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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15720 on: March 28, 2018, 11:28:45 am »
Really don't understand the reasoning here. What exactly do you think would have encouraged them to not cheat again? A one match ban?

Probably a medal and a cash prize. Trickle down economics applied to cheating in cricket.
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« Reply #15721 on: March 28, 2018, 11:31:03 am »
This is where the PM can make a difference. He's dug himself into a hole by saying he wants the punishment to fit the crime. If he can still get political gain fro this he'll continue.

I still think that neither Smith or Warner will play for Australia again. Thought that from the first I saw it.

True, the press conference amplified everything, to the point where it becomes an international incident.  The PM of south africa was not required to comment when du plessis was doing all sorts to the ball. But if there was a press conference after that with Amla/morkel et al admitting to knowing what went on, it would have been a bigger issue. Same with Afridi and his shenanigans.

Smith will struggle to play for AUS again, I think, Warner must be toast, they dived in the save bancroft, but ended up burying him.  If they had said nothing he would be looking at demerit points, now he is looking at a new career

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« Reply #15722 on: March 28, 2018, 11:33:58 am »
That's a lengthy ban, no excuses for the players, they got what they deserved.

Still can't fathom how Lehmann didn't know, and some of the points raised by Stuart Broad are still very valid.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15723 on: March 28, 2018, 11:34:18 am »


I still think that neither Smith or Warner will play for Australia again. Thought that from the first I saw it.
That would be crazy. For tampering with the ball? Would they be banned for life if they took a PED?

A year seems excessive. I know cricket likes to play the morality card for everything but still, a year is harsh.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15724 on: March 28, 2018, 11:37:57 am »
Really don't understand the reasoning here. What exactly do you think would have encouraged them to not cheat again? A one match ban?

With the information that smith voluntered they had to punish him badly.  I just think it's sad, as if Smith was more devious, he would have played dumb and allowed Bancroft to take a likely 1 match ban.

Obviously he wasn't that honest, as he was involved in ball tampering, but after Bancroft got rumbled he had 2 options;

 Honesty/loyalty = 1 yr ban, cunning/craftiness = no punishment

It's a sad reflection of life, that's all.


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« Reply #15725 on: March 28, 2018, 11:39:37 am »
Warner has been thrown under the bus, the bus has reversed over him a few times and has now been set on fire.
Though I find it hard to think that Steve Smith won't be batting in the India test series later this year.

Kinda funny how Lehmann knew absolutely nothing about this though.

Smith and Warner have been banned for 12 months. Bancroft for 9.
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« Reply #15726 on: March 28, 2018, 11:43:38 am »
That would be crazy. For tampering with the ball? Would they be banned for life if they took a PED?

A year seems excessive. I know cricket likes to play the morality card for everything but still, a year is harsh.

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« Reply #15727 on: March 28, 2018, 11:44:01 am »
I would guess that losing out on this year's IPL contracts would hurt them the most to be honest. That's a fucking big hit to take financially.

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« Reply #15728 on: March 28, 2018, 11:45:52 am »
Report says sandpaper, rather than sticky tape, was the substance used.  Possibly a further consideration as to the length of the bans was not being honest about this.
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« Reply #15729 on: March 28, 2018, 11:55:31 am »
Report says sandpaper, rather than sticky tape, was the substance used.  Possibly a further consideration as to the length of the bans was not being honest about this.

Yeah, it's in the statement from CA.

Not really sure why they didn't give the full details about the implement used in the presser - they were already committing hari-kari.

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« Reply #15730 on: March 28, 2018, 12:01:42 pm »
Michael Vaughan:

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Steve Smith I think is a good guy who made a huge mistake ... He needed punishing but I think this is too harsh ...

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Vaughan, who captained England to an Ashes series victory in 2005, told BBC Sport: "I cannot think that has been come up with over lunch in Cape Town.

"I look at the amount of tape some of the fielders have worn, particularly during the Ashes series at mid-on and mid-off. You don't have to name names, they know who they are.

