Topic: Welcome to Liverpool Ryan Jiro Gravenberch

[Funky_Gibbons]

Finally a good Dutch player 

[End Product]

What a guy

Neil Jones
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Gravenberch staying on Merseyside to "focus on his new club"

#LFC

Lovely stuff, a green flag , no panic shelf at aldi kind of fella.

[Samie]

 

Ooh he ain't happy.

Michael Reiziger on Gravenberch:

“I don’t like his choice to stay at Liverpool & I have told him this. If you can join the national team, you do this with your heart, and don’t think about yourself.”

[Samie]

Blue Ron now. 

Koeman: "We are not happy with Ryan Gravenberch refusing to play for his country."

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Ooh he ain't happy.

It's the U21s. Who gives a shit. They shouldn't be calling him up anyway.

Koeman: "I believe you are obliged to play for your country".

Also: "Koeman quits Netherlands to coach Barcelona".

[Lynndenberries]

Think their U21s will cope just fine without him.

[Boaty McBoatface]

Retire from international football Ryan lad. You know it makes sense.

[Samie]

I wonder did these clowns say anything when he was picking out splinters from his arse sitting on the bench of Bayern Munich?

[Samie]

[Red Beret]

Noice!

Two weeks training with most of his new team mates. 

[Dim Glas]

Ooh he ain't happy.

Blue Ron now. 

It’s incredible how people can look for a negative in everything.
He’s 21, he’s just moved to a new club after spending over a year getting very few chances, they should be supportive of this - as long term it surely benefits the dutch team.  They can cope for one international break without one player. Talk about an unecessary bitchfest about what is a sensible decision. Making drama for no reason other than to shitstir in the press.

[Ghost Town]

It’s incredible how people can look for a negative in everything.
He’s 21, he’s just moved to a new club after spending over a year getting very few chances, they should be supportive of this - as long term it surely benefits the dutch team.  They can cope for one international break without one player. Talk about an unecessary bitchfest about what is a sensible decision. Making drama for no reason other than to shitstir in the press.

It's just part of the way everything has to be absolutist these days. There seems little room for considered, thoughtful reactions that take context and other factors into account. A lot of it is driven by 'optics' a notion so dumb it was clearly devised by someone who had been at the other type of optics.

Hmm, does that sound a bit absolutist?

[spider-neil]

Noice!

Two weeks training with most of his new team mates. 

Won’t most of his teammates be on international duty?

[Tobelius]

Finally a good Dutch player 

Good one Robbo 

[disgraced cake]

Blue Ron now. 

Fat fucking nonce

(him, not you  )

[Bennett]

Blue Ron now. 

The same Koeman who fucked Netherlands off for Barca.

[classycarra]

Well in Ryan - one weekend in and he's caused an international incident. Love him already

National FAs - every single one - can all get to absolute fuck. I'll never understand the masochism from footballers as a whole, with the collectivism available to them with their unions, that they still in 2023 tolerate being lorded over by a bunch of old men in suits who never played football.

They're throwing their toys out the pram over not having a substitute available for their Championship level group games (despite dropping him for shite at the world cup) - no sign of compassion from any of his managers (former players too) for him having just arrived in a new city for a new job.

[Red Beret]

Won’t most of his teammates be on international duty?

I know our team is good, but there must be still a few lads knocking around the place!

No need for pressure on the young lad though, it's pointless.

[Scottymuser]

It’s incredible how people can look for a negative in everything.
He’s 21, he’s just moved to a new club after spending over a year getting very few chances, they should be supportive of this - as long term it surely benefits the dutch team.  They can cope for one international break without one player. Talk about an unecessary bitchfest about what is a sensible decision. Making drama for no reason other than to shitstir in the press.

Especially as it *isn't* the Dutch national team that he has pulled out of, but the freaking Under 21s.  I'd have agreed if they called him up for the main squad, but he is already one of the oldest players who was called up - and he isn't going to learn anything playing up against and with younger players, and will not be able to play with them soon.

[RedG13]

Especially as it *isn't* the Dutch national team that he has pulled out of, but the freaking Under 21s.  I'd have agreed if they called him up for the main squad, but he is already one of the oldest players who was called up - and he isn't going to learn anything playing up against and with younger players, and will not be able to play with them soon.

Im pretty sure he eligible for the u21 Euros in 2025, Same with Harvey Elliott

[SamLad]

Nice watch, was nervous just watching him have to go around and settle in. Like first day at a new school when everyone else already knows each other.

Sure he'll feel like he's at home in no time though!

nice to see him go and introduce himself to the ladies at the other table as well.  nice lad.

[Scottymuser]

He will be 23 at that time!  How on *earth* can someone 2 years older than 21 be eligible for an Under 21s tournament!  Absolutely mental if true

[No666]

"On 6 February 2018, Koeman was appointed manager of the Netherlands national team on a four-and-half-year contract up to and including the 2022 FIFA World Cup. [...]
On 19 August 2020, Koeman left the national team to become manager of Barcelona."

Hypocrite, much?

