Topic: League Cup: 5 Liverpool v West Ham 1 Dom 27, Jones 55 84, Gakpo 71 Mo 83

[B0151?]

For what? Being angry about our finishing on Sunday?

You a superfan then? See woeful shite like we played up front and still come out waving flags and yaying?

We were shite on Sunday. If you don't understand the point I'm making then fine, but shut up mate - you wank over shite finishing, I'll be annoyed about it - we should have finished the game off Sunday against a terrible, terrible side and we had more than fucking 30 chances to do so - if we were in any way as clinical as we were last night, we could and should have had a hatful and been top of the league.

If we had just managed to get the breakthrough against United like we did last night I think we would have put a few past them. But just wasn't quite sharp enough, we did have a couple give and go situations like Jones first goal but final ball was sloppy, and they grew in confidence with their defending (and us the reverse), gave us very little, unlike West Ham's defending last night in that second half which was pretty abysmal at times

Games against United happen and we all know we're far from a finished article so it didn't really upset me too much to be honest.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

How about you stop dismissively calling people you argue with, 'kid'?  It's really condescending and you can argue points without resorting to that.

Seems deserved to me.

I said "Enjoyed the win" and had a bit of a rant about Sundays pathetic finishing.

He said "If you don't like us winning, stop coming in here and telling us how pissed off you are."


Good result last night, if we'd replicated any of that on Sunday we'd be top of the league.


Sorry for being pissed off about a massive opportunity thrown away.

[tubby]

Sorry for being pissed off about a massive opportunity thrown away.

Moaning about another game after we've just tonked a team 5-1?  You do you, kid.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

If we had just managed to get the breakthrough against United like we did last night I think we would have put a few past them. But just wasn't quite sharp enough, we did have a couple give and go situations like Jones first goal but final ball was sloppy, and they grew in confidence with their defending (and us the reverse), gave us very little, unlike West Ham's defending last night in that second half which was pretty abysmal at times

Games against United happen and we all know we're far from a finished article so it didn't really upset me too much to be honest.

Fair points, but I'd just got back from the game and am always angry when we don't beat the Mancs.

Especially against literally the worst Manc side I've seen us play since probably the 80s.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Moaning about another game after we've just tonked a team 5-1?  You do you, kid.

I'm made up you called me kid. I wish I was one. That would be great, Ted.

One day you're 15, the next day you're drawing your pension.

[Schmidt]

I thought the first half was really frustrating, lots of times we got into a promising situation, only for someone to lamp a shot wide from 30 yards and blow it. Then of course Dom buries one in the bottom corner and we pick them apart from there.

It's no wonder Nunez has been struggling to get shots off the last few matches, every run Gakpo made was ignored for most of the game, then Trent decides to pass instead of shoot and both he and Nunez nearly get a tap in.

Made up for the other scouser in the team, it feels like he's always an average performance away from getting lambasted by some, that game should keep them quiet for a couple of weeks at least.

[robertobaggio37]

Hope that nickname doesn't dog him throughout his career

Fair 

[John C]

Doesn't everyone wish they'd have woke up on Monday morning after the Utd game like they did this morning after that WHU game.
I think Andy is right about the contrast in emotions

That failure to break through Utd did my swede in.

We were a far more stylish and thoroughly capable side last night imo.

[Hestoic]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C1HVnsVtrfp/

The guy in the wheelchair setting off in celebration 

[newterp]

One gripe - There was a sequence in the first half - Nunez has the ball in the box and Kostas is standing to his side - 2 yards away. He doesn't make any move and just watches nunez for 5 seconds. Nunez - lacking confidence - doesn't take on the defender - and then passes the ball away.

It was a weird sequence. I was simultaneously yelling for Nunez to take on the man and for Kostas to do something/anything to create space.

[smicer07]

Having read some of the comments on their forums regarding "victims" and "bin dippers", I'm ecstatic that we absolutely mullered them.

[Hestoic]

One gripe - There was a sequence in the first half - Nunez has the ball in the box and Kostas is standing to his side - 2 yards away. He doesn't make any move and just watches nunez for 5 seconds. Nunez - lacking confidence - doesn't take on the defender - and then passes the ball away.