"I am pretty sure it was going on throughout the Ashes series - but it was not the reason England lost 4-0. They still would have lost the series."

So the captain of a team you are 'pretty sure' has cheated its way through at least 2 series has been harshly treated by being banned for a year?

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15731 on: March 28, 2018, 12:04:52 pm »
Report says sandpaper, rather than sticky tape, was the substance used.  Possibly a further consideration as to the length of the bans was not being honest about this.

I doubt he was intentionally trying to mislead on that, anyway it was warner who was more directly involved in prepping bancroft according to the statement

I think Smith got done for using the term 'leadership group' when it apparantly consisted of 2 people.  Of course I doubt it did, but Lehmann and probably starc knew there was nothing to gain from admitting to knowing about this. If only smith was this cute

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« Reply #15732 on: March 28, 2018, 12:13:41 pm »
I kind of hope it’s not the end for Warner. Would love to hear the reception for him coming out to bat in a Test at Edgbaston, Old Trafford or Headingley. :D
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« Reply #15733 on: March 28, 2018, 12:17:13 pm »
The word coming out from attached journalists is Warner is architect, the bowlers were unaware, Smith being a little, how do you say, 'STUPID' went along with it. Lehman had no knowledge until he realised what was happening watching on TV.

The bowlers aren't happy with what's happened and weren't aware, i'm not sure if i believe this, but it is believable.

Oh, and Warner has played his last test for Australia and most of Australian cricket is very happy with that. Smith is looking at a year out of contract.

I find it very hard to believe test class bowlers are unaware of abnormal deterioration of a ball. The Saffer comms team had already suspected them of doing something and warned their cameramen that if it started reversing after 25 overs then concentrate on what’s happening with the polishing.

And they don’t address how Bankcroft was alerted by the 12th man.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15734 on: March 28, 2018, 12:22:08 pm »
I find it very hard to believe test class bowlers are unaware of abnormal deterioration of a ball. The Saffer comms team had already suspected them of doing something and warned their cameramen that if it started reversing after 25 overs then concentrate on what’s happening with the polishing.

And they don’t address how Bankcroft was alerted by the 12th man.

It's a whitewash mate. They've even charged Smith with misleading statements to the media, which clearly refers to the "leadership group" statement. I also find it interesting that in his charges, it says "potential plan" rather than "plan" as it does for the other two. I'm absolutely dead certain that CA have cut a deal with Bancroft and Smith to lay the blame squarely on Warner and use Bancroft's inexperience as a reason for his part in it and blame Smith for negligence rather than wilful deceit. I think they'll both be back but Warner won't be back anytime soon. He's clearly been thrown under the bus and prick though he is, I feel bad for him.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15735 on: March 28, 2018, 12:23:23 pm »
I find it very hard to believe test class bowlers are unaware of abnormal deterioration of a ball. The Saffer comms team had already suspected them of doing something and warned their cameramen that if it started reversing after 25 overs then concentrate on what’s happening with the polishing.

And they don’t address how Bankcroft was alerted by the 12th man.

Each team has specialist ball handlers. Bowlers might have input in terms of what they want from the ball - but not outlandish to think that the bowlers don't know what's going on. In this case, was it not found that the attempts to tamper with the ball pretty much failed - and that the umps deemed it okay to continue using the ball in this test? If so the bowlers wouldn't have known what was going on.

As an Aussie, I'm happy with the bans for all three, but pretty pissed off Lehman hasn't been sacked. I don't think that's the last we've heard of it though, I think two or three months down the line, Lehman will be gone for reasons to do with "culture". Think CA don't want the hassle of sacking Lehman and the potential legal ramifications tied with it when there's no conclusive evidence that Lehman was in on the ball tampering.

