Topic: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)

[SamLad]

Jota is our best finisher in the side and can also play wide. We have really missed him over the last couple
Of months and we have created a lot of chances recently without finishing them and I think Jota would have had a Hatful of goals if he was fit over the last 8 weeks.

our last 10 PL games:
Chelsea-Arsenal-Burnley-Brentford-Luton
-- Scored 16 Conceded 7
Forest-MC-Brighton-SU-MU
-- Scored 8 Conceded 5

Defense doesn't seem to be the problem, but goal production is way off. Jota would absolutely have helped recently.

[Eeyore]

Don’t agree with you here at all. Jota is our best finisher in the side and can also play wide. We have really missed him over the last couple
Of months and we have created a lot of chances recently without finishing them and I think Jota would have had a Hatful of goals if he was fit over the last 8 weeks.

Is that recency bias though mate. Would you have said the same when Jota went 32 games between goals?

I think he is a terrific player. Really intelligent and has great movement and when he is on a goal streak is a fantastic finisher. I just struggle to see where he starts for us though. For me he is a half and half player. His best position is between the lines in between being a left sided attacker and nine but without the full skillset to nail down a starting spot in either position.

He tends to drift inside when played wide left and he doesn't have the blistering pace to play as an out and out 9. It is great that he is back and adds to the forward options we have. However for me Diaz, Nunez and Salah our still our most rounded attack.

[Sheer Magnetism]

Is that recency bias though mate. Would you have said the same when Jota went 32 games between goals?

He has 40 in 95 for us in the league, a far better scoring record than anyone in the squad bar Salah - so is that run really remotely indicative of his overall form for us?

He tends to drift inside when played wide left and he doesn't have the blistering pace to play as an out and out 9. It is great that he is back and adds to the forward options we have. However for me Diaz, Nunez and Salah our still our most rounded attack.

He doesn't need pace to play as an out and out nine, certainly not compared to playing as a wide forward. It's why wide forwards typically move more central as they get older. And we certainly aren't Man United, constantly trying to get goals on the break. Not to mention he's probably the best presser of our forwards. For me, fitness is just the big issue, but maybe it isn't as big a deal in a squad with five forwards. I know we have different views on this but I'd be disappointed if he moves on this summer.

[Eeyore]

He has 40 in 95 for us in the league, a far better scoring record than anyone in the squad bar Salah - so is that run really remotely indicative of his overall form for us?
He doesn't need pace to play as an out and out nine, certainly not compared to playing as a wide forward. It's why wide forwards typically move more central as they get older. And we certainly aren't Man United, constantly trying to get goals on the break. Not to mention he's probably the best presser of our forwards. For me, fitness is just the big issue, but maybe it isn't as big a deal in a squad with five forwards. I know we have different views on this but I'd be disappointed if he moves on this summer.

Fuck me the Jota could of been sold last summer is going to haunt me.

Luckily I have never made any other comments that people constantly bring up.

I think things have changed and that all bets are off until we bring in a new manager. Look for me Jota is a brilliant footballer. I just don't think he really fitted for a Klopp side. You make a good point about pace not being a necessity for a 9. There are a couple of counterarguments though.

Klopp's counter-pressing mean we really do need explosive pace somewhere in the front three. The other thing something that is often missed is that the 9 or false 9 role is one of the few areas in our side that we can add height. Something that is necessary in both boxes. Jota is brilliant at finding space and attacking the ball in the air but he doesn't have the height to compete with the oppositions biggest players. 

[Sheer Magnetism]

Fuck me the Jota could of been sold last summer is going to haunt me.

Luckily I have never made any other comments that people constantly bring up.

I think things have changed and that all bets are off until we bring in a new manager. Look for me Jota is a brilliant footballer. I just don't think he really fitted for a Klopp side. You make a good point about pace not being a necessity for a 9. There are a couple of counterarguments though.

Klopp's counter-pressing mean we really do need explosive pace somewhere in the front three. The other thing something that is often missed is that the 9 or false 9 role is one of the few areas in our side that we can add height. Something that is necessary in both boxes. Jota is brilliant at finding space and attacking the ball in the air but he doesn't have the height to compete with the oppositions biggest players.

100% on this, and I think some people could be very surprised by who's in the team by the end of next season and who's in line to leave, especially if we're switching the shape of the team round.

But in general, I don't think the height thing is necessarily that important, especially given Jota is so good in the air and we have the likes of Nunez, Gakpo and Szoboszlai in there. I'd rather have someone who can finish reliably and pick up balls in the box, which Jota does really well and which we've missed to a large extent when he hasn't been in the team.

[Eeyore]

100% on this, and I think some people could be very surprised by who's in the team by the end of next season and who's in line to leave, especially if we're switching the shape of the team round.

But in general, I don't think the height thing is necessarily that important, especially given Jota is so good in the air and we have the likes of Nunez, Gakpo and Szoboszlai in there. I'd rather have someone who can finish reliably and pick up balls in the box, which Jota does really well and which we've missed to a large extent when he hasn't been in the team.

