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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #120 on: October 30, 2005, 08:39:49 pm »
Boys Pen - superb memories from this thread.

Started in around 1969 and was on a milk crate at the front of the Paddock by the corner of the Kop. Definitely did the Pen a few times and while I'd agree there was a definite "atmosphere" I seemed to have escaped which for someone with red hair, on his own and from Birkenhead seems to have been a major result.

Was totally in awe of the lads climbing out and swinging like monkeys across the roof (didn't anyone ever fall?).

You couldn't make anyone believe what it was like now - they'd say you were making it up.
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #121 on: October 30, 2005, 08:44:12 pm »
Yeah, nice little thread here.  Great memories being brought back.

Unfortunately now, the boys' pen has taken over Anfield.  Kids are fucking everywhere these days.  And they are not in the same mould as they were back then either.  Now, they sulk, sleep and nag, clutching on to their Big Mac with their chubby little fingers, facing the arse end of The Kop over their Dad's shoulder. 

There should be some form of age limit.  13 quid down the swanny if you ask me.

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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #122 on: October 30, 2005, 08:58:36 pm »
Garstonite, agreed to a point - there are kids brought up proper by some of us who are taken to the game.

Firstly a good walk to the ground from the Derry Club (I'm Catholic but it's a cheap and secure parking place so shhh) - pointing out Anfield the area and where the Club came from.

Then the Granton for a pint (probably the closest you now get to the old Kop for being jostled and pushed), Juicy Fruit chewwy for the match and stroking a police horse for good luck and then actually watching the game with my son. Supporting but trying to understand the game and what the team are trying to achieve.

He's now 14 but has been going on and off since he was 5 - it's like everything in life - if you teach properly the passion and knowledge will follow.

Separate note - what was the capacity of the Boys' Pen - 200?
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #123 on: October 30, 2005, 09:13:12 pm »
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You couldn't make anyone believe what it was like now - they'd say you were making it up.

I find that with most of my reminiscences, especially the ones about getting pissed. My kid's generation get this holier-than-thou look on their face when you mention your old piss-ups, and if there was any driving involved .......................  . I suppose it was all very irresponsible, but having made it through I can't say I honestly regret it.
To me the Pen was an important rite of passage. Bullying and victimisation isn't something only kids have to put up with, regardless of all the PC shit you read today. It goes on through life and it's an unfortunate part of human nature (read Lord of the Flies). Experiencing it as a kid teaches you how to cope with it or avoid it. If you survived three seasons in the Pen, as I did, you had nothing to learn about how to look after yourself. I laugh at all this talk about "street proofing" your kids, coming from folks who won't even let their children walk to school on their own. Kids learn street proofing on the street, and the Boys Pen was a crash course.
But I'd better shut up before Rushian shunts this thread over to the boozer. This has been a great thread, full of laughs, and only now do I realize how similar Pen experiences were. Why aren't we hearing from all the louts who used to perpetrate the violence? Come on, boys, let's hear some true confessions.
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #124 on: October 30, 2005, 09:15:45 pm »
Kids eh?  There were toddlers stood on the seats a couple of rows in front of me at the recent Chelsea game and everyone in the vicinity had to put up with mam and dad pampering them throughout the entire game. I'm with you smoth, teach them a little history on the way, a few boys pen tales usually make my lad turn pale!  He knows the score all right though and sings along with all the old tunes, if he didn't watch the game or I thought he didn't want to be there I'd stop taking him, simple as. Day-trippers have changed the face of the Kop forever, its a fucking sight-seeing trip for lots of people and the match is almost an inconvenience for them.
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #125 on: October 30, 2005, 09:27:16 pm »
Barrowboy - we reap what we sow don't we?

Got a good crew near me on the Lower Centenary - two top mates, a good spread of older blokes, a couple of voices that sound like the crowd bubbles from Billy the Fish ("Wow - what a great shot from the Norwegian stopper" etc), a lad with special needs and his Mum and Dad and just far enough away a couple of nutters who abuse for England.

In lots of ways the perfect spread of true fans I think - not a jester hat in sight.

The Boys Pen is a superb memory for me and as has been said above a different lifetime to our current kids - not better, not worse just different. But isn't that life generally?
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #126 on: October 30, 2005, 09:52:52 pm »
Smoth,  2 or 3 seasons in the pen was like national service in the 70s.  :wave

Not sure I'd put my lad in there nowadays though  :-\

Thing is, after a couple of seasons in the pen you really appreciated standing on the Kop proper. I don't think most kids these days do.
 
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #127 on: October 30, 2005, 10:06:02 pm »
B,

Agreed - it was of its time.