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« Reply #15736 on: March 28, 2018, 12:27:00 pm »
I sort of like the idea of Warner and Smith heading down to the South African version of B&Q early on the morning of the test, wandering over to the sandpaper section, and asking what size sandpaper could fit in a sunglasses case and wandering out again. While wearing their baggy greens.
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« Reply #15737 on: March 28, 2018, 12:32:00 pm »
If Warner has been thrown under the bus by Cricket Australia, been ostracised by the other players and is generally seen as toast regarding ever playing for his country again, is there any chance he goes away and does an interview blowing the lid off the whole thing in retaliation?  (Assuming that there is more to it i.e it was his plan but coach, bowlers and senior players all knew and were complicit)

Or is his stock now so low that no-one will believe him anyway?

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15738 on: March 28, 2018, 12:32:31 pm »
Personally thought there was an over-reaction over in Australia. I mean what they did is out of order but i thought the Australian PM commenting on it seemed a bit much.

This is a good read and gives an insight as to why there has been such outrage.

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Why is Australia so outraged at Steven Smith's team?

"It's tampering, it happens. Move on. Calls for Smith to be sacked - how many captains would've been sacked over the years if everyone did that?"

A cricket-writing colleague, not from Australia, asked me that question on Sunday. It was a valid query. Ball-tampering does happen in cricket, probably a lot more than anyone outside the game realises. Players have been sanctioned for it before. In the ICC's Code of Conduct it is ranked at the same level as making a seriously obscene gesture, and is less grave than intimidating an umpire. The maximum penalty is a fine and suspension for one Test, which Steven Smith received and Cameron Bancroft did not.

So, why is that not the end of the story? Why was there such widespread national outrage over an incident that cricket's governing body views as only of moderate severity?

To answer a question with another question, what do they know of Australia who only Australian cricket know?

To understand the public response, and why the incident touched such a nerve, you need to understand the role sport has always played in Australia's national identity. Indeed, since before we even had a nation with which to identify.

This is a young country - Australia's states did not join together in federation until 1901. But Dave Gregory had taken office as Australia's first Test captain in 1877, 24 years before Edmund Barton became our first prime minister.

Edwin Flack won Australia two Olympic gold medals before Australia existed as a nation, and Australia has prided itself on punching far above its weight in Olympic competition ever since.
The first Australian to win a world championship in any sport, rower Ned Trickett, was welcomed home by a crowd of 25,000 people when he returned to Sydney after winning the World Sculling Championship in England in 1876.

More sportspeople have been named Australian of the Year than individuals from any other broad field of endeavour.

It is written into national legislation that no company can name itself after Don Bradman without government permission. The only other person with such name protection is Australia's first Catholic saint, Mary MacKillop.

When Cadel Evans became Australia's first Tour de France winner in 2011, he was a national hero, not least because he was clean in a sport rife with cheating.

This is the context in which the country's response to the ball-tampering incident must be viewed. Rightly or wrongly, our sportspeople have historically stood on pedestals far greater than any other members of our society. And the primary obligation the public asks in return is simple: don't cheat. Don't abuse our trust.

Sometimes our sporting stars behave detestably, and are rightly castigated. Our cricketers are no exception. They say they do not cross "the line", while the rest of us wonder where the hell it is. Of course, like any line in the sand, it washes away with the tide, to be redrawn wherever it suits at the time.

The Australian public has a line, too. And with their culture of sledging, whingeing, hypocrisy and arrogance, our cricketers have been head-butting it for so long that they have become an insufferable national migraine.

So when Bancroft was seen cheating, by rubbing the ball with a shred of yellow tape, and then hiding the offending item in his jocks like a naughty schoolboy, there was no sympathy. An already frustrated nation was now also losing its trust in the team, and that trust irretrievably shattered when Smith admitted that this was a premeditated act, cooked up by the team leadership group at the lunch break.

The public response in Australia was swift and overwhelming, and came from the Prime Minister down. Opportunistic politicians joined the pile-on, but there was already an enormous bandwagon on which to leap. The Australian public feels ownership of the cricket team that represents their country, and Sunday was like a nationwide fire-sale. Condemnation is to be expected of a national side caught cheating, but the widespread nature of the reactions, and the lack of dissenting voices, tells a story about how this team is viewed.

