brilliantly.

i still think that his defending has a lot to be improved upon and Joe Gomez is more defensively solid but AA does offer more attacking wise.

With International superstar, Clyne, back in full training, not really sure where he is going to get game time.

rastaferio · « **Reply #1266 on:** February 16, 2018, 02:43:17 pm »

Quote from: xbugawugax on February 16, 2018, 01:48:02 pm

19..let me repeat 19 years old.

playing RB. in a CL knock out phase.

dealt with brahimi brilliantly.

i still think that his defending has a lot to be improved upon and Joe Gomez is more defensively solid but AA does offer more attacking wise.

With International superstar, Clyne, back in full training, not really sure where he is going to get game time.

I can't imagine that Clyne will be fully fit for some time. He hasn't trained or played all season.

Schmidt · « **Reply #1267 on:** February 16, 2018, 02:59:25 pm »

Quote from: xbugawugax on February 16, 2018, 01:48:02 pm

i still think that his defending has a lot to be improved upon and Joe Gomez is more defensively solid but AA does offer more attacking wise.

Not totally sure actually, Gomez seems to make a lot of big mistakes despite being a lot less adventurous in attack.

fowlermagic · « **Reply #1268 on:** February 16, 2018, 03:04:46 pm »

Clyne wont be match fit until April more than likely so cant see him getting too many starts this season considering how well TAA and Gomez have done. Trent is a tremendous prospect who could be ideal as a wingback if we ever go with 3 center backs as his eye for a pass is better than most as he has threaded some lovely balls over the opposition. Who knows what his future holds as he could be our back up to the holding midfielder slot in time as he obviously knows how the defence works and array of passes we have seen could be ideal for that slot. Still cannot see him in midfield for another couple of years as has a lot to learn but himself & Gomez surely are up for Young Player of the Year.

Yorkykopite · « **Reply #1269 on:** February 16, 2018, 04:01:23 pm »

Super quick and extremely agile - and with those two things comes his astonishing recovery pace. There were a couple of times in the first half where he seemed to have sold himself with a tackle only to regain speed and adjust direction instantly and then choke off his man. A brilliant prospect.

duvva 💅 · « **Reply #1270 on:** February 16, 2018, 04:23:53 pm »

I know this is a TAA thread but you’d like to think that both he and Gomez if they keep developing as they have been will become mainstays of our defence for the next 10 yrs. Of course they make mistakes at their age, they’re still learning and the one of the best ways to do that is through consistent exposure to the types of players and teams they are up against week in week out now.

lamonti · « **Reply #1271 on:** February 16, 2018, 06:11:03 pm »

what a great lad. can't wait til he just starts wearing "TRENT" on his jersey

Yorkykopite · « **Reply #1272 on:** February 16, 2018, 07:06:29 pm »

Quote from: lamonti on February 16, 2018, 06:11:03 pm

what a great lad. can't wait til he just starts wearing "TRENT" on his jersey

I can see the headline now when we next play Forest. 'Trent Runs Through Nottingham'.

Giono · « **Reply #1273 on:** February 16, 2018, 07:11:27 pm »

Quote from: rastaferio on February 16, 2018, 02:43:17 pm

I can't imagine that Clyne will be fully fit for some time. He hasn't trained or played all season.

And besides, he doesn’t offer the same attacking threat that Trent does. Actually I could see Gomez being bumped to the centre when Clyne is back fully fit.

DefJack · « **Reply #1274 on:** February 16, 2018, 07:52:50 pm »

I said on here one year ago that he's better on the ball than any RB we've had in the last 10 years. I got soundly told by many I was talking nonsense.

I wonder if people's opinions have changed over the last year?

redprodigal · « **Reply #1275 on:** February 17, 2018, 03:46:04 pm »

Quote from: Yorkykopite on February 16, 2018, 04:01:23 pm

Super quick and extremely agile - and with those two things comes his astonishing recovery pace. There were a couple of times in the first half where he seemed to have sold himself with a tackle only to regain speed and adjust direction instantly and then choke off his man. A brilliant prospect.

Correct. I said a while ago that while he is raw he will make mistakes like any other young lad but his pace will get him out if trouble a lot. And when he matures and stops making those mistakes we will have a gem on our hands.

catinthebag · « **Reply #1276 on:** February 17, 2018, 03:49:59 pm »

Frankly I think our front three still has not adjusted to TAA's amazing whipped crosses. Once they do, we're going to see his ability on the ball lead to a lot more assists.

mallin9 · « **Reply #1277 on:** March 4, 2018, 02:53:28 am »

How is this thread not a Randy Marsh style mess of euphoria? Kid is quality, steadier with every game. Some of his recovery tackles today were joyous to behold

Dench57 · « **Reply #1278 on:** March 4, 2018, 03:02:36 am »

absolute specimen

Schmidt · « **Reply #1279 on:** March 4, 2018, 03:14:59 am »

He's really ironed out the mistakes lately and been brilliant supporting the attack. It still feels like he's holding back in attack too, I can see him really doing some damage to teams in a season or two.