Topic: 6 months of Roy Hodgson quotes

[Red_Isle_Chap]

Now, if we were to finish higher then 7th that must be seen as an improvement, surely?

The only way, for me, that this season can be seen as an improvement is if the team suddenly gels for the second half of the season and we suddenly see the squad taking steps forward.

I'm all for judging the team by what goes on on the pitch mate, but at the moment bar some very fleeting glimpses, we've been shite, both home and away (fuck it now i've got the home and away theme tune in my head)

If we stutter and blunder our way to say sixth, miss out on the europa league (unless arsenal win the CC, which you never can tell with wenger) is it an improvement?

[Lent§]

The only way, for me, that this season can be seen as an improvement is if the team suddenly gels for the second half of the season and we suddenly see the squad taking steps forward.

I'm all for judging the team by what goes on on the pitch mate, but at the moment bar some very fleeting glimpses, we've been shite, both home and away (fuck it now i've got the home and away theme tune in my head)

If we stutter and blunder our way to say sixth, miss out on the europa league (unless arsenal win the CC, which you never can tell with wenger) is it an improvement?

If we finish 6th, it's an improvement, whichever way you look at it.

[i_wun_bite]

I see us sitting ninth at Xmas, -1 goal diff, 1 away win, and about 90 minutes of football worth watching all season.

I see our statistics falling in line with Roy Hodgson's career record, in some cases worse.

I see our football methods reflect those of a mid table (or lesser league) side - the kind that Roy is used to managing.

I see players like Torres - once record breaking world player of the year candidate - withering.

I see a total lack of motivation.

I see an unsettled fanbase, feeling like their dog died after a promising ownership spill, only to have to endure the prolonged tenure of a manager clearly out of his depth.


Yes, I blame Roy. This squad is far, far better than this.  If it isn't the manager's fault, then what is the point of the manager at all? If managers are credited with success, then they should equally be accused of failure. Roy is clinging on by a thread. He wants to "save" his reputation. This is leading to desperation, and it will lead to despair. Hodgson would sooner ruin LFC than give up the chance to absolve his reputation.

If we CAN do better (or if anyone thinks another manager could do so) then what is the point of Hodgson?

get back in line and support the manager, you need to give him a full season before judging him. Well, maybe one season is not enough. It's his bedding season. you need to wait 2 to 3 seasons before seeing roy's master plan.

[i_wun_bite]

Now, if we were to finish higher then 7th that must be seen as an improvement, surely?

yes. finishing higher then 7th is an improvement on last season's league position. do u see a improvement on what rafa has done in his 5 years or perhaps it'll only be fair and a better gauge if we let roy take the reins for 5 years?

[LFCpostCOM]

And that's all we can do, unless we're in the dressing room/Melwood? But let's just carry on 'imagining' things he's 'probably' saying to them to make our points online.

Whatever it is, it isn't working.

[LFCpostCOM]

get back in line and support the manager, you need to give him a full season before judging him. Well, maybe one season is not enough. It's his bedding season. you need to wait 2 to 3 seasons before seeing roy's master plan.

Haha. Goebbels had a plan too.

[Lent§]

Whatever it is, it isn't working.

Best email FSG and let them know eh?

[El Campeador]

If we finish 6th, it's an improvement, whichever way you look at it.

It's not.

The difference between 7th and 6th is about a million quid in prize money.

Joe Cole makes about 5 times that.

[LFCpostCOM]

If we finish 6th, it's an improvement, whichever way you look at it.

The chance that happens are very slim. Last year we always had hope for fourth, because it was a real possibility. In fact it was a reasonable target right to the end. And under Rafa we had a reasonable expectation.

None of the same can be said now.

[Red_Isle_Chap]

If we finish 6th, it's an improvement, whichever way you look at it.

It is isn't it, it's a place higher in the league.

But if we finish 6th, out of europe totally, less points and a shitter goal difference than last season, is it really the improvement that we should have seen? Or am I utterly wrong Lents and Roy's utterly right, that our expectations of the club are far, far too high and really, if we get about 6th, we should actually be happy with it? 

