Topic: The Murder of George Floyd and Black Lives Matter.

[reddebs]

If it's planned shouldn't the club be already taking action then?

And where is it being planned?

Supposedly a 50 odd yr old kop season ticket holder bragging about it happening.  Saying everyone's had enough of the bullshit kneeling and the black lives matter movement so they're taking things into their own hands.


 

[rob1966]

Supposedly a 50 odd yr old kop season ticket holder bragging about it happening.  Saying everyone's had enough of the bullshit kneeling and the black lives matter movement so they're taking things into their own hands.

Hope he gets knocked out and any other soft c*nt who also boos.

ID them on CCTV, strip them of their ST's and ban them from Anfield.

[reddebs]

Hope he gets knocked out and any other soft c*nt who also boos.

ID them on CCTV, strip them of their ST's and ban them from Anfield.

Exactly my feeling Rob. 

It won't be hard with social distancing to know where the boos are coming from so everyone around them needs to get them to shut the fuck up and get them outed of club.

If they really are ST holders they need banning for life.

[Schmidt]

Whatever plans may or may not have been made, fantastic to see the fans shut it all down by cheering and clapping as soon as the first player started to kneel.

[Wilmo]

Whatever plans may or may not have been made, fantastic to see the fans shut it all down by cheering and clapping as soon as the first player started to kneel.

Agreed. Hadn't seen this before the game - if I hadn't seen it now, I would have had no idea anything was planned. Decency and class prevail yet again.

[TSC]

https://news.sky.com/story/black-lives-matter-activist-sasha-johnson-in-critical-condition-after-suffering-gunshot-wound-to-the-head-12315288

[reddebs]

I missed the start of the game due to Paul watching F1 so I'm glad to hear nothing came of it.

[So… Howard Philips]

I missed the start of the game due to Paul watching F1 so I'm glad to hear nothing came of it.

Well at least some Villa fans acted like twats even if it didn't materialise at Anfield

[Commie Bobbie]

https://news.sky.com/story/black-lives-matter-activist-sasha-johnson-in-critical-condition-after-suffering-gunshot-wound-to-the-head-12315288

Hoping that they pull through.

Thinking of their family and friends at this desperate time.

However, the response from the usual pondslime online was and is inevitable.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

She sounds wonderful.

https://youtu.be/ilZJB5vsmq4

Silly woman should've just shut up and know her place,right ?

[naYoRHa2b]

Silly woman should've just shut up and know her place,right ?

Where did I bring her gender and standing in to it?

It's a video and she seems aggresive, ignorant, hypocritical and frankly dangerous. Nothing to do with her sex.

[Escorcio]

Silly woman should've just shut up and know her place,right ?

Definitely should refrain from calling any other black person that disagrees with her coon.

Don't think the fact she is a woman has much to do with it, stop virtue signalling

[Wild Romany Boy]

Definitely should refrain from calling any other black person that disagrees with her coon.

Don't think the fact she is a woman has much to do with it, stop virtue signalling

Stop right there.

They guy responded to the news that a 23 year, in the prime of their life, had been shot (now passed away) with a one minute video to mark her entire life.

If you're saying it's whereangelsplay that is in the wrong here, you can pass me a dictionary without the word 'gullible' in it, because you think I'll believe anything.

[Commie Bobbie]

Stop right there.

They guy responded to the news that a 23 year, in the prime of their life, had been shot (now passed away) with a one minute video to mark her entire life.

If you're saying it's whereangelsplay that is in the wrong here, you can pass me a dictionary without the word 'gullible' in it, because you think I'll believe anything.

Haven't seen anything official to confirm that they have passed away.

I would however say this - when you have racist and fascist scum celebrating such a shooting - I would suggest that people tread very carefully as such language can be construed as giving succour to scum like those celebrating such an act.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Where did I bring her gender and standing in to it?

It's a video and she seems aggresive, ignorant, hypocritical and frankly dangerous. Nothing to do with her sex.