I think the height thing is crucial, especially towards the end of games. If you are 1-0 up seeing a game out then we could easily end up with Elliott replacing Szobo, Salah tends to stay on, if you want a Nunez, Jota, Salah front three then the logical thing is to bring on Diaz for Nunez.

That then leaves you with Diaz, Jota, Salah, Elliott, Robbo and Macca defending set pieces against teams that are going to load the box.

I think it is telling that during Klopp's time we have generally played with Firmino, Nunez or Gakpo as the 9 false 9.   

[alonsoisared]

Made up he's back.

But I saw the pictures? FFS knew it was too good to be true.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

I don't really care when the point was originally made; proposing selling Jota is an idiotic idea, whether raised at a drunk after-party in July or a coffee bar in Amsterdam in November.

[Redley]

I don't really care when the point was originally made; proposing selling Jota is an idiotic idea, whether raised at a drunk after-party in July or a coffee bar in Amsterdam in November.

Well no but you were criticising a post from last summer, and then referencing someone elses form from this season Do you not...no don't worry carry on.

[fowlermagic]

Great news and hope he's ready to hit the ground running as we have missed him. His goals per minutes is crazy this season up there with Salah, who also has missed a chunk of the season due to injuries and international football. If those two had been here for nearly every game this season we be six points to the good at least and still in the FA Cup.

[na fir dearg]

It doesn't matter if he starts or not, he's an incredible player to bring into a game if we are struggling to score, we could also rotate between him and Diaz

[JackWard33]

Why did our most clinical player miss a header from 5 yards last night?

[kaesarsosei]

Yes he had a bad miss, but he looked incredibly sharp for his first game in 2 months and nearly won a penalty with his first touch.

[JackWard33]

Yes he had a bad miss, but he looked incredibly sharp for his first game in 2 months and nearly won a penalty with his first touch.

Yes exactly ….  He looked sharp …. He’s a very good forward .,, but he still missed a fantastic chance …
Come on we’re so close on this one people

[AndyMuller]

Why did our most clinical player miss a header from 5 yards last night?

The one who has only just came back from injury?

What about the 'chaotic' one who done fuck all except be stupid as usual.

[Pistolero]

Why did our most clinical player miss a header from 5 yards last night?

Have a guess....go on, you can do it....

[RyanBabel19]

Why did our most clinical player miss a header from 5 yards last night?

Because most clinical doesn’t mean doesn’t ever miss nor does it account for mitigating factors like months out with injury

The most clinical player on earth misses headers from 5 yards out. Haaland missed a shot from a few yards out the other day… in fact he didn’t just miss a shot… he missed the ball completely

No one has said Jota wont or doesn’t miss, or he’ll come back and score every single change, just that we look more lethal with him in the side, he gets into good positions and he’s a great finisher, which part of that isn’t true?

Why do you seem elated that he missed so you could drag up a point on something no one even said?

[amir87]

He's the last player that should be singled out off the back of yesterday's debacle.

[PEG2K]

Yes exactly ….  He looked sharp …. He’s a very good forward .,, but he still missed a fantastic chance …
Come on we’re so close on this one people

Just say it. The reason you bring up Jota missing that header is because you're on a whataboutism quest to defend Nunez.

You asked a question you already knew the answer. What's the point you're trying to push here, aside from all strikers miss chances? Which means your two posts should be in the Nunez thread instead.

This has become a common theme for the Nunez lovers on this forum. Bring our other forwards down so Nunez looks better. There's a guy who questioned Gakpo for not having a shot yesterday. And there's another guy who said Jota earning a penalty doesn't count as his contribution. It's really tiresome.

[RyanBabel19]

Just say it. The reason you bring up Jota missing that header is because you're on a whataboutism quest to defend Nunez.

This has become a common theme for the Nunez lovers on this forum. Bring our other forwards down so Nunez looks better. There's a guy who questioned Gakpo for not having a shot yesterday. And there's another guy who said Jota earning a penalty doesn't count as his contribution. It's really tiresome.

Some

There’s still plenty of us who rate and have huge faith in Nunez and dont bring down to others to elevate him

[PEG2K]

Some

There’s still plenty of us who rate and have huge faith in Nunez and dont bring down to others to elevate him

Ah yeah I meant some. A few to be precise.

[kaesarsosei]

Oh brilliant I made a minor post on a Jota thread and somehow waded into some sort of fucking hidden agenda CIA-blackops type shit around Nunez.

[Redley]

We're talking about who is poorest out of two of the most productive attackers in the league

They're both really good.

[FlashGordon]

Because most clinical doesn’t mean doesn’t ever miss nor does it account for mitigating factors like months out with injury

The most clinical player on earth misses headers from 5 yards out. Haaland missed a shot from a few yards out the other day… in fact he didn’t just miss a shot… he missed the ball completely

No one has said Jota wont or doesn’t miss, or he’ll come back and score every single change, just that we look more lethal with him in the side, he gets into good positions and he’s a great finisher, which part of that isn’t true?