[Lent§]

It's not.

The difference between 7th and 6th is about a million quid in prize money.

Joe Cole makes about 5 times that.

It is.
6th is better than 7th, but either is still shit, since 1st is everything.

[El Campeador]

It is.

No it's not. You said "whichever way you look at it."

I merely showed you one scenario where that's not the case.

6th is better than 7th, but either is still shit, since 1st is everything.

It difficult to reach first 1st if you forsake continuity for ripping up the playbook every go-round. Ask any England fan.

[Lent§]

No it's not. You said "whichever way you look at it."

I merely showed yo one scenario where that's not the case.

It difficult to reach first 1st if you forsake continuity for ripping up the playbook every go-round. Ask any England fan.

I'd love to be able to be as precious as you.

1st IS everything, like it or not, but 6th isnearer 1st than 7th so it would be an improvement. Decorate it however you like, it's fact.

[LFCpostCOM]

It is.
6th is better than 7th, but either is still shit, since 1st is everything.

You're arguments are a bit like Roy's. Hopeful, but hapless.

[Lent§]

You're arguments are a bit like Roy's. Hopeful, but hapless.

So, 6th ISN'T an improvement on 7th? But but but... fuck off.

[Red_Isle_Chap]

Is there any chance you could all stop being so personal in the attacks/replies to each other. I'm actually enjoying debating, but the veiled nastiness is pretty annoying.

[El Campeador]

I'd love to be able to be as precious as you.

1st IS everything, like it or not, but 6th isnearer 1st than 7th so it would be an improvement. Decorate it however you like, it's fact.

Lents, if it were that simple, marathon runners would sprint.

[LFCpostCOM]

I'd love to be able to be as precious as you.

1st IS everything, like it or not, but 6th isnearer 1st than 7th so it would be an improvement. Decorate it however you like, it's fact.

Crikey, you ARE the David Brent of RAWK.

If we get 6th I'll buy you an engraved microphone to practice your Karaoke.  Roy should have some spare time as well in summer, you could make a duet.

"Hold me in your arms, don't let me go..."

[Red_Isle_Chap]

So, 6th ISN'T an improvement on 7th? But but but... fuck off.

again......

It is isn't it, it's a place higher in the league.

But if we finish 6th, out of europe totally, less points and a shitter goal difference than last season, is it really the improvement that we should have seen? Or am I utterly wrong Lents and Roy's utterly right, that our expectations of the club are far, far too high and really, if we get about 6th, we should actually be happy with it? 

[Lent§]

Crikey, you ARE the David Brent of RAWK.

If we get 6th I'll buy you an engraved microphone to practice your Karaoke.  Roy should have some spare time as well in summer, you could make a duet.

"Hole me in your arms, don't let me go..."

Hold*

Lents, if it were that simple, marathon runners would sprint.

Patronising much...?

[Lent§]

p.s I love El C. The last argument I had with him was whether Dirk was Pacey.... El C said he was.... LOL

[El Campeador]

p.s I love El C. The last argument I had with him was whether Dirk was Pacey.... El C said he was.... LOL

I'd rather make a hash out of supporting Dirk Kuyt than Roy fucking Hodgson like.

[Lent§]

I'd rather make a hash out of supporting Dirk Kuyt than Roy fucking Hodgson like.

You;ve got me all wrong. There's a difference between believing he's the right man and sounding like a fucking Geordie slagging the bloke off. That's all.

[El Campeador]

You;ve got me all wrong. There's a difference between believing he's the right man and sounding like a fucking Geordie slagging the bloke off. That's all.

Honestly, Lents, I can't really bring myself to slag the Geordies off since we let Rafa walk alone.

[Lent§]

Honestly, Lents, I can't really bring myself to slag the Geordies off since we let Rafa walk alone.

I admire your support of an EX LFC manager, but fuck me the way people have acted towards the current bloke is shameful. 'He's delibarately doing this' is just one of the frankly comical things i've read today about OUR manager. Get over Benitez, he's gone, he ain't coming back mate, get over it. 6 bloody months.
The way Hodgson's been treated by some is fucking shambolic, and I'm just thankful RAWK is in no way representative of LFC fans.