It was a weird sequence. I was simultaneously yelling for Nunez to take on the man and for Kostas to do something/anything to create space.

Where is this "lacking confidence" thing coming from? He certainly isn't playing like he's lacking confidence.

[redk84]

Fantastic game last night

People say these games are not a primary focus with us witting good in the league but that was the absolute perfect tonic before the weekend's game.

Everyone was deflated after the United game, myself included.....and the style we played, the goals...not to mention who scored them was just what we needed to snap out of a funk we've been in a while. We've not been playing that great and that yesterday was more like it

Looking forward to saturday now, bring them on

Curtis 

[markedasred]

I bet we earned at least £40 last night from those stingy bastards at the Carabao. When you look at the income potential of a Wembley Final (average £40 ticket say, makes over £3.5 million if near capacity, renting it is about 10% of that gross), I can't get my head around them only paying out £150k to the finalists between them. The only way this is acceptable is if the money is fed back in to the lower leagues or grassroots in a transparent way.

[Draex]

Doesn't everyone wish they'd have woke up on Monday morning after the Utd game like they did this morning after that WHU game.
I think Andy is right about the contrast in emotions

That failure to break through Utd did my swede in.

We were a far more stylish and thoroughly capable side last night imo.

Sometimes it's the reaction to not playing well which sparks you into life. A proper buzz came from the West Ham game, you could see the players loosen up, start to enjoy their football, need to keep riding that to the title and some trophies.

[CHOPPER]

Doesn't everyone wish they'd have woke up on Monday morning after the Utd game like they did this morning after that WHU game.
I think Andy is right about the contrast in emotions

That failure to break through Utd did my swede in.

We were a far more stylish and thoroughly capable side last night imo.

Fucking hell John lad, you woke up thinking of Andy.

You need a break mate.

[John C]

Fucking hell John lad, you woke up thinking of Andy.
You need a break mate.

You're just jel.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

You're just jel.

You tell him, hun x

[Slippers]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C1HVnsVtrfp/

The guy in the wheelchair setting off in celebration 

A victory twirl.

[Red Beret]

I bet we earned at least £40 last night from those stingy bastards at the Carabao. When you look at the income potential of a Wembley Final (average £40 ticket say, makes over £3.5 million if near capacity, renting it is about 10% of that gross), I can't get my head around them only paying out £150k to the finalists between them. The only way this is acceptable is if the money is fed back in to the lower leagues or grassroots in a transparent way.

Does my head in too. I don't mind money being invested in the lower leagues, but even the FA Cup prize money is £3m for the winner. £100k for the League Cup winners will barely cover Salah's 90 minutes on the pitch. Little wonder the big clubs aren't arsed with it anymore. Hasn't even increased in line with inflation.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Apologies for moaning as well

Great win last night, loads of stuff going on at the moment and venting about the match is something...


... anyway.


Up the Mighty Reds!

[the_red_pill]

That game has fucking pissed me off in more ways than  I  can even type.

If we could have done 1/10th of that on Sunday we would have won 5-0

Enjoyed the win, but fuck football

Fuck off.

Expressed the same earlier. Where was this performance when we really needed it?
I'll take the win... I'm just still not happy.

Its going to be a long time before I can get over Sunday. The biggest disappointment in a long time so far.
Well done... but just not good enough.

[Always_A_Red]

Thought Elliot was magnificent last night. He was popping up everywhere and the one who was pulling all the strings. What a talent he is!

Made up for Jones too - his 2nd goal was absolutely class!

[Bob in Sydney]

I bet we earned at least £40 last night from those stingy bastards at the Carabao. When you look at the income potential of a Wembley Final (average £40 ticket say, makes over £3.5 million if near capacity, renting it is about 10% of that gross), I can't get my head around them only paying out £150k to the finalists between them. The only way this is acceptable is if the money is fed back in to the lower leagues or grassroots in a transparent way.

That's not quite what the comp is worth to LFC...

See here the way teams are rewarded round by round https://sportsjournal.io/carabao-efl-cup-revenue-distribution/

(note Games at Anfield generate around 3 million pounds and the clubs each get 45% of the each home and away game revenue (FA gets 10%) - see here for more details - https://sqaf.club/premier-league-clubs-matchday-income/)

Each finalist gets 45% of the Wembley final ticket sales revenue. Which approximately is just over £1 million.