A sprinkling of ex-players have said that ball-tampering is rife at all levels of the game, and that nobody can plead ignorance. That might be true of professional cricketers, and even of many club players. But this is not about them. It is about representing 25 million people and thus being held to higher standards. It is about the fans who trusted the wrong people.

There is no sight in cricket quite like reverse swing, that late tail in, the stumps cartwheeling. But like a steak-lover who turns vegetarian after a visit to the abattoir, the average Australian cricket fan would be happy never to see reverse swing again, now that they have witnessed for themselves what goes into it. The challenge for Australian cricket is to stop fans abstaining from the team entirely.

To hear the doyen of Australian cricket commentators, the ABC's Jim Maxwell, becoming emotional on radio while saying that he could not remember ever feeling as disappointed in an Australian team as now, told of the gravity of the situation. The players involved should be forced to listen to that audio as part of their punishment.

And nobody in the Australian squad who knew about the plan beforehand can play in the next Test in Johannesburg. It would be utterly unconscionable. What sort of leaders not only hatch a plan like this, but have the team's most junior member take all the risk? That is not leadership, it is cowardice. Even if Bancroft was not asked to tamper, but simply overheard the discussion and took it upon himself, responsibility is still on the captain. It was cricket's equivalent of loudly asking: "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

And that is why Smith's position as captain is now untenable. Captaining Australia is not a right, it is a privilege, and a responsibility, and one that cannot be given to anyone who was part of this. As for the coach Darren Lehmann, even if he didn't know about the plan - and that is hard to believe - he has fostered whatever sorry culture brought the dressing room to this point. He cannot realistically stay on either.

History tells us that the outcry will eventually die down, but it will take time. Smith will lose the captaincy and serve a ban, probably a short one, but he will return to the side, and will, hopefully, over time earn the nation's forgiveness. So too the other players involved. The stain will never fully disappear, but it will fade.

Shane Warne was suspended for a year for taking a banned diuretic. Warne and Mark Waugh were the subjects of public shame for providing pitch and weather information to a bookmaker. These incidents were dubiously explained away by naivete. Greg Chappell ordered his brother Trevor to bowl underarm, which was within the laws of the game, and in later years admitted that at the back end of a stressful and demanding season, he had not been mentally fit to be captain. The incidents are remembered with distaste, but the men involved are not outcasts.

Outcasts certainly emerged from the biggest recent controversy in Australian sport, an AFL scandal involving the Essendon club and their practice of injecting their players with banned peptides. Players served bans and the coach, James Hird, previously considered of unimpeachable character, eventually lost his job and was effectively shunned by the sport. In 2017, four years after the scandal emerged, he was hospitalised for a suspected drug overdose.

That is in part a reflection of how premeditated cheating is viewed in Australia, but also the way social media and the 24-hour news cycle magnifies events. Jon Ronson's excellent 2015 book, So You've Been Publicly Shamed, examines how social media has led to a return of the days of public shaming. Twitter pile-ons bring out the worst kind of mob mentality, and can lead to a loss of all sense of proportion. Suggestions of life bans fall firmly in that category. There will be official sanctions, but the unofficial punishments - shame and humiliation - will hurt the most.

It is worth noting that in the lead-up to the Cape Town Test, Smith actually admitted that his mind was not in a good place. His comments were in specific relation to his batting struggles, but with hindsight, it is hard not to wonder if the words had a wider meaning: "I didn't feel I was hitting the ball that well [during the summer] but my mind was in a good place. Maybe now my mind is not in as good a space as it was."

It will hardly be in a better space after the past two days. While Cricket Australia has a responsibility to punish the players involved, it also has some responsibility for their welfare while doing so. These are young men who made a stupid mistake and must pay the price, but in the process they cannot be left without support.

Still, in the here and now, this scandal is bigger than just cricket. It goes to the heart of Australian national identity. Australia's cricket team is older than the country itself and historically, cricket has been the team sport with the greatest nationwide support in Australia. The public response reflects this affection. Short bans and a loss of leadership positions are the appropriate response. The written Laws of Cricket might tolerate Smith and Lehmann staying on as captain and coach, but the unwritten rules of Australia will not.

