Topic: COVID-19:VERIFIED news sources, 0 politishit, 0 CONSPIRACY SHITE

[killer-heels]

Four of UK lot taken off the Cruise liner have tested positive.

[davidlpool1982]

Eh, I'm not that worried. If I get it, I get it and stay in bed. If I die, I die. Gonna happen one day anyway. As long as people don't go crazy and start hoarding food, water and medical supplies we'll be fine.

[Linudden]

And again 

It’s a thread about coronavirus and it’d be good to see the latest news and what’s going on rather than just seeing you trying to come across as knowing more than everyone else and getting the arse when it’s shown that you don’t.

Might be a good point to the end this "debate" on then? Bickering over minutae and slight differences is a bit a waste of cyberspace, yes.

[classycarra]

Might be a good point to the end this "debate" on then? Bickering over minutae and slight differences is a bit a waste of cyberspace, yes.

You already did, you chose not to engage with the points that showed up your assertions as incorrect. But yes, would be good if you could also now stop moving the thread away from discussions on the topic too.

[Zeb]

Not sure how widespread it was, and I get odd push alerts cos of chronic stuff landing me in algorithms flagging up 'vulnerable', but I got a text from NHS about this. Basically saying 'if you think you've got it, call us - don't go to your GP'. Assume most one can really do for prevention is just step up on hand hygiene, as well as not being a tramp with coughs and sneezes?

[killer-heels]

Not sure how widespread it was, and I get odd push alerts cos of chronic stuff landing me in algorithms flagging up 'vulnerable', but I got a text from NHS about this. Basically saying 'if you think you've got it, call us - don't go to your GP'. Assume most one can really do for prevention is just step up on hand hygiene, as well as not being a tramp with coughs and sneezes?

Yep. Short of saying avoid contact with anyone thats as much as they can advise.

What is the situation around those travelling back from SE Asia? My niece is back to school next week and one of her classmates is part Vietnamese and who travelled there a week before and during half term.

[classycarra]

Assume most one can really do for prevention is just step up on hand hygiene, as well as not being a tramp with coughs and sneezes?

Yep, be thorough in handwashing and 'catch' sneezes in a tissue and bin it.

If you're out and about, a pair of gloves isn't the worst idea. Aside from the immediate protection from fomites, it helps remind you not to touch your eyes and mouth in between washing your hands (in a less dramatic way than wearing a mask, which evidence shows really doesn't protect you - only somewhat protects others if you are carrying an infection)

[Jiminy Cricket]

Eh, I'm not that worried. If I get it, I get it and stay in bed. If I die, I die. Gonna happen one day anyway. As long as people don't go crazy and start hoarding food, water and medical supplies we'll be fine.

Shit. When you put it like that...

 

[Elmo!]

It wouldn't be a News & Current Affairs thread without Linudden confidently asserting things with 100% confidence about subjects they actually know a lot less about than they think.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

That rate is 2.3% but is a flawed formula comparing deaths with cases (most of which are subject to ongoing treatment).

A more accurate formula is comparing death numbers v those that have recovered.  This is circa 10%.  But it is a moving number presently.

Well, I’m not sure if you’re right or wrong on this, but being from HK, the number that we have been given is 2%, as it seems that a large majority of cases diagnosed go under the mild category (over 80% at last count), and only about 10% are supposed to be considered serious or critical cases. Of those cases, the mortality rate is between 10-20%, or something like that, as you said the line keeps moving. A lot of this data comes from China, so anyone can contest their authenticity. But it seems to be playing out the same way across the world.

SARS I remember was around 17%, and it was a lot deadlier than this today. The infection rate was not high, but once you were infected, you had a 1 in 5 chance of dying. The prevailing medical theory we’re getting here is that the easier for the virus to transmit, the less likely it will be fatal, at least when it comes to coronaviruses.

[Zeb]

Yep. Short of saying avoid contact with anyone thats as much as they can advise.

Yep, be thorough in handwashing and 'catch' sneezes in a tissue and bin it.

If you're out and about, a pair of gloves isn't the worst idea. Aside from the immediate protection from fomites, it helps remind you not to touch your eyes and mouth in between washing your hands (in a less dramatic way than wearing a mask, which evidence shows really doesn't protect you - only somewhat protects others if you are carrying an infection)

Ta.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

Eh, I'm not that worried. If I get it, I get it and stay in bed. If I die, I die. Gonna happen one day anyway. As long as people don't go crazy and start hoarding food, water and medical supplies we'll be fine.

