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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7440 on: December 24, 2011, 01:25:05 am »
Oh, sorry, I suppose we should be thankful that Lord Bacon Face didn't demand more than the maximum punishment possible. What would you suggest, deportation?

He would be better to shut the fu*k up, this has set back man untd liverpool relations 20years.
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7441 on: December 24, 2011, 01:25:14 am »
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Mr. Ferguson has broken his silence on the Luis Suárez affair, describing the Liverpool striker's eight-match ban for racially abusing Patrice Evra as "the right decision" and indicating that the Anfield club should accept the guilty verdict.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7442 on: December 24, 2011, 01:25:59 am »
the post count gives them away....bear in mind the fiasco with gillette and hicks and the battles going on with the court cases etc....i ask yer...if they were proper reds,they would have been in there clocking up the post count wouldnt they...where were they then?...
all the posters going against the grain here seem to be below the 1000 mark says it all
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7443 on: December 24, 2011, 01:30:03 am »
Lead letter in the Morning Star.

23 December 2011 Printable  Email I read Greg Leedham's article on the Luis Suarez controversy (M Star December 21) and was struck by just how kneejerk it was.

Liverpool FC and its supporters are not condoning racism by so openly supporting Suarez, they are attempting to put right a miscarriage of justice. They believe that he has been wrongly branded as racist. What should they do - accept it or fight it?

I would have thought that the Morning Star would fight the cause of the victim not the institution which seeks to brand an innocent man of a "crime" he claims he did not commit.

As a socialist I am vehemently against any racist behaviour. However I also believe in justice. To me and millions of Liverpool supporters, Suarez deserves justice not demonising.

Why doesn't Leedham condemn Evra for his disgusting comment regarding Suarez's south American birth, or is that OK? The Morning Star would do well to add some balance, not just condemn and jump on the media bandwagon.

Perhaps we need to get our message across that we are defending an innocent man and not condoning racisim?

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7444 on: December 24, 2011, 01:33:26 am »
Lead letter in the Morning Star.

23 December 2011 Printable  Email I read Greg Leedham's article on the Luis Suarez controversy (M Star December 21) and was struck by just how kneejerk it was.

Liverpool FC and its supporters are not condoning racism by so openly supporting Suarez, they are attempting to put right a miscarriage of justice. They believe that he has been wrongly branded as racist. What should they do - accept it or fight it?

I would have thought that the Morning Star would fight the cause of the victim not the institution which seeks to brand an innocent man of a "crime" he claims he did not commit.

As a socialist I am vehemently against any racist behaviour. However I also believe in justice. To me and millions of Liverpool supporters, Suarez deserves justice not demonising.

Why doesn't Leedham condemn Evra for his disgusting comment regarding Suarez's south American birth, or is that OK? The Morning Star would do well to add some balance, not just condemn and jump on the media bandwagon.

Perhaps we need to get our message across that we are defending an innocent man and not condoning racisim?
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7445 on: December 24, 2011, 01:35:31 am »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/23/alex-ferguson-luis-suarez-ban

Whiskey nose gets his two cents in.

Why not? He's the gimp that kicked this all off four months ago.

Entirely predictable.

I like this bit "Alex Ferguson finally broke his silence"

He's done fucking nothing but :D

NOW can people see through the media and what a shower of shithouses they are? This whole thing has been orchestrated from start to finish and obviously so.

Oh. And are there really any dickheads on here still reading the Guardian? Seriously? Look at the shite they've come out with in the past few weeks. Time to ditch these arseholes. I'd expect what we got off the Star and the Mirror but the Guardian have some serious Ferguson Lapdogs kissing his bum and doing his bidding.
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7446 on: December 24, 2011, 01:36:38 am »
You too my man, hope you have a brilliant break.