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« Reply #15739 on: March 28, 2018, 12:43:05 pm »
If Warner has been thrown under the bus by Cricket Australia, been ostracised by the other players and is generally seen as toast regarding ever playing for his country again, is there any chance he goes away and does an interview blowing the lid off the whole thing in retaliation?  (Assuming that there is more to it i.e it was his plan but coach, bowlers and senior players all knew and were complicit)

Or is his stock now so low that no-one will believe him anyway?

My impression is that he is persona non grata here. Not many liked him firstly but tolerated him because he was such a good player. But now that he's been painted as the chief architect behind this scam, he's pretty much dead to the rest of the country. He might as well move to the country and start stacking shelves at Woolworths again, but I doubt they'll have him back.
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« Reply #15740 on: March 28, 2018, 12:44:17 pm »
My impression is that he is persona non grata here. Not many liked him firstly but tolerated him because he was such a good player. But now that he's been painted as the chief architect behind this scam, he's pretty much dead to the rest of the country. He might as well move to the country and start stacking shelves at Woolworths again, but I doubt they'll have him back.
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« Reply #15741 on: March 28, 2018, 12:49:04 pm »
Interesting conspiracy theories re Warner @jooney, but do you think perhaps, it's likely that the scumbag that he is, he was indeed the architect of this, rather than any grand conspiracy by CA?

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« Reply #15742 on: March 28, 2018, 01:01:45 pm »
Interesting conspiracy theories re Warner @jooney, but do you think perhaps, it's likely that the scumbag that he is, he was indeed the architect of this, rather than any grand conspiracy by CA?

I don't doubt he was integrally involved and was the architect behind it. I just don't think Smith, Lehmann and some of the other senior players are totally naive about it. If anything, I believe Smith's version about the leadership group. I think Smith thought he might get a slap on the wrist and then move on judging by all the things he said there. CA are saying that Handscombe was asked to check on what was going on the field by Lehmann. But the clip where Bancroft hides the sandpaper following the walkie-talkie conversation between Handscombe and Lehmann looks the opposite and the most incriminating bit of evidence IMO.

Think about it this way, if you were the CEO of CA and had to limit the damage as far as possible, what would you do? My strategy would be to limit the number of players involved. There had to be a minimum of two since Smith confessed and Bancroft is obvious. Smith mentioned a "leadership group". One of that group is a troublemaker. The best outcome would be to pin the blame on the troublemaker, charge the captain with making a misleading statement, negligence, not informing the coach etc and ban both for similar periods. And then leak to the entire Aussie media that the troublemaker is indeed the once that caused all the trouble and that the other players feel betrayed. Begin rehabilitating the captain and star player. In yesterday's Advertiser, the cricket coverage also included a few paragraphs about Smith's dad, Peter, a chemist, doting father and family man. It spoke of his devastation at finding out that Smith had cheated. The tone with Warner was totally different and very much restricted to his role as a bully. The Sydney Morning Herald had a similar piece. The signs all point to a damage limitation exercise and the strategy is a very standard one. Nothing conspiratorial here, just basic PR and damage limitation.


Edit: They've also clearly isolated Warner now. Anything he says will be up against the statements of every other Australian player, coach and support staff. They've fucked him hard here. So even if Warner blows his fuse and goes to the media with his story, first it is unlikely anyone will run it since he is persona non grata now and secondly, if anyone decides to run it and looks to the rest of the team for a counter point, they're all going to come out and squarely pin the blame on Warner. His game is up and I hope for his sake that he has some money saved up and has some sound investments because I can't see him getting much work in the future.
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« Reply #15743 on: March 28, 2018, 01:44:04 pm »
From what I've read Warner will never play for Australia again.

I still think Smith will struggle

I said this from the start. As soon as the the prime minister gets involved you're fucked.

His next statement about the punishments will dictate this. If he thinks the public are a happy with one year he will say nothing.