And a time that has gone. On reflection better it has gone but as it was of its time something to be remembered like most things past, with affection.
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #128 on: November 17, 2005, 02:03:29 pm »
As Liverpool prepare to welcome Portsmouth to Anfield on Saturday, Pompey legend Mickey Quinn tells us about his lifelong love for the men from Anfield.

During the course of my career as a professional footballer I played for six different clubs but there is no doubt that Liverpool is MY team.

I'll always have a special affinity with Wigan, Stockport, Oldham, Portsmouth, Newcastle and Coventry but being a Liverpudlian is in my blood. It's something that has never and will never leave me.

As a kid growing up in the Liverpool suburb of Cantril Farm there was a fairly even split of Reds and Blues but I followed the Red path because of my dad. He'd supported Liverpool all his life and so I just carried on the tradition, although two of my brothers and an uncle supported Everton.

I remember being a fan since I was about three or four. I can't remember the first game I attended but it was during the Toshack/Keegan era. I started off in the boys pen then progressed to the Kop. I think it used to be about 50 pence then to get in and I'd go with a couple of my mates.

It was a bit minty to be honest and because it was tucked away in the corner of the Kop the view wasn't that good either. We were like caged animals wanting to escape into the actual Kop itself. In them days there was always a great sense of humour on the Kop, there really was. They gave a bit of stick out but it was humorous rather than vindictive.

Quinn on Kop King Keegan

Of all the players I watched as kid I'd say KK inspired me to pursue a career in football more than anyone else to be honest. When he was at his peak for Liverpool I was at that impressionable age and like a lot of other kids I wanted to be Kevin Keegan when I was playing football in the street. He was one of my idols and it's funny how our paths have crossed later in life, with him being a former manager of mine and through the horse racing.

The best game I ever saw as a fan was the St Etienne one in 1977. That stands out for me. It was such an exciting night but the most vivid memory I have of that night is the smell of piss as it ran down the back of my leg in the Kop! It was so jam-packed and the Kop was nearly always like that in them days. It was frightening at times, especially when I was a kid. When the crowd used to sway forward my bottle would go in case I got trapped against a barrier.

My heroes back then were John Toshack and Kevin Keegan, then later Kenny Dalglish. Tosh and Kev were a great partnership. John used to hold the ball up, flick it on and Kevin would run in to score.

Of all the players I watched as kid I'd say KK inspired me to pursue a career in football more than anyone else to be honest. When he was at his peak for Liverpool I was at that impressionable age and like a lot of other kids I wanted to be Kevin Keegan when I was playing football in the street. He was one of my idols and it's funny how our paths have crossed later in life, with him being a former manager of mine and through the horse racing.

As a kid my only dream was to one day pull on the red shirt like him. It was every kids dream to play for the club they supported but it was just my luck that I followed Liverpool. They were the best team in the country at the time so breaking into that side would have been almost impossible. I was invited down to Melwood for trials about four or five times, but there was that many kids there you'd only get about twenty minutes to shine and I slipped through the net. It was only after I signed apprentice forms with Derby County that there was a steward's inquiry at Anfield about how a local lad had got away.

That's life though and I got on with my career. In later years I was fortunate enough to play against Liverpool on many occasions. It was a bit weird really but at the end of the day I was a professional footballer and I had to do my best to score goals against them.

I can vaguely recall Portmouth's visit to Anfield in 1987. Pompey had just returned to the top-flight after a long absence but Liverpool were on a super run and we just didn't get near them. We were chasing shadows for 90 minutes. If I remember rightly, the return at Fratton Park was a lot tighter but Liverpool got the first goal then basically just knocked the ball about before getting another.


Quinn on playing against the Reds
I can vaguely recall Portmouth's visit to Anfield in 1987. Pompey had just returned to the top-flight after a long absence but Liverpool were on a super run and we just didn't get near them. We were chasing shadows for 90 minutes. If I remember rightly, the return at Fratton Park was a lot tighter but Liverpool got the first goal then basically just knocked the ball about before getting another.

Although we got relegated that season I really did enjoy that time and I learned so much, especially playing against the likes of Liverpool because they were different class at the time.

Thinking about it, I was never very lucky when I played at Anfield but I remember when I was a Coventry player I did a bit of damage to them at Highfield Road in a game we won 5-1.

I could have had four or five that game. We really did batter them. Graeme Souness was manager at the time and we walked all over them. I remember laughing at something with about four or five minutes to go and our manager Bobby Gould pulled me over to the touch line and said to me 'listen son, you've got to go to Anfield yet,' and how right he was. In the return game we got trounced 4-0!

But let's not dwell on that one. The 5-1 game is one I'll never forget. A lot of my family and friends came to the game that day. I remember going into the players lounge afterwards and they were gob smacked. They wanted me to do well but they never expected Liverpool to be beaten by such an emphatic scoreline.