Our city is currently the laughingstock of the world, we have people stockpiling toilet paper, among other things (there was even an armed robbery where they stole 600 12 roll packs of toilet paper). It’s so embarrassing, put it down to people believing in anything they’re sent on social media.

On the other hand, because of our experience with SARS and the subsequent flu’s, it looks like we’ve literally stamped out this year’s flu season. People are religiously washing their hands, everyone’s got a mask on, making sure we don’t touch our face without washing. People are also spending less time in crowded places voluntarily, and cleaning public facilities on a constant basis. The amount of cases we got even though we are just across the border from Guangdong province is honestly quite impressive.

But for the most part, people are getting a bit more relaxed now. I was out hiking today, and the trails are chock full of people. It’s like the start of spring for us, the temperature’s warm, and the weather’s nice. People can finally get out to get some exercise in fresh air, since all the gyms are closed.

[killer-heels]

Our city is currently the laughingstock of the world, we have people stockpiling toilet paper, among other things (there was even an armed robbery where they stole 600 12 roll packs of toilet paper). It’s so embarrassing, put it down to people believing in anything they’re sent on social media.

On the other hand, because of our experience with SARS and the subsequent flu’s, it looks like we’ve literally stamped out this year’s flu season. People are religiously washing their hands, everyone’s got a mask on, making sure we don’t touch our face without washing. People are also spending less time in crowded places voluntarily, and cleaning public facilities on a constant basis. The amount of cases we got even though we are just across the border from Guangdong province is honestly quite impressive.

But for the most part, people are getting a bit more relaxed now. I was out hiking today, and the trails are chock full of people. It’s like the start of spring for us, the temperature’s warm, and the weather’s nice. People can finally get out to get some exercise in fresh air, since all the gyms are closed.

Your city is...?

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

Your city is...?

I mentioned it above, I live in HK. Hong Kong for those of you who can’t handle abbreviations.

[killer-heels]

I mentioned it above, I live in HK. Hong Kong for those of you who can’t handle abbreviations.

Sorry I completely missed your post as I read the latest one first.

[Mister Flip Flop]

I mentioned it above, I live in HK. Hong Kong for those of you who can’t handle abbreviations.

 

[TSC]

Well, I’m not sure if you’re right or wrong on this, but being from HK, the number that we have been given is 2%,

SARS I remember was around 17%, and it was a lot deadlier than this today. The infection rate was not high, but once you were infected, you had a 1 in 5 chance of dying. The prevailing medical theory we’re getting here is that the easier for the virus to transmit, the less likely it will be fatal, at least when it comes to coronaviruses.

Your '2%' figure will relate to the comparison of deaths against total cases but in terms of referring to 'actual' mortality rate is flawed (as per my previous post).  My source is the following;

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

Your Sars figure is accurate as this refers to the 'actual' rate after the event. 

The following is also interesting;

https://towardsdatascience.com/why-the-coronavirus-mortality-rate-is-misleading-cc63f571b6a6

[TSC]

Yep. Short of saying avoid contact with anyone thats as much as they can advise.

What is the situation around those travelling back from SE Asia? My niece is back to school next week and one of her classmates is part Vietnamese and who travelled there a week before and during half term.

Some employers have suspended all travel to and from anywhere in the far east. 

[thejbs]

Is there a breaking point with viruses where the capacity to treat people affects mortality? As in, preventable deaths happen as services are overwhelmed?

[Elmo!]

Is there a breaking point with viruses where the capacity to treat people affects mortality? As in, preventable deaths happen as services are overwhelmed?

I was reading about this earlier, akbeit from a random Redditor and not a verifie expert by any means. Apparently the percentage of peopel with the virus that require treatment with ventilators is high, meaning that health services will be quickly overwhelmed, with the knock on effect of the death rate from Coronavirus and other unrelated things rising.

[TSC]

Is there a breaking point with viruses where the capacity to treat people affects mortality? As in, preventable deaths happen as services are overwhelmed?

Latest from the Guardian.  Gives an indication of the seriousness of the current situation.  To respond to your question this will primarily be informed by how 'serious' this becomes which is still unknown and will obviously be impacted by resources at a country level within respective health services.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/23/world-is-approaching-coronavirus-tipping-point-experts-say

[Crosby Nick]

Its Milan fashion week this week and that has the huge potential of spreading any virus.

Indeed. It could cause outbreaks of people wearing shit overpriced clobber around the globe.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

So how worried should we be? The means of stopping people being infected doesn't seem to be working. This becomes a pandemic, which it seems like it will, how bad is it going to be?