I get the feeling Ferguson wants the confrontation earlier - Kenny established is a more tricky prospect. We've seen journos try and get a foothold with Kenny over this but Kenny being Kenny, he's been immaculate. There's an inevitability about it all, and while it's horrendous, in a way it brings out the best in both Suarez and the club he represents. It's a lightning rod in the right hands.
Had that feeling too mate.Think the soft c*nt tried calling him out when he had a go at Kelly,but failed miserably

Plus,he didnt just come out with racism.It was diving from both Charlie Adam and Luis n all.Throw enough shit eh
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7447 on: December 24, 2011, 01:42:52 am »
Can anyone tell me why he (Sir Beetroot Mush of the slapped arsed faced nature) and Rio wern't charged with bringing the game into disrepute for calling Luis n Charlie divers?
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7448 on: December 24, 2011, 02:02:59 am »
Can anyone tell me why he (Sir Beetroot Mush of the slapped arsed faced nature) and Rio wern't charged with bringing the game into disrepute for calling Luis n Charlie divers?
Ask the FA. I'm sure they'll give you Mr Fergusons opinion.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7449 on: December 24, 2011, 02:33:44 am »
As the vote for Luis thread is locked, I just thought I'd stick it on here that Goals on Sunday has recognised the vote from the other night for Player of the Year.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7450 on: December 24, 2011, 02:34:49 am »
Perhaps we need to get our message across that we are defending an innocent man and not condoning racisim?

What about Liverpool supporters raising 40,000 pounds (the same amount Suarez was fined) for a anti racism cause?

Id donate 10 pounds, Im getting a little sick of getting this feeling by some that I may or may not be a racist for supporting Suarez on this.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7451 on: December 24, 2011, 03:08:45 am »
FA Must Publish Evidence in Luis Suarez-Patrice Evra Case to End Speculation

The racism case against Luis Suarez was tried and decided, in secret, by an independent regulatory commission of the FA tasked with weighing the evidence and testimony of the parties. The panel found the Liverpool star guilty of violating its rules, but has yet to publish its report on the case. Further delay in releasing its findings prevents the full resolution of the case.

Never before has the FA dealt with a case involving cultural nuances and one man's word against another's. The closest case it can use as a precedent is that of former Reading defender John Mackie. In 2003, he was banned eight games after he admitted to racially abusing Sheffield United's Carl Asaba when the two met in a 2002 game. Mackie admitted guilt and received the eight-game ban. It was reduced to three, with the other five suspended, after he appealed the decision.

Mackie's case was different from the Suarez situation because Mackie used an English-language racial slur, the "N-word." It has been widely reported (but not confirmed) that Suarez used a Spanish word, "negrito," which the Uruguayan claims is no insult in his country. It can often be used as a neutral or affectionate term in a country where some believe the color lines are less defined than they are in Western Europe and the United States. He claims he meant no malicious intent when he allegedly said the word to Evra. It was reported that Suarez admitted to using the word "negrito" to the commission, but tried to explain how he meant no harm by it.

The contradiction calls into question the severity of the punishment the commission leveled against Suarez. How, in a clear case like Mackie's, can the FA ban a player for eight games, and give the same punishment to a more nuanced case? The FA must publish the evidence to answer this question.

Evra cannot duck responsibility for his role in the entire affair. He reportedly started the altercation with a Spanish-language epithet of his own, "sudaco." It's a derogatory phrase Europeans use to refer to someone from South America. This phrase is a clear violation of FA rule E3(1), which prohibits abusive words. Evra's words also include an "aggravating factor" of the reference to Suarez's nationality.

The next section of the rule states that the aggravating factor warrants "a sanction that is double that which the Regulatory Commission would have applied had the aggravating factor not been present." According to the Liverpool statement, Evra admitted making the abusive remarks to Suarez in Spanish, but the Liverpool striker did not hear the insult.

The FA handed Suarez a lengthy ban for violating E3(1), which is the same rule Evra admitted to breaking and includes an aggravating factor contained in E3(2). How does the FA plan to punish Evra for his admitted violation of its rules? Will Evra receive any punishment at all?