You posted a short clip of an argument that had obviously been going on a lot longer.


Only you know your real motivation for posting it.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Definitely should refrain from calling any other black person that disagrees with her coon.

Don't think the fact she is a woman has much to do with it, stop virtue signalling

Funny guy.

[Escorcio]

If you're saying it's whereangelsplay that is in the wrong here, you can pass me a dictionary without the word 'gullible' in it, because you think I'll believe anything.

I'm not saying either of them is in the wrong or right, but jumping straight to "silly woman" is some identity politics bullshit.

If you're going to attack what he is posted then attack it on its merit, not suggest that it was motivated by the fact she is a woman?

[Wild Romany Boy]

I'm not saying either of them is in the wrong or right, but jumping straight to "silly woman" is some identity politics bullshit.

If you're going to attack what he is posted then attack it on its merit, not suggest that it was motivated by the fact she is a woman?

And that offended you more than an clipped video being put of an argument a 23 year old had, the poster putting it out to say that she was not a nice person, and so, by token of this, is no great loss for having been shot?

Who do you think he is signalling virtue to?

[naYoRHa2b]

You posted a short clip of an argument that had obviously been going on a lot longer.


Only you know your real motivation for posting it.

What was your motive for pointing out she was a woman? I don't really think her sex is relevant beside you trying to personally suggest something else outside of what was in the video.

I posted the video because she doesn't come across very nice, infact she's actually racist and doesn't see the hypocrisy that she can be such a thing because she's addressing another person of colour as a coon. She's also threatening and describes herself as an angry woman which then refered back to as one she takes exception to it, creating a sexist undertone which wasn't there anyway.

If somebody spoke to you in person using aggressive and racial language would it be okay? It comes across as intimidating.

Does she deserve to accidently get shot in the head at a party where a gang rival targeted another gang? No. Does she seems like a nice person?
I'm not really concerned with her activism, she could be an activist or a youtuber. It's hard to have alot of sympathy with somebody/anybody who comes across like they did in that clip.

[Wild Romany Boy]

What was your motive for pointing out she was a woman? I don't really think her sex is relevant beside you trying to personally suggest something else outside of what was in the video.

I posted the video because she doesn't come across very nice, infact she's actually racist and doesn't see the hypocrisy that she can be such a thing because she's addressing another person of colour as a coon. She's also threatening and describes herself as an angry woman which then refered back to as one she takes exception to it, creating a sexist undertone which wasn't there anyway.

If somebody spoke to you in person using aggressive and racial language would it be okay? It comes across as intimidating.

Does she deserve to accidently get shot in the head at a party where a gang rival targeted another gang? No. Does she seems like a nice person?
I'm not really concerned with her activism, she could be an activist or a youtuber. It's hard to have alot of sympathy with somebody/anybody who comes across like they did in that clip.

Because you saw a one minute clip, presented to you either through your own research or as a result of some algorithm that was leading you there (btw, that's worse), you find it hard to have sympathy for someone accidentally shot?

[Escorcio]

Because you saw a one minute clip, presented to you either through your own research or as a result of some algorithm that was leading you there (btw, that's worse), you find it hard to have sympathy for someone accidentally shot?

Out of interest, are you stating that no matter who it is that accidentally gets shot, people should have (and express) sympathy for them?

[Andy82lfc]

Out of interest, are you stating that no matter who it is that accidentally gets shot, people should have (and express) sympathy for them?

Could be wrong but I think he's saying it is very unfair to judge someones entire life/personality/behaviour, based on a 1 minute clip when she was clearly very angry.

[Escorcio]

Could be wrong but I think he's saying it is very unfair to judge someones entire life/personality/behaviour, based on a 1 minute clip when she was clearly very angry.

Give me a one minute clip of Katie Hopkins. It wouldn't matter how angry Katie Hopkins is in the clip, but I'd be able to tell you that she's a twat, and won't have any sympathy for her when she dies

[naYoRHa2b]

Because you saw a one minute clip, presented to you either through your own research or as a result of some algorithm that was leading you there (btw, that's worse), you find it hard to have sympathy for someone accidentally shot?