[killer-heels]

So how worried should we be? The means of stopping people being infected doesn't seem to be working. This becomes a pandemic, which it seems like it will, how bad is it going to be?

Nobody really knows. Its not known how many more people will have it, whether the isolation period needs to be longer, whether it will mutate more, whether its been passed on to other areas and we are just waiting for it to be known.

The last few days have been particularly grim because of it really increasing in the middle east and europe. All the communication yesterday and today from the authorities doesnt seem very positive.

[TSC]

Four of UK lot taken off the Cruise liner have tested positive.

These 4 apparently are now at Arrowe Park, and flight back included government officials and health workers.  Sky reporting they tested positive before they left but results weren’t released until they returned to UK.  Don’t know how accurate that report is.

[TSC]

Austria has stopped a train from Italy at its border as passengers are suspected of being infected.  Very fluid situation at the mo.

Watching the news is like watching some sort of disaster film. 

[killer-heels]

Austria has stopped a train from Italy at its border as passengers are suspected of being infected.  Very fluid situation at the mo.

Watching the news is like watching some sort of disaster film. 

The last few days have been pretty grim. Its surely only a matter of time until there are really severe travel restrictions across much of Western Europe.

[Jiminy Cricket]

The last few days have been pretty grim. Its surely only a matter of time until there are really severe travel restrictions across much of Western Europe.

I doubt any such restrictions will curtail the spread of the disease now. But it might slow the infection rate some, which means that health facilities will be under less stress. But surely, there will come a time where anything done now will seem like a drop in the ocean.

I suppose this only goes to show that we are lucky that the virus appears to be relatively non-lethal. Some day, of course, there will be something as (or more) virulent and with a much higher mortality rate. Something has to shift in how meat industry operates across the world before it is too late.

[killer-heels]

I doubt any such restrictions will curtail the spread of the disease now. But it might slow the infection rate some, which means that health facilities will be under less stress. But surely, there will come a time where anything done now will seem like a drop in the ocean.

I suppose this only goes to show that we are lucky that the virus appears to be relatively non-lethal. Some day, of course, there will be something as (or more) virulent and with a much higher mortality rate. Something has to shift in how meat industry operates across the world before it is too late.

Yep. Bats need to be off the menu.

[TSC]

The last few days have been pretty grim. Its surely only a matter of time until there are really severe travel restrictions across much of Western Europe.

Could be.  Aside from government level I’d assume some companies may be making decisions re employee travel.

[killer-heels]

Could be.  Aside from government level I’d assume some companies may be making decisions re employee travel.

I have tickets booked for the States for the end of March. God knows what the situation will be by then.

[TSC]

I have tickets booked for the States for the end of March. God knows what the situation will be by then.

Yep from a personal perspective I’ve hols booked later this year in Italy of all places. Hols were booked in dec.

[Jm55]

I’ve got Glastonbury tickets which is surely one of many events under threat if this continues to develop the way that it has done.

[killer-heels]

I’ve got Glastonbury tickets which is surely one of many events under threat if this continues to develop the way that it has done.

Not that its ever a good time but it could not have been in a worse year with the Euro’s and Olympics, with the latter in Japan.

Lets just win our next 5 games.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Not that its ever a good time but it could not have been in a worse year with the Euro’s and Olympics, with the latter in Japan.

Lets just win our next 5 games.

Again I have no experience or knowledge of this but is it really possible that this lasts up to then? I mean that's 4 to 6 months.

Surely having 4 to 6 months of major restrictions to travel and the general public is just as damaging as the disease itself.

[AndyMuller]

I’m going to Holland in a couple of weeks. Fingers crossed nothing happens there.

[killer-heels]

Austria has now stopped all trains coming out of and going to Italy.

[TSC]

Surely having 4 to 6 months of major restrictions to travel and the general public is just as damaging as the disease itself.

Restrictions will obviously impact life and be uncomfortable for some, but they won’t kill folk.  Whereas the virus may.

[FaitAccompli]

Restrictions will obviously impact life and be uncomfortable for some, but they won’t kill folk.  Whereas the virus may.

I guess they're thinking more of the economic impact that major travel restrictions might have?

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Restrictions will obviously impact life and be uncomfortable for some, but they won’t kill folk.  Whereas the virus may.

I dunno, a ban on travel (and thus imports/exports) would certainly result in deaths, and the effect of no travel on the economy would cause all kinds of issues. Probably bigger issues than the virus.