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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15560 on: March 24, 2018, 06:03:08 pm »
Cheats, all the talk about playing the game the right way!

The Aussie media will be all over this. That Handscomb came onto the pitch and seemed to think it was all funny, hope they get banned.

I bet Warner was involved somewhere too.

They mention the "leadership group", what the heck is that!
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15561 on: March 24, 2018, 06:17:00 pm »
CA have got a difficult decision to make. Smith and Lehmann should be sacked, and Bancroft suspended.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15562 on: March 24, 2018, 06:17:05 pm »
It's true all right.

Tbf it was before she married wee Davey

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15563 on: March 24, 2018, 06:29:19 pm »
Just saw the incident and the subsequent presser.

All the contrition is bogus in my opinion. They had no option given they were caught red-handed. Aussie hypocrisy I’m afraid. And do I believe Smith when he stated Lehmann wasn’t involved?

Nope.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15564 on: March 24, 2018, 06:30:25 pm »
This is serious shit. Smith should be sacked.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15565 on: March 24, 2018, 06:31:19 pm »
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15566 on: March 24, 2018, 06:37:03 pm »
The Aussie explanations are pathetically weak. It almost sounds like an accident when you hear what Smith has to say.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15567 on: March 24, 2018, 06:46:03 pm »
This is serious shit. Smith should be sacked.

Boof the boorish twat should be the fall guy. Very much doubt he didn’t know.

And Smith claiming it’s the first time they’ve done it seems dodgy. First time and they got caught, but unlucky that.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15568 on: March 24, 2018, 06:50:59 pm »
Cheating fuckers.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15569 on: March 24, 2018, 07:07:52 pm »
Has been one ugly series this.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15570 on: March 24, 2018, 07:30:37 pm »
It's obvious from the footage that Boof was involved. The whole team will have known and if I were to guess it probably came from Boof. He has the win at any costs mentality.

Heavy heavy bans should be forthcoming. The Aussie press will be after Smith and Boof. The team is not particularly well liked for the way they play their cricket at home as it is.

There was also a period in play after tea when Smith went off for a while (was during the Faf wicket) bet they were getting their stories straight.

The hilarious part is if Smith is hounded out they will end up with the bastion of fair play and total shit for brains Warner in charge.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15571 on: March 24, 2018, 07:42:56 pm »
Warner has to be one of the people involved too, what gets me is seeing Handscomb grinning in the stands when they got caught and doing the same when he came out to tell Bancroft.

Be very interesting to see the reception they get tomorrow.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15572 on: March 24, 2018, 07:48:39 pm »
Warner has to be one of the people involved too, what gets me is seeing Handscomb grinning in the stands when they got caught and doing the same when he came out to tell Bancroft.

Be very interesting to see the reception they get tomorrow.

I doubt many will be grinning tomorrow though. The backlash from this is going to be fierce.

I wonder if it might be the beginning of the end for this "win at all costs" mentality that's been in Aussie cricket culture for so long now. It's quite the slippery slope to go from sledging to admitting to cheating.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15573 on: March 24, 2018, 07:51:35 pm »
Honestly think ball tampering should be legalised. Cricket is more fun when it's a bowler's game anyway.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15574 on: March 24, 2018, 07:54:18 pm »
Warner has to be one of the people involved too, what gets me is seeing Handscomb grinning in the stands when they got caught and doing the same when he came out to tell Bancroft.

Be very interesting to see the reception they get tomorrow.

Brettig on Cricinfo is naming the Leadership group as Smith, Warner, Lyon, Starc and Hazelwood.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15575 on: March 24, 2018, 07:58:40 pm »
Brettig on Cricinfo is naming the Leadership group as Smith, Warner, Lyon, Starc and Hazelwood.

My guess earlier was Smith, Warner, Lyon and Starc.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15576 on: March 24, 2018, 07:58:42 pm »
Loads was made of how much Smith and Bancroft we’re giggling through that press conference in Brisbane.

Have to say I found the one today a whole lot funnier although they didn’t look to be enjoying it quite so much. Shame that.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15577 on: March 24, 2018, 08:23:41 pm »
Part of the investigation needs to be an honest and retrospective examination of if and when they’ve used this tactic before.

Don’t want to sound like I’m sitting with my tin hat on, but Starc has long been one of the most successful and dramatic reverse swingers of the ball. Correlation and causation?

Aussie press will tear them a new one.

