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« Reply #560 on: November 25, 2018, 06:09:59 am »
Could be massively rewarded if it goes ahead and they win.

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to be honest that was a real low point for me but it's in the past now and we won't be stupid enough to do it again I hope.

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« Reply #561 on: November 25, 2018, 07:41:07 am »
Boca players still don't want to play it, president saying if they play and lose he will appeal to governing body. If they win, they will fear for their lives trying to get out never mind having to lift the thing infront of the fans....

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« Reply #562 on: November 25, 2018, 07:50:43 am »
to be honest that was a real low point for me but it's in the past now and we won't be stupid enough to do it again I hope.

Ah behave it was drama over barely nothing. Shouldnt have happened but let's not go overboard!

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« Reply #563 on: November 25, 2018, 07:52:17 am »
Fair enough. It's in the past now and nobody was hurt.

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« Reply #564 on: November 25, 2018, 08:04:13 am »
If there is a fan invasion tonight during the match, i wonder how Infantino will explain his excuses.

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« Reply #565 on: November 25, 2018, 08:11:17 am »
Fair enough. It's in the past now and nobody was hurt.

Aye,

The game, if it goes ahead now as scheduled if something happens Infantino and Comnebol should be locked up. Still got my doubts that it happens to be honest.

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« Reply #566 on: November 25, 2018, 09:40:26 am »
Boca players still don't want to play it, president saying if they play and lose he will appeal to governing body. If they win, they will fear for their lives trying to get out never mind having to lift the thing infront of the fans....

This part hasn't changed just because of what happened yesterday, it was always going to be a challenge. 

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« Reply #567 on: November 25, 2018, 12:16:26 pm »

https://twitter.com/golazoargentino/status/1066520311502376962 - 'Same report from the hotel saying that while Angelici won't request the win, Boca's players will refuse to play tomorrow (now later today). Anyway, this is going to run on and on so I'll leave it there for this evening. Thanks for joining me & we will do it all again tomorrow!'

Worth a look on his timeline for info and videos etc.


'Boca bus driver: If Paolini hadn't taken the wheel, it would've been a tragedy'...

https://www.marca.com/en/football/international-football/2018/11/25/5bfa9bf9468aeb07138b45e5.html



As it stands the game will kick off 8pm (UK time) later today - and will still be shown live on BT Sport and FreeSports...


Maybe the police will clear the bus routes of any large gatherings of fans this time - especially on corners of roads where the coach has to slow down and take the hits from anything thrown.

Surprised nobody has targeted Infantino and other CONMEBOL bigwigs on their way in - though with 30 bodyguards and a wall of security around him he's obviously better protected than the players - https://twitter.com/TNTSportsLA/status/1066457031148736517

Still, he's got his endorsement from CONMEBOL on Friday for his coming FIFA election - and then supports them by threatening the two teams with sanctions if they refuse to play yesterday.



Hope it was a quiet night in Buenos Aires last night.



A live Argentinean news tv channel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1xif50QMr4&feature=youtu.be


Some useful info (the official channels are very quiet):-

https://twitter.com/Libertadores : https://twitter.com/CONMEBOL/ : https://twitter.com/CARPoficial : https://twitter.com/BocaJrsOficial

https://twitter.com/Tim_Vickery : https://twitter.com/RorySmith : https://twitter.com/jonawils : https://twitter.com/CABJ_English : https://twitter.com/golazoargentino/

https://www.theguardian.com/football/copa-libertadores : https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/new/ : https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/24/sports/boca-juniors-river-plate-copa-libertadores.html


We never know, maybe a game of footy will break out later...
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« Reply #568 on: November 25, 2018, 01:32:33 pm »
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« Reply #569 on: November 25, 2018, 03:26:53 pm »
Boca don't want to play by the sound of it so here we go again!  ;D

Perez says he's ok to play so hopefully that helps!

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« Reply #570 on: November 25, 2018, 03:47:35 pm »
"Now | Official press release from BOCA Juniors calls for suspension of the party and penalties for River."



River respond by tweeting a reminder of what time the gates at the stadium open.  ;D
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« Reply #571 on: November 25, 2018, 04:33:38 pm »

Fans just now being let into the ground - https://twitter.com/RorySmith
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« Reply #572 on: November 25, 2018, 04:57:35 pm »
Fans just now being let into the ground - https://twitter.com/RorySmith

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« Reply #573 on: November 25, 2018, 05:00:45 pm »
Game off.

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« Reply #574 on: November 25, 2018, 05:03:08 pm »

Makes sense... keep the doors to the ground closed since 1pm (when they were meant to be opened), open the doors later to finally let the fans in - and then call the game off...