But I think the Aussies want more !!!

And therefore the PM will go ballistic.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15744 on: March 28, 2018, 02:12:55 pm »
From what I've read Warner will never play for Australia again.

I still think Smith will struggle

I said this from the start. As soon as the the prime minister gets involved you're fucked.

His next statement about the punishments will dictate this. If he thinks the public are a happy with one year he will say nothing.

But I think the Aussies want more !!!

And therefore the PM will go ballistic.


Firstly, politicians shouldn't get involved in sporting matters. Secondly, Warner and Smith have lost over a million each due to having their IPL contracts cancelled for the year and been banned from representing Australia for a long time in sporting terms. That is more than enough in my opinion.
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« Reply #15745 on: March 28, 2018, 02:43:18 pm »
I just feel a bit sorry for Mohammad Amir - a lot younger (18) at the time of his indiscretion - as he didn't seem to get the same sympathy as Bancroft, a 24 year old.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15746 on: March 28, 2018, 02:49:15 pm »
If Warner has been thrown under the bus by Cricket Australia, been ostracised by the other players and is generally seen as toast regarding ever playing for his country again, is there any chance he goes away and does an interview blowing the lid off the whole thing in retaliation?  (Assuming that there is more to it i.e it was his plan but coach, bowlers and senior players all knew and were complicit)

Or is his stock now so low that no-one will believe him anyway?

I wouldn't believe him.

He has a huge history of being  terrible person
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« Reply #15747 on: March 28, 2018, 02:57:04 pm »
It is absolutely idiotic and deserved punishment
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15748 on: March 28, 2018, 03:11:37 pm »
Interesting conspiracy theories re Warner @jooney, but do you think perhaps, it's likely that the scumbag that he is, he was indeed the architect of this, rather than any grand conspiracy by CA?

Smith is no angel. Still can’t get over the way he refused to withdraw the appeal against Stokes. I don’t like Stokes, but anyone who knows cricket knows the ball was fizzed back at the man rather than the stumps. The umpires looked shocked when the Aussies appealed, and amazed when Smith insisted on it. Someone hurls a ball at you when you are not ready for it, you are going to flap it away from you.

As for people saying bowlers don’t know what is going on. Sorry but anyone who has played knows what bowlers are like about the condition of the ball. When I was a young player, woe betide if the ball was dropped on its way back from the keeper.
Obviously now the fashion is to scuff the ball but even so. And I suppose those bowlers who were reverse hooping it after 20 overs were dead sure it was their natural ability  :D
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15749 on: March 28, 2018, 03:14:56 pm »
I always find it amazing how these things escalate so quickly off the back of one or two bad decisions.

Leaving aside the facts that I think more than these theee were implicit and it seems unlikely it’s The first time they tried it...at lunch on Saturday they discussed the idea of doing this. At that moment they’re probably he’ll bent on winning the game. Probably thought at worst if the umpires got wind of anything they could please ignorance.

Instead it’s caught on camera, bang to rights and Smith felt he had no choice but to come clean. But the way he did it and the tone of it all angered people more and it’s snowballed further from there.

Certainly not defending them, just find it fascinating how quickly this has progressed for a bit of a sporting scandal to international news.

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« Reply #15750 on: March 28, 2018, 03:33:09 pm »
I always find it amazing how these things escalate so quickly off the back of one or two bad decisions.

Leaving aside the facts that I think more than these theee were implicit and it seems unlikely it’s The first time they tried it...at lunch on Saturday they discussed the idea of doing this. At that moment they’re probably he’ll bent on winning the game. Probably thought at worst if the umpires got wind of anything they could please ignorance.

Instead it’s caught on camera, bang to rights and Smith felt he had no choice but to come clean. But the way he did it and the tone of it all angered people more and it’s snowballed further from there.

Certainly not defending them, just find it fascinating how quickly this has progressed for a bit of a sporting scandal to international news.