Should be boof and smith at least, gone.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15578 on: March 24, 2018, 08:35:47 pm »
Part of the investigation needs to be an honest and retrospective examination of if and when they’ve used this tactic before.

Don’t want to sound like I’m sitting with my tin hat on, but Starc has long been one of the most successful and dramatic reverse swingers of the ball. Correlation and causation?

Aussie press will tear them a new one.

Should be boof and smith at least, gone.

To be fair to Starc if extravagant swing can be achieved by rubbing the ball against an abrasive, uneven surface he could just claimed he rubbed it against his face.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15579 on: March 24, 2018, 09:18:29 pm »
Who was the Aussie in the commentary team when the footage of the down trouser happens? He’s doing the whole “aw naw meete, waraya deing” in the background

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15580 on: March 24, 2018, 09:25:52 pm »
Who was the Aussie in the commentary team when the footage of the down trouser happens? He’s doing the whole “aw naw meete, waraya deing” in the background

Sounds like either Gazza or Geoff from Byker Grove.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15581 on: March 24, 2018, 09:43:36 pm »
Who was the Aussie in the commentary team when the footage of the down trouser happens? He’s doing the whole “aw naw meete, waraya deing” in the background

Brendan Julian unless it was Warne.

Edit just watched it back here http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/31676/11302333/hit-for-six-dominic-cork-on-australia-ball-tampering-and-englands-batting-collapse BJ is commentating but I think it's Warne in the background.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15582 on: March 24, 2018, 10:04:47 pm »
Accusations of cheating have persisted around this Australian team for a couple of years now and while those claims remain to be proven, they've been caught red-handed here. It must just be a brain fade from Smith though.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15583 on: March 24, 2018, 10:07:35 pm »
Australia should forfeit the test, Smith should be sacked, Bancroft given a ban, completely shameful.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15584 on: March 24, 2018, 10:09:43 pm »
Should be a lengthy ban from all forms of the game for Smith and Bancroft.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15585 on: March 24, 2018, 10:11:46 pm »
Did they think it wouldn't be spotted in this day and age? Thick as fuck.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15586 on: March 24, 2018, 10:12:20 pm »
I thought this series had been good for test cricket up until today. It'd become too friendly with players joining forces in domestic T20 franchises across the world, but there's been some proper needle in this. Smith and Bancroft should be having some time away from the game though.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15587 on: March 24, 2018, 10:37:36 pm »
To be fair to Starc if extravagant swing can be achieved by rubbing the ball against an abrasive, uneven surface he could just claimed he rubbed it against his face.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15588 on: March 24, 2018, 10:38:03 pm »
Smith has to go as captain. As for Bancroft, it funny that he's recently taken up the ball polishing duties from Warner. Maybe, they thought best a junior (8 test) player get busted then Warner who'd lose any chance of becoming captain in the future.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15589 on: March 24, 2018, 10:38:31 pm »
What happens to the "leadership" team? Clearly, this wasn't just a spur of the moment thing if they sat and talked about it with the "leadership group".
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15590 on: March 24, 2018, 10:39:29 pm »
Premeditated cheating.  Ban the whole lot of the bastards.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15591 on: March 24, 2018, 11:07:19 pm »
I haven't quite invested or liked this Australian team for a while and I didn't exactly know why. Well the last two tests have given me reasons now. Between the Warner and De Kock incident, Lehmanns comments the other day about the crowd being a 'disgrace', and now this.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15592 on: March 24, 2018, 11:21:20 pm »
Videos now doing the rounds of Bancroft putting what seems to be sugar in his pocket before coming out against England in January.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15593 on: March 25, 2018, 12:21:16 am »
Rob Key absolutely murdering smith on the NZ-eng  day 4 preview on sky.

- aus have dished it out to everyone over the last year and think they’re bigger than the rules and codes of conduct of the sport
- Bancroft/smith bairstow press conference was bad taste
- Lyon saying he’s ending careers
- boof asking Aussie fans to send broad home crying then cricket aus writing letters to cricket sa about crowd abuse
- warner qdk tunnel incident, Warner dishing it out often but not being able to take it
- cricket aus twitter feed when jimmy was taking the mud off the ball

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15594 on: March 25, 2018, 02:21:34 am »
ACA CEO James Sutherland is doing a press conference right now:
- head of integrity of the ACA Ian Roy is going to South Africa to conduct an investigation
- said it’s shameful and shocking, disappointing that Australian team has done this
- element of process needs to be taken into account before they make final decisions
- Aussie media was quite persistent - were asking flat question of ‘was Australia caught cheating’ he wouldn’t flat out say yes
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« Reply #15595 on: March 25, 2018, 02:24:55 am »
Sounds to me like there’s a complete chasm between the insular squad, coaches and then the wider CA hierarchy.