'The Libertadores final has been postponed again. Alejandro Dominguez, president of Conmebol, says there aren’t “equal conditions” for both teams. Confirms it’s off.' - https://twitter.com/RorySmith/status/1066738044164849665
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« Reply #575 on: November 25, 2018, 05:07:56 pm »
CONMEBOL: always finding new ways of being even more ridiculous and barely acceptable. Whatever, this should've been called off yesterday as soon as it happened but nooooo, let's drag this out.

Whatever.

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« Reply #576 on: November 25, 2018, 05:11:25 pm »
Still three hours to go, I’ve not given up hope of another twist here.  Half-expecting to see them facing off at polo at 8pm instead.

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« Reply #577 on: November 25, 2018, 05:16:08 pm »

San Lorenzo vs Huracán game was cancelled because of this too - any decent communication and organisation and that game could have gone ahead.


As Tim Vickery points out: https://twitter.com/Tim_Vickery/status/1066735314012684290 - 'the medical bulletin from Conmebol yesterday - that injuries were superficial and would not effect the game - now looks very strange'


https://twitter.com/golazoargentino/status/1066742257024417792 - 'Boca president Daniel Angelici & River president Rodolfo D'Onofrio will go to CONMEBOL for a meeting on Tuesday to arrange this. Potential date for the game December 8th - 10 days before the Club World Cup semi final the winner would be playing in'


Of course it's the G20 in Buenos Aires this week/weekend.
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« Reply #578 on: November 25, 2018, 05:27:18 pm »
Of course it's the G20 in Buenos Aires this week/weekend.

I'm sure the G20 heads of state will think about using Skype instead ;D

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« Reply #579 on: November 25, 2018, 05:51:35 pm »
been following this over the past few weeks, and obviously the last 24 hours, wow, I've been fascinated by it all

its really whetted my appetite to go to these grounds
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« Reply #580 on: November 25, 2018, 06:00:16 pm »
been following this over the past few weeks, and obviously the last 24 hours, wow, I've been fascinated by it all

its really whetted my appetite to go to these grounds
That is true.  It’s like there’s a whole other Europe down there that we just never think about.

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« Reply #581 on: November 25, 2018, 06:57:57 pm »
CONMEBOL: always finding new ways of being even more ridiculous and barely acceptable. Whatever, this should've been called off yesterday as soon as it happened but nooooo, let's drag this out.

Whatever.

Either really stupid or wanting to keep the TV companies and their advertisers happy...the coverage down here in Argentina has been wall to wall all day on multiple channels.
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« Reply #582 on: November 26, 2018, 12:36:19 am »

https://twitter.com/CONMEBOL/status/1066744494505242624 - 'The new date of the final will be analyzed and decided in a meeting in Asunción on Tuesday 27 at 10 in the morning with the presidents of the finalist clubs, Boca Juniors and River Plate.'
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« Reply #583 on: November 26, 2018, 01:29:48 am »
https://twitter.com/CONMEBOL/status/1066744494505242624 - 'The new date of the final will be analyzed and decided in a meeting in Asunción on Tuesday 27 at 10 in the morning with the presidents of the finalist clubs, Boca Juniors and River Plate.'
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« Reply #584 on: November 26, 2018, 10:11:53 am »
been following this over the past few weeks, and obviously the last 24 hours, wow, I've been fascinated by it all

its really whetted my appetite to go to these grounds

The banning of away fans in Argentina tho, would take some of the magic away. I'd rather see Boca v River in a stadium with both sets of fans, rather than there being no away fans at all.

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« Reply #585 on: November 26, 2018, 10:24:02 am »
Where is Maradona when you need him?
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« Reply #586 on: November 26, 2018, 11:56:48 am »
The banning of away fans in Argentina tho, would take some of the magic away. I'd rather see Boca v River in a stadium with both sets of fans, rather than there being no away fans at all.

I think the final will eventually be played in the US for the $$$.
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« Reply #587 on: November 26, 2018, 04:30:10 pm »
River Plate hooligans described as the "mafia of Argentine soccer" were behind the attack on Boca Juniors' bus before the Copa Libertadores final second leg, says the mayor of Buenos Aires.

Saturday's game was delayed by 24 hours then postponed, with its rescheduling set to be discussed on Tuesday.

Several Boca players were injured when the windows on the bus were broken on the way to River's Estadio Monumental.

Buenos Aires mayor Horacio Rodriguez Larreta said it was a revenge attack.

He said the incident occurred a day after police raided the house of a leader of the Barra Brava - the powerful and violent wing of River's hardcore support.

They confiscated 10 millions pesos (£207,285) and 300 tickets for the final.


"The problem is the Barra Brava - a mafia who have been embedded in football for more than 50 years," he added.

"They are responsible for these incidents. This is directly related to the episode the day before. So 300 people were not allowed in and they were the principle protagonists of everything that happened."

South American football expert Tim Vickery says the Barra Brava makes their money through nefarious activities, including selling tickets on the black market.

"The hooligans in Argentina, it's not just passion, it's a business. Tickets were exchanging hands at extraordinary prices," he told BBC Radio 4.