Your judging me right now. You've insinuated I've come across a video through YouTube or other social media algorithms based on my viewing history.

Why is it wrong to lack sympathy for somebody that talks to another human being in that way. She has no respect for that person to racially abuse them and threaten them with violence. How can you be sympathetic towards somebody like that?

[Wilmo]

Your judging me right now. You've insinuated I've come across a video through YouTube or other social media algorithms based on my viewing history.

Why is it wrong to lack sympathy for somebody that talks to another human being in that way. She has no respect for that person to racially abuse them and threaten them with violence. How can you be sympathetic towards somebody like that?

I guess it's like with Brexit. Not everyone who voted for Brexit was racist, but every racist voted for Brexit. Same principle applies here, I'm sure not everyone who's latching onto a one minute clip to downplay the shooting of a black woman is bigoted, but you can be sure every bigot is doing the same. Depends on the company you want to keep, really.

[naYoRHa2b]

I guess it's like with Brexit. Not everyone who voted for Brexit was racist, but every racist voted for Brexit. Same principle applies here, I'm sure not everyone who's latching onto a one minute clip to downplay the shooting of a black woman is bigoted, but you can be sure every bigot is doing the same. Depends on the company you want to keep, really.

Guess it's good I voted remain then.

Not saying you voted for Brexit, but you are from Wigan.

[Jiminy Cricket]

What was your motive for pointing out she was a woman? I don't really think her sex is relevant beside you trying to personally suggest something else outside of what was in the video.

I posted the video because she doesn't come across very nice, infact she's actually racist and doesn't see the hypocrisy that she can be such a thing because she's addressing another person of colour as a coon. She's also threatening and describes herself as an angry woman which then refered back to as one she takes exception to it, creating a sexist undertone which wasn't there anyway.

There is nothing within the video which defines Sasah Johnson as 'a racist'. You have made the claim, but have provided nothing to substantiate this.

Where did I bring her gender and standing in to it?

It's a video and she seems aggresive, ignorant, hypocritical and frankly dangerous. Nothing to do with her sex.

It was pretty clear from your original comments (and it now seems certain) that your problem with Sasha Johnson is that she was being assertive. Whereangelsplay's original comment about you might have been speculative at the time, but you have yet to provide a believable alternative reading of your comments - his comments now seem to have been bang on the money. I know little to nothing about the woman. But there was nothing 'dangerous' in her comments. What is about her that frightens you so?

Again, I know nothing about Johnson. I am going purely by the video clip you have supplied. But based upon that, you have a strange little problem.

[naYoRHa2b]

There is nothing within the video which defines Sasah Johnson as 'a racist'. You have made the claim, but have provided nothing to substantiate this.It was pretty clear from your original comments (and it now seems certain) that your problem with Sasha Johnson is that she was being assertive. Whereangelsplay's original comment about you might have been speculative at the time, but you have yet to provide a believable alternative reading of your comments - his comments now seem to have been bang on the money. I know little to nothing about the woman. But there was nothing 'dangerous' in her comments. What is about her that frightens you so?

Again, I know nothing about Johnson. I am going purely by the video clip you have supplied. But based upon that, you have a strange little problem.

Nothing frightens me, I just find her use of multiple racial slurs, confrontational attitude and seemingly her ignorance over why it might be an issue dangerous.  I don't find that behaviour assertive, more aggressive actually.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Nothing frightens me, I just find her use of multiple racial slurs, confrontational attitude and seemingly her ignorance over why it might be an issue dangerous.  I don't find that behaviour assertive, more aggressive actually.

It is an old accusation; and dog whistle. A person of colour, or a woman, or worse still, a woman of colour is assertive (or, if you prefer, 'aggressive'*) and it is suddenly a huge and dangerous problem.

* Not that I agree with your characterisation.

[Wilmo]

Guess it's good I voted remain then.