[Red_Isle_Chap]

I admire your support of an EX LFC manager, but fuck me the way people have acted towards the current bloke is shameful. 'He's delibarately doing this' is just one of the frankly comical things i've read today about OUR manager. Get over Benitez, he's gone, he ain't coming back mate, get over it. 6 bloody months.
The way Hodgson's been treated by some is fucking shambolic, and I'm just thankful RAWK is in no way representative of LFC fans.

I'd agree, some of the shit written about Roy is pathetic. But then, it was the same last year about benitez. At least there's symmetry I guess.

[Chakan]

I admire your support of an EX LFC manager, but fuck me the way people have acted towards the current bloke is shameful. 'He's delibarately doing this' is just one of the frankly comical things i've read today about OUR manager. Get over Benitez, he's gone, he ain't coming back mate, get over it. 6 bloody months.
The way Hodgson's been treated by some is fucking shambolic, and I'm just thankful RAWK is in no way representative of LFC fans.

I agree mate the personal abuse is uncalled for. 100% agree with that assertion.
But then again you get the other end of the spectrum. Who cares what Roy says in the press, the performance on the pitch isn't his fault cause he has a shitty team, 9th is best for us, his signings aren't crap, and the list goes on. Just some of the comical things I have heard, and these are the same people who slag Rafa off time and time again.

[Lent§]

I agree mate the personal abuse is uncalled for. 100% agree with that assertion.
But then again you get the other end of the spectrum. Who cares what Roy says in the press, the performance on the pitch isn't his fault cause he has a shitty team, 9th is best for us, his signings aren't crap, and the list goes on. Just some of the comical things I have heard, and these are the same people who slag Rafa off time and time again.

There's a difference between disagreeing with Roy (or Rafa) and slagging them off. I happen to believe neither are the right man to take us forward, but since I'm apparently a Rafa 'hater' my opinions are worth fuck all and let's all get back to wanking over 2nd 2 years ago and slagging Roy off.... there's just no middle ground.

[Chakan]

There's a difference between disagreeing with Roy (or Rafa) and slagging them off. I happen to believe neither are the right man to take us forward, but since I'm apparently a Rafa 'hater' my opinions are worth fuck all and let's all get back to wanking over 2nd 2 years ago and slagging Roy off.... there's just no middle ground.

What would middle ground be?

[Lent§]

I'm indifferent to Benitez, whilst appreciating the miracle of 2005 I was similarly bemused by the failings of last season. But of course he didn't fail, it was everyone but Rafa etc etc that we've all been through a hundred times or more. But because I don't worship the ground he walks on i'm a Rafa 'hater' and deserve the position LFC are in now because I thought he'd run his course. Obviously i'm a sky sports fed billy bullshit who knows fuck all because I have a differing opinion to the RAWK masses.

[Chakan]

Was that an answer?

[Red_Isle_Chap]

I'm indifferent to Benitez, whilst appreciating the miracle of 2005 I was similarly bemused by the failings of last season. But of course he didn't fail, it was everyone but Rafa etc etc that we've all been through a hundred times or more. But because I don't worship the ground he walks on i'm a Rafa 'hater' and deserve the position LFC are in now because I thought he'd run his course. Obviously i'm a sky sports fed billy bullshit who knows fuck all because I have a differing opinion to the RAWK masses.

I haven't seen anyone calling you a "rafa hater" or any of the other silly little terms that get used on here. Funnily enough i thought the last couple of pages were a discussion? Don't quite know why you're getting all worked up over something that no ones called you?

[LFCpostCOM]

There's a difference between disagreeing with Roy (or Rafa) and slagging them off. I happen to believe neither are the right man to take us forward, but since I'm apparently a Rafa 'hater' my opinions are worth fuck all and let's all get back to wanking over 2nd 2 years ago and slagging Roy off.... there's just no middle ground.

Your definition of slagging is fuzzy.