CA sending out investigators immediately to get the info they need and to follow “process”.

Longer they leave it, worse it gets. Can’t see anyway that smith, Lehman and potentially others will be stood down. Aussie public and media are infuriated.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15596 on: March 25, 2018, 02:38:32 am »
What a dreadful press conference, trying to be all righteous about it.

Smith will lose captaincy at the bare minimum for this plus probably bans for the rest of his leadership gang. Aussie papers already tearing into him and rightly so
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« Reply #15597 on: March 25, 2018, 02:40:15 am »
The fall out has got me thinking about the response to this act of cheating from the wider community. I did a quick scan on Twitter and while I haven't quantified it, I saw loads of responses talking about the undercurrent of racism in Cricket. If a subcontinental team did this, the focus would be on how there is a culture of bending the rules there but it seems that the focus is now on the shame brought to the baggy green cap, which apparently stands for fair but aggressive play.

People like Shane Warne, who was once banned for taking illegal substances, are now admonishing the current bunch for bringing shame to the game. There are things said about how the great Australian teams of the past were hard but fair. Really? Because throughout my life at least, I only remember a bunch of bullies that repeatedly pushed the envelope when it came to sledging or abuse on the field but immediately turned around and whined about "lines" as soon as it was returned. Dominic Cork seems to think similarly. In fact, most ex-players seem to think similarly when it comes to their cricket team; see the likes of Boucher and Smith for examples.

So why does this image of the Australian team being hard but fair continue to persist? Recent history suggests the opposite and confirms that they've dropped the ball here but are going for a swift apology towards immediately sweeping the skeletons under the carpet. I don't think they're getting hammered hard enough given their terrible behaviour for years and the added sanctimony from not just the teams and administrators but the wider community including parts of the media such as Channel 9. Hopefully, once the cricketers themselves are punished for their cheating, there will be a longer look at the culture across cricket as a whole.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15598 on: March 25, 2018, 02:52:31 am »
Smith’s the victim here don’t forget.

“If we got a better pay deal, we might’ve actually been able to afford real sandpaper,” he said.

“But that’s beside the point. I’d like to take this opportunity to apologise to Australia for getting caught. I understand that cheating is fine if you don’t get caught. Everybody does it so I don’t know why everybody is so upset with me? Getting caught is far worse than cheating in the first place. I can only get for forgiveness.”

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15599 on: March 25, 2018, 02:55:25 am »
The fall out has got me thinking about the response to this act of cheating from the wider community. I did a quick scan on Twitter and while I haven't quantified it, I saw loads of responses talking about the undercurrent of racism in Cricket. If a subcontinental team did this, the focus would be on how there is a culture of bending the rules there but it seems that the focus is now on the shame brought to the baggy green cap, which apparently stands for fair but aggressive play.

People like Shane Warne, who was once banned for taking illegal substances, are now admonishing the current bunch for bringing shame to the game. There are things said about how the great Australian teams of the past were hard but fair. Really? Because throughout my life at least, I only remember a bunch of bullies that repeatedly pushed the envelope when it came to sledging or abuse on the field but immediately turned around and whined about "lines" as soon as it was returned. Dominic Cork seems to think similarly. In fact, most ex-players seem to think similarly when it comes to their cricket team; see the likes of Boucher and Smith for examples.

So why does this image of the Australian team being hard but fair continue to persist? Recent history suggests the opposite and confirms that they've dropped the ball here but are going for a swift apology towards immediately sweeping the skeletons under the carpet. I don't think they're getting hammered hard enough given their terrible behaviour for years and the added sanctimony from not just the teams and administrators but the wider community including parts of the media such as Channel 9. Hopefully, once the cricketers themselves are punished for their cheating, there will be a longer look at the culture across cricket as a whole.

There's quite a few people in Australia who don't like some of the personalities in this squad and haven't since the last of the golden generation retired. I think the press over there (and internationally) will hammer them. None of the brief stuff I've read online suggests anyone is talking about bringing "shame to the baggy green" and all that nonsense just accepting what happened was wrong and heads should roll
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