"So one interpretation of the violence here from the River Plate supporters is that this was a revenge attack from an organised group of thugs, against the police for not allowing them to profit from this match."

Boca players suffered cuts from the glass and were also affected by the tear gas used by police to disperse the crowds.

Club officials asked South American football's governing body Conmebol to take action and allow those affected by Saturday's incidents to recover further.

Larreta called on both clubs to collaborate with the investigation into what happened and said he would do "whatever it takes to get to the bottom of this problem".

"We need to find out who gave them the tickets and overcome the mafia of the Barra," he added. "This is our biggest challenge and we are going forward on that basis."

Conmebol says it will meet with with the presidents of Boca Juniors and River Plate on Tuesday at 13:00 GMT to make a decision on when the match will be replayed.

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« Reply #588 on: November 26, 2018, 07:19:37 pm »
The banning of away fans in Argentina tho, would take some of the magic away. I'd rather see Boca v River in a stadium with both sets of fans, rather than there being no away fans at all.

There's been no away fans for about 5 years now  at the big games in Argentina

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« Reply #589 on: November 26, 2018, 10:35:32 pm »
A woman who taped flares underneath the clothes of a child in an attempt to smuggle them into Argentina's Estadio Monumental for the Copa Libertadores final second leg between River Plate and Boca Juniors on Saturday has been arrested.

A video showed a woman fastening flares to the child's body with white duct tape, with both individuals wearing River jerseys.

The images were shared on social media and police, using specialised software, reviewed social network activity in detail to identify the woman and arrest her.

"The Buenos Aires prosecutors' office have arrested a person involved in relation to the images that were broadcast Saturday, in which a woman was seen placing several pyrotechnic objects on the torso of a minor, with the aim of getting them into the River Plate stadium," Buenos Aires authorities announced on Twitter.

The woman could face two-to-six years in prison for breaching article 106 of the country's penal code, which refers to putting someone's life in danger -- and the punishment could be even more severe if she is found to be the child's mother.

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« Reply #590 on: November 26, 2018, 10:42:33 pm »
Certainly settling in nicely in the locale, as this post-match interview confirms:
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« Reply #591 on: November 27, 2018, 03:21:39 pm »

'Doctors of Conmebol are denounced for their medical report of Boca players'...

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^ According to that 'Subsequently, the doctors acknowledged that they did not check any injured Boca players in the Xeneize locker room.'
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« Reply #592 on: November 27, 2018, 03:37:22 pm »

CONMBEOL say that the 2nd leg of the Final will now be played between the 8th and 9th December - at a place and time to be defined (outside Argentina), at the discretion of CONMEBOL

https://twitter.com/CONMEBOL/status/1067439013634732033


That cleared that up then...

(rumours are that it'll be played in Ascension, Peru)


No word yet from the two clubs involved - or whether they'll turn up for it... plus, the above is all still subject to the disciplinary committee's ruling on Boca's request that River are disqualified.
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« Reply #593 on: November 27, 2018, 03:39:56 pm »
They should have done that to begin with.

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« Reply #594 on: November 27, 2018, 04:08:32 pm »
The second leg of the Copa Libertadores final between Boca Juniors and River Plate will be played in a neutral stadium outside of Argentina on either Dec. 8 or 9, CONMEBOL executives said on Tuesday.

The final between the Buenos Aires archrivals, originally scheduled for this past Saturday at River Stadium, was postponed after River Plate fans attacked the Boca Juniors bus before the match. It was initially rescheduled for Sunday and then again postponed. The first leg was drawn 2-2.

Paraguay chief of police Walter Vazquez offered up Defensores del Chaco stadium in Asuncion, Paraguay, on Tuesday.

"We are working with the logistics to see how the operative could be," he told ABC Cardinal AM730 radio on Tuesday morning.
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« Reply #595 on: November 27, 2018, 04:13:27 pm »
So does this mean only River supporters will be allowed in?

Do they just show their ticket from El Monumental? Or will the club exhcange them?
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Re: South American Football. Leagues, Copa Libertadores etc.
« Reply #596 on: November 27, 2018, 04:25:48 pm »
Play it in England to really punish them

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Re: South American Football. Leagues, Copa Libertadores etc.
« Reply #597 on: November 27, 2018, 04:27:59 pm »
Play it in England to really punish them

Play it at Old Trafford, the fans there need some entertainment.
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Re: South American Football. Leagues, Copa Libertadores etc.
« Reply #598 on: November 27, 2018, 04:30:54 pm »
Play it at Old Trafford, the fans there need some entertainment.

Plenty of seating available...
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Re: South American Football. Leagues, Copa Libertadores etc.
« Reply #599 on: November 27, 2018, 04:50:14 pm »
City can lend them their new bus with super-duper deflector shields and cloaking devices and whatnot.
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