There is some personal abuse, yes, but why should that offset the "fair" criticism. Just because he's copping some slagging is no reason to ignore the rest of it.

You say we should get behind him, maybe you're right. But he makes it very difficult to do so. Some would ask just how much of a risk he is. I say too much. He's gone in summer anyway, so what's the fucking point?

I think in general reds supporters are being tolerant. I think the idea he will be around for the season is sinking in. But we're a long, long way off being Newcastle. To say so is totally unfair for the most part.

When you see nobs shouting "you don't know what you're doing" behind the dugout on TV then I'll cave in to your point.

Until then, I think Roy should be held to account in forums and pubs, even on air if it's not distasteful or personal. After all, he says some total bollocks himself.

[adi1986]

I dont get this 'brought in Poulsen for Aquilani' claim. Isn't it fucking obvious on footballing terms that Poulsen was a purchase made to cover for the imminent departure of Mascherano? And the replacement for Aquilani was actually Raul Meireles and I don't care how cracking a talent Aquilani was, Raul Meireles has turned out to be an improvement on Aquilani. So that stick being used to beat Roy (who I don't rate as I always say) is fucking unreasonable.


Also Poulsen for Mascherano is a massive downgrade. But the same can be said about the attempted Barry for Alonso deal. Yet Roy is the cancer trying to ruin the club and Rafa is god.

[zero zero]

There's a difference between disagreeing with Roy (or Rafa) and slagging them off.

There's a difference between disagreeing with your fellow fans and slagging them off. But you choose to do the latter.

Hypocrite?

[harleydanger]

get back in line and support the manager, you need to give him a full season before judging him. Well, maybe one season is not enough. It's his bedding season. you need to wait 2 to 3 seasons before seeing roy's master plan.

Master plan?

Even if he did have a master plan, which he doesn't, we would've seen evidence of his ideas over the course of his very very long career. All that evidence points towards him being shite and out of his depth. A journeyman with a cup run under his belt. If he is here next season the damage will last a decade.

[TheDpoLenz without the please like]

. Obviously i'm a sky sports fed billy bullshit who knows fuck all because I have a differing opinion to the RAWK masses.

Obviously 

[redtrev]

Anyone who thinks supporting Roy is some how sticking to the old Liverpool way is delusional! The guy hasn't a clue how to operate at a club like lfc, not alone does his current performance show thus but also his previous performances at far lesser clubs!
Yes it's safe to say finishing sixth this season would be better than 7th last year but acloaer look at the two situations will quickly show this to be bollocks frankly!

The question you need to ask is if bentis had Bern in charge this term would we be better of now and at the end of the season? To the best of my knowledge however little and based in what I ve witnessed from both managers is that we would fair far better. That's that for me.

[free_at_last]

Roy's strategy of lowering our expectations appears to be working. Now we talk about 6th place as if it would be an acceptable achievement(and we've got no chance of that from where I'm sitting with Roy at the helm).
 Of course Roy was brought in by Hicks and Gillette to dismantle us quietly on our way to the Championship - he mustn't know if
he's coming or going now that the circumstances have changed.

[redrockydennis]

Roy's strategy of lowering our expectations appears to be working. Now we talk about 6th place as if it would be an acceptable achievement(and we've got no chance of that from where I'm sitting with Roy at the helm).
 Of course Roy was brought in by Hicks and Gillette to dismantle us quietly on our way to the Championship - he mustn't know if
he's coming or going now that the circumstances have changed.

it's the first season i can remember where we realistically have no chance of even challenging for the league. and that is due to roy hodgson, nobody else but roy hodgson. and as you have pointed out, people seem to find this acceptable now. it's shocking, and if something isn't done about this very, very soon we will end up exactly like our bitter neighbours across the park. and to make that worse, our present manager hasn;t even got the balls to come up with annything for the fans to rally behind, unacceptable results and no "people's club" type catchphrase. no plucky underdog malarkey here, just roy, who did his very best, which is not good enough for this club. the people responsible for bringing him in need lynching. this whole situation is like g&h's parting shot. a shit pedestrian manager, moulding liverpool fc into a shit, pedestrian team.