It's ridiculous if we're honest and the sanctimonious bollocks around cricket is doing my nut in. Nobody should be under the illusion that cricket is different to other sports and is a gentleman's game because it isn't. It hasn't been for a long time. Is it a gentleman's sport when a player whacks it and refuses to walk if the umpire doesn't give them out? Is it a gentleman's game when players claim catches when the ball hasn't carried? Is it a gentleman's game when Warne and Samuels are having it out on the square in a T20 match? Nah, of course not. It's just like any other sport in that the pressure to win will lead players to act in an unacceptable manner. The sooner people can begin to realise cricket isn't different and shouldn't be treated as such, the better.

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« Reply #15751 on: March 28, 2018, 04:23:12 pm »
or maybe they've done it before and all it took was a wink and a nod and there was a contingency plan if caught.

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« Reply #15752 on: March 28, 2018, 04:28:25 pm »
In Aussie sport it's fairly common for our clubs/governing bodies to ban their own superstars if they bring the game into disrepute. A big reason many aussies can't adapt to football with all the divers getting away with it, and then their clubs defending them rather than punishing them. Same with off the field stuff like Giggs and Terry, in Australia those players likely wouldn't be kitting up for a long time when that kind of behaviour started become a topic of discussion.

e.g. I think some A-League clubs have suspended their own players for diving.

So in Australia at least, a 1 year ban for bad behavior is quite standard

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« Reply #15753 on: March 28, 2018, 04:30:52 pm »

Absolute bollocks.

I also find it odd that the quicks were bowling with a ball under two hours old with one side of it feeling like it'd gone through a cheese grater and not thought something odd was happening.
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« Reply #15754 on: March 28, 2018, 05:52:20 pm »
It's positively Shakespearean isn't it? Warner, a man whose past isn't exactly squeaky clean, is the devious mastermind in this plot. His will to win has corrupted him (or was he corrupt to begin with?). Bancroft, the naive 24 year old ( :P) follows the instructions of his hero without question and Smith, the somewhat dimwitted star player and captain, cottons on too late to this scheme, tries to cover it up but in the end must fall stoically on his sword. The stage, a team dressing room no bigger than a decent sized apartment, filled with about 30 other people who are oblivious to the play at hand.

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« Reply #15755 on: March 28, 2018, 06:11:38 pm »
One year later and after serving the ban, people will forget.

Who remembers Sachin Tendulkar was also guilty of the same charge? Now people remember him as a great.

Sharapova took performance enhancing drugs and her return to tennis was celebrated in America. Likewise with Serena Williams after racially abusing a linesman.

Sports has a very short memory. All Smith has to do is a hit a few sixes for them, do a few PR to show repentance and all is forgiven.

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« Reply #15756 on: March 28, 2018, 06:17:31 pm »
People won't forget especially the barmy army, you can imagine what The Ashes next year is going to be like if Steve Smith is selected, don't think Warner will play for Australia again he's far to toxic, it's not just this, but combination of unsavoury incidents involving him over the years.
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« Reply #15757 on: March 28, 2018, 06:35:23 pm »
People won't forget especially the barmy army, you can imagine what The Ashes next year is going to be like if Steve Smith is selected, don't think Warner will play for Australia again he's far to toxic, it's not just this, but combination of unsavoury incidents involving him over the years.

Even Aussies never truly warm to Warner. Toxic fella.

Steve Smith career is still salvageable. He has at least 3-4 more ashes lifespan in him. He has the highest runs without the ball tapering so he is still highly marketable and the sponsors and Cricket Australia won't let the opportunity slide. Shane Warne was involved in match fixing, drugs and all kinds of off-the-field shit and within a year was the face of estate agencies, wines, homewares and all that shit.


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« Reply #15758 on: March 28, 2018, 07:34:34 pm »
Can't say I feel sorry for them, especially Warner , a long series of questionable behaviour.
At least it stops SSN talking constantly about this weekend's fight, jeez they ain't half milking that.
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« Reply #15759 on: March 28, 2018, 08:03:07 pm »
Warner will be back.. not a chance he won’t be.

Smith?

Maybe a bit late?
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