The commission took six days to hear the case and deliver a verdict against Suarez. Certainly, the FA should not take as long to submit a written report on its decision. Suarez and Liverpool have 14 days from the time they receive the report to decide on a next course of action. Until that happens, the world can only wait and speculate as to who said what to whom, and when it was said.

http://www.nesn.com/2011/12/fa-must-publish-evidence-in-luis-suarez-patrice-evra-case-to-end-speculation.html
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7452 on: December 24, 2011, 03:12:31 am »
Wow, that NESN writer has changed his tune, Henry must've had a casual word.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7453 on: December 24, 2011, 03:25:13 am »
Can anyone tell me why he (Sir Beetroot Mush of the slapped arsed faced nature) and Rio wern't charged with bringing the game into disrepute for calling Luis n Charlie divers?

Cos they are from the World's Greatest Club and Sir the the World's Greatest Manager....  The FA is just a department of that club....

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7454 on: December 24, 2011, 03:32:58 am »
As the vote for Luis thread is locked, I just thought I'd stick it on here that Goals on Sunday has recognised the vote from the other night for Player of the Year.

http://www.skysports.com/tv_show/story/0,20144,12384_7393506_12384,00.html
ha ha - thats funny - just like Suarez and Evra, different rules for the mancs.  I presume fergie got that time added

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7455 on: December 24, 2011, 03:45:53 am »
Does anyone know if a rumour about the Mirror being banned from Anfield is true or not?  I hope it is.
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7456 on: December 24, 2011, 03:47:49 am »
You know, something pretty important has just occurred to me and since I might have missed the odd post, I apologise in advance if I'm not the first to think this but...

It appears that the decision against Suarez was made on the grounds that cultural and linguistic differences are no excuse for using the word that he did (whatever that word may be). However, if it's true that Evra hurled the first insult on English soil IN SPANISH then didn't he, by definition, make it a cultural and linguistic matter?
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7457 on: December 24, 2011, 03:51:48 am »
Does anyone know if a rumour about the Mirror being banned from Anfield is true or not?  I hope it is.

Where did you hear that? I'd be made up if it's true too, along with every other rag that's printed shite about us/Luis.
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7458 on: December 24, 2011, 03:53:35 am »
Does anyone know if a rumour about the Mirror being banned from Anfield is true or not?  I hope it is.

I heard that earlier on today on Twitter and asked the same thing. Still not had any confirmation.
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« Reply #7459 on: December 24, 2011, 03:53:54 am »
Where did you hear that? I'd be made up if it's true too, along with every other rag that's printed shite about us/Luis.

It was on Newsnow, but wasn't from the best of sites and haven't seen it anywhere else.
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7460 on: December 24, 2011, 03:59:23 am »
They fucking better had be (mirror). Fed up of us talking big and acting small. I want to see some writs going out suing some c*nts. Daily Fail should be banned too due to c*nt Des Kellys attack on Dalglish today.

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« Reply #7461 on: December 24, 2011, 04:20:03 am »
Does anyone know if a rumour about the Mirror being banned from Anfield is true or not?  I hope it is.

Andy Heaton mentioned something along those lines on The Anfield Wrap, and pointed to Maddock distancing himself (and criticising) the headline on the back page. He mentioned another paper too but can't remember which one.
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7462 on: December 24, 2011, 04:23:01 am »
Does anyone know if a rumour about the Mirror being banned from Anfield is true or not?  I hope it is.
If the Mirror hasnt received a letter already from Liverpool and/or Suarez's lawyers already I will be amazed.  it is asclear a case of defamation as you could ever see.

PS. As LFC fans we should be standing firm behind Luis Suarez. This is all about an FA agenda, end of. We should stand sqaure behind ouir  player and NEVER accept that we are supporting racism in so doing.

Luis Suarea is not a racist so anybody who is consideing whether or not he, or the club deserves our support is way off the mark.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7463 on: December 24, 2011, 04:31:48 am »
I think The Guardian should be on warning, too. Their coverage has been pretty disgraceful and lop-sided for an apparently liberal paper.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7464 on: December 24, 2011, 04:35:16 am »
FA Must Publish Evidence in Luis Suarez-Patrice Evra Case to End Speculation
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7465 on: December 24, 2011, 05:57:38 am »
"The media is the most powerful entity on Earth. They can make the innocent guilty and the guilty innocent" - Malcolm X.