So, not quite the FA cup or European comp revenue but it's still worth a few quid, gives our squad chance to get competitive game time and I love it EVERY time we win silverware!

[killer-heels]

We started well but still seemed quite abject in the final third - felt like a hangover from the United game.

We dominated of course but the second half was where we saw some outstanding football.

I think the team for Arsenal picks itself based on availability and performances: Becker, Trent, Konate, VVD, Tsmikias, Curtis, Dominic, Elliot, Mo, Gakpo, Diaz.

I'd have Nunez on at 70 as an impact sub. He might start Endo over Elliot which I'd be fine with.

Id go Alisson, Gomez, Konate, Van Dijk, Tsimikas, Trent, Szoboszlai, Jones, Salah, Nunez, Gakpo.

[tubby]

Id go Alisson, Gomez, Konate, Van Dijk, Tsimikas, Trent, Szoboszlai, Jones, Salah, Nunez, Gakpo.

Agree with that line up.  I'd maybe even go a little crazy and play Salah central with Elliott on the right.

[MD1990]

Really think Gomez should be RB up against Martenelli. He will beat Trent easy 1v1.

The only thing its a huge game to put Trent starting as a #6

[Dim Glas]

Expressed the same earlier. Where was this performance when we really needed it?
I'll take the win... I'm just still not happy.

Its going to be a long time before I can get over Sunday. The biggest disappointment in a long time so far.
Well done... but just not good enough.

Spoilt brat

[1892tillforever]

Expressed the same earlier. Where was this performance when we really needed it?
I'll take the win... I'm just still not happy.

Its going to be a long time before I can get over Sunday. The biggest disappointment in a long time so far.
Well done... but just not good enough.

Beating Arsenal and going top tomorrow would do I would have thought!

Tbf, it was only really when we got the second that our football improved and reach an extremely high level against West Ham. The energy and application were spot on throughout but we still needed a fabulous strike to break the deadlock rather than incisive play.

[DiggerJohn]

Id go Alisson, Gomez, Konate, Van Dijk, Tsimikas, Trent, Szoboszlai, Jones, Salah, Nunez, Gakpo.

Yes I would go for that too

[the_red_pill]

Spoilt brat

Spoilt brat

Perhaps, but I don't see it that way mate.
I rarely complain and you'll see me understand when we're in a difficult period... but something about Sunday's pissed me off like no other in the past few seasons.

Even that 7-2 against Villa wasn't as bad- and I fully understood the 7-2, I had no issues with it. I took my beating and then took my medicine and tended to you lot, but fucking Sunday- there is just something about it that  .

Anyway, its prolly time I moved on.

Beating Arsenal and going top tomorrow would do I would have thought!

Tbf, it was only really when we got the second that our football improved and reach an extremely high level against West Ham. The energy and application were spot on throughout but we still needed a fabulous strike to break the deadlock rather than incisive play.

I'll be elated, but I can't help feeling conflicted over Sunday. If I had hemorrhoids, they'd prolly be agitated whenever I think about it.
Anyway, its a home game, but Arsenal's a bit tricky..

They're basically at full strength with only Partey and Tomiyasu out, so we're going to have to be at our very best. I'm sure the boys will want to put the United fiasco behind them.

I feel Endo will be very important in this game as someone has to marshal Rice.

[TheShanklyGates]

Nobody here thinks that Jarrod Bowen is a good player? I think he's going to do well in future.

Great performance last night from him, personally I feel. His goal is awesome.

If he was 22 or 23 then we should be all over him. Problem is he's already 27 so we'd be paying a fortune for a player who probably isn't going to improve significantly and would be nearing the end of his peak by the end of his first contract.

[Historical Fool]

If he was 22 or 23 then we should be all over him. Problem is he's already 27 so we'd be paying a fortune for a player who probably isn't going to improve significantly and would be nearing the end of his peak by the end of his first contract.

He’s at the end of his peak now to be fair. 27 is statistically close to the end of the peak for attacking midfielders these days unless you’re a big outlier …