[RedG13]

He will be 23 at that time!  How on *earth* can someone 2 years older than 21 be eligible for an Under 21s tournament!  Absolutely mental if true

Because it about turning 21 before the start of 2023 year not being 21 at the time, it so you play in qualifiers and the tournament then

[emitime]

He will be 23 at that time!  How on *earth* can someone 2 years older than 21 be eligible for an Under 21s tournament!  Absolutely mental if true

Milner played in the u21 Euros when he was 23. Which seemed weirdly on-brand for him even at the time, really started the old man shtick early.

[Scottymuser]

Because it about turning 21 before the start of 2023 year not being 21 at the time, it so you play in qualifiers and the tournament then

Ok - it is still absolutely stupid!  Especially as by the age of 23, 95% of players who are destined for the top should be better than starting piddling U21 games.  If the idea is that they should be able to play all the games - then make it genuinely under the age of 21 at the start of qualifying (or even better under 20) - qualifying matches have barely started and players are already 21! 

[Oldmanmick]

I wonder did these clowns say anything when he was picking out splinters from his arse sitting on the bench of Bayern Munich?

I'm sure if Jurgen turns him into a world class player they'll be quite happy to have him in the national team.

[Rosario]

I don’t know I guys I think the Dutchies might have a point, I’m sure it would be much more beneficial for Ryan to go and learn what it’s like to go and play against some true powerhouses.

You can only really begin to judge a player when they go up against the might of the Moldova and North Macedonia U21’s.

[spider-neil]

I don’t know I guys I think the Dutchies might have a point, I’m sure it would be much more beneficial for Ryan to go and learn what it’s like to go and play against some true powerhouses.

You can only really begin to judge a player when they go up against the might of the Moldova and North Macedonia U21’s.

Pass to the Dutchie on the left hand side.

[Clint Eastwood]

Blue Ron now. 

The Dutch are just absolute bellends towards their players. Virgil and Gakpo have both been torn to shreds by them in the last year. They're talking about a player who left Bayern Munich to get more game time, and has chosen to spend the two weeks getting up to speed with his new club. That's a great mentality if you ask me. Weirdos.

[Mister Flip Flop]

Signing day video.

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The canteen lady asking him his name was brilliant 

[RedG13]

Ok - it is still absolutely stupid!  Especially as by the age of 23, 95% of players who are destined for the top should be better than starting piddling U21 games.  If the idea is that they should be able to play all the games - then make it genuinely under the age of 21 at the start of qualifying (or even better under 20) - qualifying matches have barely started and players are already 21!

Those Euro tournaments are part of being Olympic qualifiers which is u23, I think one of the years is. Most of the england u21 team avg age was like 22.
It just the norm for this.
Gravenberch has played for the senior team 11 times before that where more of his future lays inside of the u21

[Fromola]

I like him already. Fuck international football.

They can complain all they want, but if he's doing well for us then they'll call him up.

[elsewhere]

Eat a dick Koeman. In fact, eat two!

[Fromola]

Ok - it is still absolutely stupid!  Especially as by the age of 23, 95% of players who are destined for the top should be better than starting piddling U21 games.  If the idea is that they should be able to play all the games - then make it genuinely under the age of 21 at the start of qualifying (or even better under 20) - qualifying matches have barely started and players are already 21!

It is stupid. Most players in that under 21 tournament have been playing first team football all season and then get packed off for the summer to play there. Kone then picks up an injury which arguably costs him a big move this summer.

I don't get the point of 'under 21' competitions unless everyone is genuinely UNDER 21 anyway. The last youth age should be under 19s or maybe under 20. Once players turn 21 (or are capped by the senior side) why are they even playing youth football?

[Samie]

Van Basten sticking his beak in now.

Marco van Basten: "Gravenberch refusing the U21 National Team? It's unacceptable. I can understand his reasons, but you just can't do this. It's inappropriate towards Dutch Football, towards the Dutch squad."

Just waiting for the ghost of Rinus Michels, ghost of Johan Cruyff, Ruud Gullit, Johan Neeskens and Frank Rijkaard and my mate Shark to have their say now.

[Chakan]

Hahaha all these dutch twats sticking their nose into it.

Fuck off you fossils. 

[Hazell]

It’s incredible how people can look for a negative in everything.
He’s 21, he’s just moved to a new club after spending over a year getting very few chances, they should be supportive of this - as long term it surely benefits the dutch team.  They can cope for one international break without one player. Talk about an unecessary bitchfest about what is a sensible decision. Making drama for no reason other than to shitstir in the press.

Yeah, he's just joined a few days ago, it makes sense if he wants to acclimatise and get up to speed as soon as possible. Like you say, it's more likely to be beneficial for everyone, including the Dutch.

Good man Ryan.

[mullyred94]

I reckon Kuyt will stick up for him

[Hazell]

Van Basten sticking his beak in now.


Just waiting for the ghost of Rinus Michels, ghost of Johan Cruyff, Ruud Gullit, Johan Neeskens and Frank Rijkaard and my mate Shark to have their say now.

If Sharkman and Sonny Silooy start moaning about it, I'll be very disappointed.