 Very apt.


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« Reply #7466 on: December 24, 2011, 05:59:17 am »
For fucks sake Alex Ferguson had nothing to do with an FA panel finding Suarez guilty. Those in this thread who are blaming it on some sort of conspiracy masterminded by ferguson are just making themselves  look like idiots.

he started it and he was the one who encouraged evra to lodge an official complaint, he is a c*nt.
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7467 on: December 24, 2011, 06:11:39 am »
he started it and he was the one who encouraged evra to lodge an official complaint, he is a c*nt.

I don't really have a problem with Evra making a complaint if he believed he was being racially abused. Any player should report it. The problem is with more or less everything that happened after that. The way the investigation dragged on, the severity of the punishment and the failure to publish the findings of the report when the punishment was handed out, allowing a cloud to hang over Suarez and the club in the meantime. I wasn't aware that this wait for the report has happened before until i read fergusons comment about the Evra case at Stamford Bridge.

There also needs to be action taken against some elements of the press, PARTICULARLY The Mirror.

I don't buy the conspiracy theories with regard to the mancs/the fa. The FA are just inept and have left supporters of most clubs feeling agreived at one time or another.

As i've said previously if cultural difference explain why Luis felt it wasn't racist abuse they also could easily explain why Evra felt it was.

The whole thing has got completely out of hand due to the FA's ineptitude.
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« Reply #7468 on: December 24, 2011, 07:23:22 am »
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Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish calls for FA to act over fans' abuse of Luis Suarez

 Kenny Dalglish has called on the FA to protect Luis Suarez from the "antagonism" of opposing supporters. Wigan fans booed Suárez on Wednesday, the day after the striker was banned for eight matches for calling Patrice Evra "negro" during Liverpool's game with Manchester United at Anfield on Oct 15.

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Liverpool also noted the chants about the Uruguayan sung by Manchester United supporters at Fulham on the same night this week. "I think where they [the FA] have to be more supportive is the reaction from people – and the antagonism of the crowds – towards Luis,'' said Dalglish. "That is the great problem."
 

In the wake of the case, Dalglish asked the FA to publish "guidelines" on what words are unacceptable in football. In his unsuccessful defence, Suárez cited "cultural differences", arguing that it was a descriptive, not racial epithet. "It would be helpful to everyone if someone gave us some guidelines about what you can and cannot say,'' said Dalglish. It is safe to assume that "negro", regardless of its usage in Latin America, would be on any list of proscribed words in England.
 

The whole sorry saga has been made more problematical by the commission's delay in publishing its reasonings, which Dalglish accidentally called "the written retort" yesterday. The presence of a verdict but no explanation has created a cauldron of uncertainty, bubbling with poisonous conspiracy theories and bile from sections of two great clubs' extensive supports.
 

If the racially abused Evra must always be remembered as the one who has suffered most, damage has also been inflicted on the relationship between United and Liverpool. Both clubs had been working hard behind the scenes to improve relations, including a possible joint overseas venture, but the Suárez-Evra maelstrom has set back that rapprochement.
 

A tense situation has deteriorated even further since the FA pronounced Suárez guilty on Tuesday evening. For all his inevitable desire to back his player, Dalglish erred in wearing that T-shirt supporting Suárez. As manager, Dalglish should have left such acts to the players. His words alone were eloquent enough backing for the man in the No 7 shirt he once graced.
 
"It's never a disappointment when your team-mates and people you work for give you their undivided support,'' said Dalglish. "For me, that's the least he deserves. Luis was quite emotional, very grateful. He is a very strong character. Obviously he would be better off without it, but he is a strong enough character. He has handled it very well up to now so I wouldn't expect him to show anything other than total strength.
 
''If Luis is fit and well, he will be considered for the matches until such time that he is under sanction.'' Suárez loves playing, feeling frustrated when rested.
 
In supporting Suárez in the immediate aftermath of the verdict, Liverpool issued a strong statement, accusing the commission of pre-judging him and attacking Evra's integrity. Dalglish defended the wording. "The statement couldn't have caused anybody any trouble,'' he insisted. United were hardly impressed.
 