The Everton supporters in my dad's pub that night couldn't buy me enough drinks but I readdressed the balance by scoring against the Blues and helping Coventry beat them the same season.

As a red-hot Liverpudlian there can be no better feeling than that!

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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #129 on: October 7, 2006, 12:45:02 pm »
Bringing this thread back up.  Some classic tales.... are there anymore to be shared?

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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #130 on: October 7, 2006, 09:14:48 pm »
Was the boys pen top left on the kop? when i went in 88' it was just a piss stop and if you stood behind that exit you were ankle deep in piss
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #131 on: October 7, 2006, 09:54:26 pm »
Was the boys pen top left on the kop? when i went in 88' it was just a piss stop and if you stood behind that exit you were ankle deep in piss
Yes,but it was originally  at the Kemlyn side of the Kop.

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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #132 on: October 7, 2006, 10:58:33 pm »
Ah the boy's pen - only went in there once (and i'm a girl!) it was for the derby in 1976 ( i think) it could have been 1975  - it was a morning kick off cos of the grand national - me and my mate went on the Pen cos we didn't have tickets and you could just pay on the door for the pen - happy days! I remember at some point during the second half they let you out (I kid you not) and you could then go and stand in the Kop proper! 
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #133 on: October 8, 2006, 11:41:46 am »
My memories of the Pen


Those of us of a certain age may have memories of a little section of the ground, which was tucked away in the far right corner of the Kop, known as the Pen! Entry was about a bob(5 pence ) when I first started going which was considerably cheaper than the four bob(20 pence) entrance into the Kop. My first match into the Pen was one cold December in 1965 when a couple of us rode the 81 from Speke to Utting Avenue. For Southenders like myself, this was a trip into unknown territory. I had been to Anfield previously in 1961 when Dad took me to Liverpool v Bristol Rovers and we sat in the old Kemlyn Road wooden stand. For me the boundary between North and South was London Road and we just never ventured into the unknown North. At Christmas time every School kid took an envelope home for the Blind Kids. You would mark on the back a cross on the envelope for each penny that went into the envelope and then took it back to School. On entering the Pen, I noticed two things:

Why were loads of smaller kids standing by the copper ?
Why were two kids going round searching other kids ?

I’ll answer the second one first because after explanation, you will know the answer to the first question.

The Kids in question were ‘encouraging’ other kids to place pennies into the blind envelope. Was this a charitable gesture I thought until they came to me.  I was bricking it, I had to say because me and my mate were no match for these Northenders. I said I had no money and then was pinned against the fence and ‘searched’. Luckily for me, the searching techniques were less than rigorous and I escaped with my bus fare home. Lesson number one was hide your dosh !

The Boys Pen always sang! Two minutes after the Kop! The ninety minutes there was punctuated by escaping Kids going over the fence into the Kop. Some made it and some did not. I can see the copper now pulling the Kids down from the top of the fence and being ‘escorted’ out by the ear. Different times eh? Instant punishment and you wouldn’t grass to your Dad about that. I was thinking at the time why bother ‘escaping’ until you noticed that some of the Kids were always eying up the other Kids rather than watching the match. My God, you learnt how to watch the match with blinkers on because you did not want eye contact. The Copper either was watching the match or pulling Kids down from the fence. The robbing going on was always out of eye contact from the copper. The final whistle went and you were glad to get out in one piece with your bus fare home. On reading the chapter of the boys pen in Alan Edge’s great book  ‘ Faith Of Our Fathers many’ years later I have to say that my experience was not as intimidating but Liverpool was a hard city in the late fifties and going into the Pen with new winkle pickers was just asking for trouble! Oh by the way, we beat Arsenal 4-2 and we were tope of the table.

I started going regular to the Pen after that and Dad would drive us there and take us home because he was a regular in the Annie Road.(at least the bus fare was not needed) It only got better because I was more aware what was going on around me but to be truthful, I hated the place but I got to see the Reds. Sometimes, I would use birthday money to get into the Kop but that was a treat.
My final game was against Celtic in the semis of the Cup Winners Cup in 1966. Anybody who remembers that night will perhaps agree with me that it was one of the noisiest atmospheres ever and I was in the Pen nearly two hours before kick off. What a mistake! Attempted GBH between the local nutters and kids like myself! I said to myself after the game that the days in the Pen were finished. Season 1967/66 was the Kop, Annie Road, Paddock, anywhere but the Pen!

At least the Pen gave young kids like myself an opportunity to go with your mates to the game from say 11 onwards. I learnt a lot about life, survival and ‘pecking order’! Would you wish it on your own kids or grandkids today? I don’t think so!

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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #134 on: October 8, 2006, 06:09:14 pm »
What year did the boy's pen get pulled down?

Some conflicting reports on here.
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