Not saying you voted for Brexit, but you are from Wigan.

You missed the point spectacularly. Well done, soft lad.

EDIT: Actually, I've just realised you've proved my point for me. You've gone out of your way to look into my background in an attempt to discredit me through the lens of your own prejudice. This seems to be a pattern of behaviour for you.

[Jiminy Cricket]

You missed the point spectacularly. Well done, soft lad.

Yep - he did indeed. I saw his comment earlier but thought I'd leave the obvious response to you.

[Mumm-Ra]

1) She comes across terribly in the video, very belligerent and impossible to deal with.
2) It's an edited clip, we have no idea of the context - she might have been responding to a respectful, reasonable person, or she might have been reacting to a right-wing troll who just happens to be black.
3) Regardless it's a tragedy when an innocent bystander gets killed
4) It's poor form to post a video of a murder victim when seemingly the only reason to do so is to make them look bad

With that said, I'd love to know the honest motivation behind a response like this:

Silly woman should've just shut up and know her place, right ?

I mean wtf is that? It's seriously something I'd expect to come out of a Russian troll bot. It's like he's picking numbers out of the culture war bingo machine.

[24/7]

There's a woman critically ill, fighting for her life and some of seem more interested in scoring points over each other.

Fuck's sake......

[So… Howard Philips]

As far as I know Sasha Johnson is still in ICU.

Edit - just saw post above.

[24/7]

With that said, I'd love to know the honest motivation behind a response like this:

I mean wtf is that? It's seriously something I'd expect to come out of a Russian troll bot. It's like he's picking numbers out of the culture war bingo machine.

It's clearly at attempt at irony aimed at the person he quoted. Petty, childish and sarcastic, sure - but not what you seem to be suggesting it is.

It'd be great if everyone would just pack it in and show a bit more compassion.

[Andy82lfc]

Give me a one minute clip of Katie Hopkins. It wouldn't matter how angry Katie Hopkins is in the clip, but I'd be able to tell you that she's a twat, and won't have any sympathy for her when she dies

The basic principle is not judging someone most know nothing about from a one minute clip where she is clearly wound up, not comparing her to someone completely different and of who you know everything about to base it on.
She might be a great woman, a bit of a dick, she might have had a horrible moment, but imo I think it is disgusting to say sod your sympathy if you die based on one clip from her entire life while she sits in hospital having been shot in the head. I mean what the actual fuck.

[Mumm-Ra]

The basic principle is not judging someone most know nothing about from a one minute clip where she is clearly wound up, not comparing her to someone completely different and of who you know everything about to base it on.
She might be a great woman, a bit of a dick, she might have had a horrible moment, but imo I think it is disgusting to say sod your sympathy if you die based on one clip from her entire life while she sits in hospital having been shot in the head. I mean what the actual fuck.

Well put

[naYoRHa2b]

It is an old accusation; and dog whistle. A person of colour, or a woman, or worse still, a woman of colour is assertive (or, if you prefer, 'aggressive'*) and it is suddenly a huge and dangerous problem.

* Not that I agree with your characterisation.

That's fine. If racially abusing somebody (I consider the repeated use of coon to insult someone racial abuse) and threatening them with violence as she clearly did in that video (once again I find telling somebody your going to fuck them up a violent threat) is assertive behaviour to you then fair enough. I consider it something different regardless of what sex or race it's coming from.

[Hij]

Imagine someone getting shot in the head and you have to seek out a video to find a reason to have 'no sympathy' for someone you likely didn't know of yesterday.

People make me sick.

[Wilmo]

The basic principle is not judging someone most know nothing about from a one minute clip where she is clearly wound up, not comparing her to someone completely different and of who you know everything about to base it on.
She might be a great woman, a bit of a dick, she might have had a horrible moment, but imo I think it is disgusting to say sod your sympathy if you die based on one clip from her entire life while she sits in hospital having been shot in the head. I mean what the actual fuck.

Agree with Mumm-Ra, well said.