Clearly, the commission made a major mistake in not releasing the verdict and "written reasons" simultaneously, leaving Dalglish and many others bemused. "In another walk of life, they would have waited [to announce the outcome] until they had it [reasons] ready. It might be weeks."
 
Dalglish was keen to strike a conciliatory tone, almost calling for calm amid the frenzied polemicising. "If everybody waited until the statement is written and shown on the FA website, you will have a better idea of why they came to their reasoning,'' he argued.
 
In the search for enlightenment, the "written reasons" will be pored over as if they were the Rosetta Stone. People will want to know how the tariff of eight games was reached. They will want to know if a precedent has been set which could apply to John Terry, the England captain, if he is charged by the FA with racially abusing Anton Ferdinand. Will the commission provide a lexicon of acceptable and unacceptable words?
 
So many questions need answering. Is the delay designed to ensure that when Liverpool appeal (within 14 days of receiving the written reasons), Suárez's ban takes in Old Trafford on Feb 11? Is there any legitimacy to Liverpool's hope that any of Evra's comments come under FA scrutiny? Did the commission note that Suárez's grandfather was black?
 
From the Boston base of the club's owners to the Kop, Dalglish enjoys incredible backing. For those arguing he is too powerful, that the club miss the steadying presence of an executive like Peter Robinson in the past, it needs mentioning that Dalglish is aware of his responsibilities to Liverpool's image. He just wants to support a popular player who he feels has suffered an injustice.
 
Yet the fact remains that Suárez has been found guilty of racially abusing Evra. The fact also remains that the tribalism tainting relations between Liverpool and United, and Anfield's long-standing scepticism towards the FA, has turned the manageable blaze of a disciplinary case into a towering inferno.
 
Like Mr. Ferguson, Dalglish cares about the game but, again like Ferguson, he will fight his club's corner. Liverpool's manager wants people to see that the FA could have agendas and he will be following any Terry developments with interest. He has already publicly noted that the FA has undermined its own disciplinary system by challenging Uefa's, successfully so in reducing Wayne Rooney's three-match ban for violent conduct.
 
Another United player. Paranoia permeates the heated air in the debating chamber deliberating on Suárez v Evra. Rancour deepens between England's greatest two clubs. Sadly, like a broken sewer, this story will drip and drip, run and run, threatening to contaminate the season, spreading ill-will to all men.

Didn't see it posted. The (second) bit in bold is interesting to me. I think it's necessary, but that seems like a huge step.
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7469 on: December 24, 2011, 07:31:04 am »
Didn't see it posted. The (second) bit in bold is interesting to me. I think it's necessary, but that seems like a huge step.

If I were to go to the next Manure game hell would break loose. This whole FUBAR situation has made me, from not liking, to despise mancs.

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« Reply #7470 on: December 24, 2011, 07:31:28 am »
I don't really have a problem with Evra making a complaint if he believed he was being racially abused. Any player should report it.

Evra is a paranoid racist-sensitive wreck. He's a ticking time bomb of perceived insult. Read Ian Herbert's fawning apologist shite in today's Independent to see why. He perceives offence where none exists. He carries with him a snarling, venemous shield of road rage wherever he goes. Luis has become the victim of this. Time may tell us whether the victimisation of Luis was a typical naturally instinctive piece of Evra venom or a pre-conceived deliberate targetting in tandem with his odious mentor.

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« Reply #7471 on: December 24, 2011, 07:33:33 am »
Evra is a paranoid racist-sensitive wreck. He's a ticking time bomb of perceived insult. Read Ian Herbert's fawning apologist shite in today's Independent to see why. He perceives offence where none exists. He carries with him a snarling, venemous shield of road rage wherever he goes. Luis has become the victim of this. Time may tell us whether the victimisation of Luis was a typical naturally instinctive piece of Evra venom or a pre-conceived deliberate targetting in tandem with his odious mentor.