Why do you seem elated that he missed so you could drag up a point on something no one even said?

Someone did say 1 shot 1 goal further back in the thread in fairness.

[JackWard33]

Just say it. The reason you bring up Jota missing that header is because you're on a whataboutism quest to defend Nunez.

You asked a question you already knew the answer. What's the point you're trying to push here, aside from all strikers miss chances? Which means your two posts should be in the Nunez thread instead.

This has become a common theme for the Nunez lovers on this forum. Bring our other forwards down so Nunez looks better. There's a guy who questioned Gakpo for not having a shot yesterday. And there's another guy who said Jota earning a penalty doesn't count as his contribution. It's really tiresome.

You've got the wrong guy
I love Jota - I think he's fantastic and should start in our first 11 over Diaz

My quest is to stop people thinking 'clincial' is something that means you don't miss chances and that finishing is the difference between forwards or why forwards have value

[kvarmeismydad]

Him being back is a lovely positive. A striker with an actual brain.

[AndyMuller]

I'd start him through the middle with Diaz and Salah next to him on Sunday.

A player with a brain through the middle works wonders, look at Bobby back in the day.

[killer-heels]

You've got the wrong guy
I love Jota - I think he's fantastic and should start in our first 11 over Diaz

My quest is to stop people thinking 'clincial' is something that means you don't miss chances and that finishing is the difference between forwards or why forwards have value

Those headers were difficult chances to be fair.

[newterp]

Those headers were difficult chances to be fair.

The second header is the one he buries when he's not coming on for the first time in 2 months with 15 mins of total gameplay.

He was excellent in his little cameo. Whole team picked up it seemed.

He's going to have to start as soon as possible. 35 mins on Sunday - and then start on Thursday.

[PEG2K]

You've got the wrong guy
I love Jota - I think he's fantastic and should start in our first 11 over Diaz

My quest is to stop people thinking 'clincial' is something that means you don't miss chances and that finishing is the difference between forwards or why forwards have value

Yeah but you made the first post in this thread after yesterday's game. Before you there was no one criticizing Jota, so why?

[RyanBabel19]

You've got the wrong guy
I love Jota - I think he's fantastic and should start in our first 11 over Diaz

My quest is to stop people thinking 'clincial' is something that means you don't miss chances and that finishing is the difference between forwards or why forwards have value

Please display people thinking this! Who specifically was saying clinical means that?

[Redley]

Can't come back soon enough. 1 shot, 1 goal which is exactly what we need.

[JackWard33]

Yeah but you made the first post in this thread after yesterday's game. Before you there was no one criticizing Jota, so why?

Given my post history and my view of football do you seriously think I was criticizing him for missing the chance?  ...I posted because its instructive that someone whose been constantly described as more clincial than a bleach explosion at a Domestos factory hit a header from 5 yards like his head was made of a 50p piece ... because that's something all forwards do..

To be clear my point is Jota's value is in getting a lot of high value shots (his shot selection is as good as it gets) NOT that he is the 'most clinical' finisher

[Yorkykopite]

I'd start him through the middle with Diaz and Salah next to him on Sunday.

A player with a brain through the middle works wonders, look at Bobby back in the day.

Me too. He won't be at full throttle, but it'd be good to get some yards in those legs. And even at 75 per cent he offers more than Darwin I think.

[newterp]

Me too. He won't be at full throttle, but it'd be good to get some yards in those legs. And even at 75 per cent he offers more than Darwin I think.

Which will help him get up to speed for Atalanta

[farawayred]

Me too. He won't be at full throttle, but it'd be good to get some yards in those legs. And even at 75 per cent he offers more than Darwin I think.

Agreed. and to add, one aspect of Jota's goals is often overlooked - he often scores the first goal that sets the tone of the game. The first goal may not be the holy grail, it can often be overcome as we know so painfully well, but it is very important IMHO.

[him_15]

Any chance Jota could get some minute on Sunday?

[Historical Fool]

Given my post history and my view of football do you seriously think I was criticizing him for missing the chance?  ...I posted because its instructive that someone whose been constantly described as more clincial than a bleach explosion at a Domestos factory hit a header from 5 yards like his head was made of a 50p piece ... because that's something all forwards do..

To be clear my point is Jota's value is in getting a lot of high value shots (his shot selection is as good as it gets) NOT that he is the 'most clinical' finisher

And I suspect Mrs Gakpo shares the same sentiments as you based on what she’s posting in the Gakpo thread …

[MonsLibpool]

Looks rusty. A match fit Jota scores that.

Our attack improved when he came on

[Mr Dilkington]

My stream died just as he took the shot and never came back up. Obviously he buried it because he's clinical so why are people in the post-match thread saying we lost?

Bit confused. Still, 1-1 feels like a loss.