Careful therer mate. Suarez DID say something that COULD cause offence. It wasn't a false accusation.
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« Reply #7472 on: December 24, 2011, 07:39:03 am »

So much has been said it is difficult to recall when, where, whether or not hearsay and by whom.

However, I am sure I read that Suarez whilst home on international duty divulged to the Uruguyan media that he had used the term 'porque negro' or 'porque negrito' to back up his claim of innocence - the said words manifestly carrying no racist overtones in the eyes of Uruguyans albeit perhaps said in response to Evra's aggression with an element of defiance.

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« Reply #7473 on: December 24, 2011, 07:41:58 am »
Evra is a paranoid racist-sensitive wreck. He's a ticking time bomb of perceived insult. Read Ian Herbert's fawning apologist shite in today's Independent to see why. He perceives offence where none exists. He carries with him a snarling, venemous shield of road rage wherever he goes. Luis has become the victim of this. Time may tell us whether the victimisation of Luis was a typical naturally instinctive piece of Evra venom or a pre-conceived deliberate targetting in tandem with his odious mentor.

This.

Evra is obviously paranoid of his own skin colour!
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« Reply #7474 on: December 24, 2011, 07:42:19 am »
Careful therer mate. Suarez DID say something that COULD cause offence. It wasn't a false accusation.

I don't buy it. I was there, gaping open mouthed at what was an absurd display of injury feigning, pique and agression from Evra prior to any verbal spat. The man's a fucking menace.

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« Reply #7475 on: December 24, 2011, 07:45:19 am »
 :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao That Picture of Terry is the Mail taking the piss hahaha thats one of the funniest things ive ever seen, how fucking hypocritical bet even Terry feels embarressed by it.
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7476 on: December 24, 2011, 07:55:35 am »
I wish there was a place I could truly discuss this as I'm really bent about how our player has been abused already.  I don't believe Suarez abused Evra, I think Evra can barely play at any level worth starting right now, and I'm having it out with manc 'friends' who, across oceans think the mere mention of skin color is racism, and they have no idea what the word means elsewhere.

I'm losing it.  Well done, Evra.  You were never abused in the first place.  What a mess this is.  I can't discuss this rationally at this point.  Too angry.

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« Reply #7477 on: December 24, 2011, 07:59:55 am »
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In the wake of the case, Dalglish asked the FA to publish "guidelines" on what words are unacceptable in football. In his unsuccessful defence, Suárez cited "cultural differences", arguing that it was a descriptive, not racial epithet. "It would be helpful to everyone if someone gave us some guidelines about what you can and cannot say,'' said Dalglish. It is safe to assume that "negro", regardless of its usage in Latin America, would be on any list of proscribed words in England.

you'd think that a journalist would know the difference between an english noun and a spanish adjective (even if it can also be used as a noun).  will the spanish words for 'brown', 'yellow' and 'white' be proscribed too?

this wilful and selective linguistic ignorance is what is annoying me more than anything about the media reporting of this whole travesty.  it's in the same category as blindly translating evra's alleged comments into the  nonsensical "south american" rather than the hate-filled idiomatic expression it allegedly actually was, but leaving those evil letters n-e-g-r at the start of any mention of suarez's comments.  translate them both idiomatically, and there is only one transgressor, and he's not from uruguay. 

but those letters n-e-g-r that are clearly the spanish language's shame simply cannot hide...  damn that latin etymology.  it's all the romans' fault...
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« Reply #7478 on: December 24, 2011, 08:10:42 am »
Reports in the Uruguay papers said that Suarez said he used a word for Evra that Evra's own team mates use.

That is a remarkable claim in many ways.  How would Suarez know, for a start.  But, if true, would seem to be a complete defence.

Perhaps this (if true) alludes to the word 'negrito' being used. Suarez may assume that the South Americans at Man U - both players there now, like Hernandez who has used the word in public already (see his twitter) or past players, like Tevez who was supposedly good friends with Evra - use the word in training, when they're together... etc.

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« Reply #7479 on: December 24, 2011, 08:19:45 am »
When we appeal, hope we do a compilation of Evra's antics during the match starting with the coin toss. It will be a strong evidence on the mental state of the accuser.